The Military ruined this country

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salinen (7,135 posts)

The Military ruined this country


 
Last edited Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:42 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

The American economy is significantly based in the production of war machinery. War machinery has almost no value outside of wartime. Another resource subtracted from the system are young people, who, would otherwise be working at the factory producing washing machines or table saws or clothing if they weren't in Germany providing security over any resurgence in Nazism.

America followed the war weapons industry the way China followed the make everything else industry. Look who won. We are now arguing over whether class sizes should be increased, social security should be decreased, and all because America decided that making tanks and warships and jets were the answer to everything.

At the best engineering schools, military recruiters are snatching up the best and brightest to go design another weapon or drone. These same minds are sequestered and will not improve the competitiveness of America globally or even domestically because what they're producing is worthless.

So let's not pretend that the fiscal cliff has nothing to do with the stolen resources that make up the American Military Industrial Complex. All other theft is minor by comparison. The Military also has the status of being it's own country. It has it's own land, court system, and even hospitals and shopping centers.

In order to coddle the citizens into accepting this type of system that jeopardizes their lives, is through propaganda. Americans have been convinced that without this expansive military, we are doomed to be attacked by our enemies. So, we again can thank the military for creating a populace of paranoid freaks.

So let's continue the arguments over social security, medicare, infrastructure, food stamps, et al. The 800 pounder will continue to be the 800 pounder.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021883730

Yet it is that military that you despise so much that has given you the life style that you take for granted. It is the same military that went over seas and found Bin Laden so your preezy could take the credit for being such a warrior. It is that military that the national guard is part of that shows up after a disaster to bail your sorry asses out. You people are despicable. You would gut the one institution  full of people who will give their lives for you all so you can get more freebies for yourself.

Generic Other (19,863 posts)
1. You are 100% correct

It's sad. And there seems nothing we can do to change this fact. Men without balls quivering in fear. Mostly old men who didn't get their chance on the battlefield.

Recognizing and protecting against danger is not quivering in fear. You idiots would never grab a rifle and defend this country even if they allowed you to unionize and paid you a CEO's salary.

Romulox (21,901 posts)
5. All of a piece. Detroit was sacrificed to the East, for example, for military basing rights...

It's all part of the same plan.

Yeah it isn't the democrats who have run that city for years and the greedy unions that destroyed Detroit, it is the military. 

earthside (4,250 posts)
7. "Thank you for your service."

We hear it constantly ... if you don't think this is part of the military-industrial-lobbyist propaganda effort, then you are sadly mistaken. All part of instilling the notion that to oppose military spending and general submission to the military is tantamount to ingratitude to all those who 'served' ... no matter what they did (eg. the huge military paper-pushing bureaucracy), or who they killed or maimed (eg. nerds in control rooms in Nevada dropping drone bombs on 'collateral damage' half a world away).

Special programs to find jobs for 'veterans' while those with no military 'service' are not accorded the same level of concern. Then there are career military retirees who draw a pension at 55 years old, then go to work for a 'defense' contractor and make thousands and thousands of dollars more each month courtesy of the gullible 'patriotic' middle class taxpayer.

We have created a special class of citizen in this country -- the military participant, who is praised and lauded for their personal choice, is/was paid by the rest of the taxpayers and who, if some are to be heeded, ought to be given more credence and deference on all issues (especially by the Repuglicans and veterans organizations who, I think if they could get their way, would give military personnel two votes each at election time).

It is the simple truth that we spend a trillion dollars a year on the military and military related agencies ... more if you start adding in spending for 'homeland' security. And it is also true that we could very adequately defend the United States, that is the fifty states, for less than half of what we are presently spending on what is in effect our imperial military.

I'm all for going over the 'fiscal cliff' if for the first time it actually means real cuts in the bloated military spending we have witnessed especially since 2001. There is plenty of money for all the needs of genuinely needy veterans of Bush's and Obama's stupid wars in Afghanistan and Iraq if we would just close about half of the imperial outposts (bases) that the country operates overseas -- it is just a matter of priorities (one reason why I do not give anything to 'charitable' veterans organizations).

The OP is more correct than they know, in my opinion -- the military has ruined this country and it will wreck this country once and for all if it isn't reined-in and we get to a much more reasonable and critical attitude towards the military and those who chose to join it.

The veterans earn whatever they get, meanwhile the 0bamaphone people have done nothing and will do nothing to earn their keep and you make them into heroes and then have the nerve to call those who made sacrifices the bad guys. 

[Gina]

Damn.  I can't believe the way they are talking about our military.

[Wineslob]

Damn.  I can't believe the way they are talking about our military.

I do. I want to beat the shit out of every last one of these assholes.

[JohnnyReb]

Yep....all those billions spent and they ain't kilt the first damn DUmmie.









I'm joking of course.

[txradioguy]

Damn.  I can't believe the way they are talking about our military.

They're simply giving voice to what certain politicians and one certain CINC believes.

[txradioguy]

DUmmies allow me to remind you that the total budget spent on the military is curently 4.7% of the GDP.

Welfare and everything it emcompasses is 15-16% and growing.

It's not spending on beans and bullets that's driven us towards a fiscal cliff...it's Section VIII housing food stamps and free cellphones that's doing it.

[formerlurker]

Uh, asshats - the military is reponsible for those satellite systems, GPS, velcro, microwaves, cordless tools, water filtration, canned food preserve systems, the freakin internet and all sorts of stuff that you misfits use everyday.

The one thing the military is directly responsible for that you could not live without:



Major roads/highways were built for military convoys. 

Morons.

[Freeper]

I want this thread to be seen, so I set it as a sticky.

[JohnnyReb]

Uh, asshats - the military is reponsible for those satellite systems, GPS, velcro, microwaves, cordless tools, water filtration, canned food preserve systems, the freakin internet and all sorts of stuff that you misfits use everyday.

The one thing the military is directly responsible for that you could not live without:



Major roads/highways were built for military convoys. 

Morons.

I believe I'm right on this....when the interstate highway system was built, it was required that ever so often along the highway that there was to be a stretch of it(one mile or more?) straight and level enough to make it suitable for the military to use it as an airfield.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

It's so heart-warming to see the members of the Democratic Party who post at DU show their affection for our military.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

I believe I'm right on this....when the interstate highway system was built, it was required that ever so often along the highway that there was to be a stretch of it(one mile or more?) straight and level enough to make it suitable for the military to use it as an airfield.

I'd heard the same thing.  According to snopes, it's not true.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/airstrip.asp

[Carl]

Guess what idiots...you know who loves our military more then anyone?
It is your fantasy dreamland socialist Euroidiots that have survived under our umbrella for almost 70 years now.
They curse us but depend on us to keep their failing ****ing experiment alive. 

[NHSparky]

I believe I'm right on this....when the interstate highway system was built, it was required that ever so often along the highway that there was to be a stretch of it(one mile or more?) straight and level enough to make it suitable for the military to use it as an airfield.

Nope--urban legend, but a nice thought.  Trying doing that with I-70 between Glenwood Springs and Denver and you'll know what I mean.

But the point remains; some of the things developed by DARPA, et al, have found their way into civilian applications and provided untold benefit to our quality of life in virtually every way imaginable.

Think about trauma centers, etc., and how much they've advanced in the last 50 years.  The Internet.  Communications.  Vehicle durability.  Nuclear power.  The list goes on...

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

"Stolen resources"?

How many bleeding civilians go untreated for every bandage in my aid bag?

How about when Clinton had the military running around playing international Meals-on-Wheels?


BTW -- you ****ing chest-thumping hypocrites sure loved the military enough when Obama was still campaigning and needed his Bin Laden merit badge for the cameras.

[thundley4]

Isn't the US military the first responders to natural disasters all over the world?

[dandi]

But they respect and care for our veterans! It must be true because I've read it there many times.




This is just more childish envy on their part, that the people who sacrifice the most on behalf of this country might enjoy more benefits than they do.

**** you sideways, DUmbasses.

[AprilRazz]

Nope--urban legend, but a nice thought.  Trying doing that with I-70 between Glenwood Springs and Denver and you'll know what I mean.

But the point remains; some of the things developed by DARPA, et al, have found their way into civilian applications and provided untold benefit to our quality of life in virtually every way imaginable.

Think about trauma centers, etc., and how much they've advanced in the last 50 years.  The Internet.  Communications.  Vehicle durability.  Nuclear power.  The list goes on...

I have lost count of medical advances made by the military. The plastic surgery that the uberlib Hollywood types love came from the military.

[marv]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021883730

Yet it is that military that you despise so much that has given you the life style that you take for granted. It is the same military that went over seas and found Bin Laden so your preezy could take the credit for being such a warrior. It is that military that the national guard is part of that shows up after a disaster to bail your sorry asses out. You people are despicable. You would gut the one institution  full of people who will give their lives for you all so you can get more freebies for yourself.

Recognizing and protecting against danger is not quivering in fear. You idiots would never grab a rifle and defend this country even if they allowed you to unionize and paid you a CEO's salary.

Yeah it isn't the democrats who have run that city for years and the greedy unions that destroyed Detroit, it is the military. 

The veterans earn whatever they get, meanwhile the 0bamaphone people have done nothing and will do nothing to earn their keep and you make them into heroes and then have the nerve to call those who made sacrifices the bad guys. 

IT IS THE SOLDIER

It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.

It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

©Copyright 1970, 2005 by Charles M. Province

[Duke Nukum]

Isn't the idea that the American economy is based on war and war machinery one of those things only believed by naive and brainwashed high school seniors up to college juniors?

When Clinton was destroying the US Military American innovation caused the economy to boom.

Anyway, I never looked into it. I used to believe it when I was uninformed and stupid but now it seems impossible for the "military=American economy" to be the least bit true. If anything it is the other way around. That the American military depends on the innovation and intelligence of the American people that they protect.

[oldcrow]

Wow. These clowns are truly ignorant. Have they not heard of Spinoff technology? 

[wasp69]

earthside (4,250 posts)
7.

Special programs to find jobs for 'veterans' while those with no military 'service' are not accorded the same level of concern. Then there are career military retirees who draw a pension at 55 years old, then go to work for a 'defense' contractor and make thousands and thousands of dollars more each month courtesy of the gullible 'patriotic' middle class taxpayer.

We have created a special class of citizen in this country -- the military participant, who is praised and lauded for their personal choice, is/was paid by the rest of the taxpayers and who, if some are to be heeded, ought to be given more credence and deference on all issues (especially by the Repuglicans and veterans organizations who, I think if they could get their way, would give military personnel two votes each at election time).

All of the whining and crying done by these worthless cretins is boiled down to the above quoted.  To distill it down even further:  "What about meeeeeeee?!?  It's not fair!!!"

There is not enough that can be given to those who volunteer to be bullet/shrapnel sponges, to those who sacrifice their youth willingly.  **** you, participation trophy cretins.

[NHSparky]

I have lost count of medical advances made by the military. The plastic surgery that the uberlib Hollywood types love came from the military.

Not to mention burn treatment, prosthetics, rehabilitation procedures, etc...

[Ptarmigan]

No, the military does not ruin America. It helps and defends America. What a moron! 

[Freeper]

All of the whining and crying done by these worthless cretins is boiled down to the above quoted.  To distill it down even further:  "What about meeeeeeee?!?  It's not fair!!!"

There is not enough that can be given to those who volunteer to be bullet/shrapnel sponges, to those who sacrifice their youth willingly.  **** you, participation trophy cretins.

Yep it all boils down to jealousy. They can't stand that some folks did something with their lives and will prosper because of it. They are owed the same thing just because their mommy didn't have them aborted in the womb. 

[wasp69]

Yep it all boils down to jealousy. They can't stand that some folks did something with their lives and will prosper because of it. They are owed the same thing just because their mommy didn't have them aborted in the womb. 

The whole "deserve a better quality of life" meme in the flesh, as it were.