Thousands of absentee-ballots discovered in postal facility, declared invalid.

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DetlefK (13,428 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211406625


Thousands of absentee-ballots discovered in postal facility, declared invalid.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/postal-facility-locked-pro-trump-mail-bomber-may-thousands-ballots-democrat-heavy-district/

An anonymous tip led to the discovery of “scores” of absentee ballots in a mail distribution facility that pipe bombs traveled through — after Miami-Dade County announced it finalized its vote counts for the 2018 midterms.

The Miami New Times reported that the Opa-locka mail distribution center was evacuated in October after Trump megafan Cesar Sayoc allegedly sent pipe bombs that passed through the facility.

That same center reportedly is still home to a huge number of uncounted mail-in ballots. Two sources that spoke to the New Times estimated the total could be in the hundreds or thousands.

Local activists demonstrated outside the mail facility and at the Miami-Dade County Elections Department over the uncounted ballots — but according to an official with the Elections Department, the ballots are now invalid.

So--- thousands of mail in votes 'lost' in heavy [D] county...

 

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:41 PM
Star Member Blue_true (9,515 posts)

59. Why not just postmark it and let it continue to the SOE.

Democrats are losing elections in Florida because too many people set themselves up to be rat****ed. If each of those people had in person voted, we could be talking an entirely different election.

Trump is implying that there could be a revote in Florida. Well, enough ballots to potentially change the election outcome being sidelined would warrant a revote.

 

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:14 AM
Star Member UCmeNdc (6,097 posts)

4. This is how the GOP plays it. These votes were intentionally left there.

They were in the mail and made it to the post office in time. The election officials knew this. Collect the votes and count them.

the election officials who are dems knew, and the post office workers who are no doubt dems knew...

 

waiting for indictments...

onetexan (1,961 posts)

7. second that

i'd like to know who makes up the state's election board and what their party affiliation is. Betcha they're the head-in-the-RW-Koolaid variety. Dems need to go to war. This is sickening and maddening every time i read about another case of election fraud/voter suppression.

sorry, Miami-Dade is heavy [D]...

S

at Nov 10, 2018, 05:06 PM
Star Member Blue_true (9,515 posts)

66. If they were not postmarked, no way of knowing when they came in.

Trump made noises about a revote in Florida. But if his flunkies hold on and win, don't expect to hear anything more about it. But if they lose, expect Trump and the Republican Party to use the stalled ballots in Dade County as a reason why there should be a revote.

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:00 AM
Star Member peekaloo (22,675 posts)

32. According to Frederica Wilson they were postmarked AFTER the 6th.

Last minute deluge? Hmmmm

Stinky as hell? Yas

I haven't voted absentee in years but does it require you to indicate the date you filled it out? If so I'm curious about the range of dates on them (don't know if they'll be opened).

I do realize people could have waited until the last minute but it still stinks and the fact that it is in Ms Wilson's district makes me wonder.

 

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:47 AM
Star Member Botany (48,605 posts)

38. I'm from Ohio

And I smell a big hairy ass rat. Get somebody on the inside in the USPS to set aside absentee ballot envelopes during two or 3 weeks prior to the close of voting by mail and magically all those votes are spoiled because they were "too late" to be counted for the election.

And after the Republican "wins" the talking heads will blather on and on about how the Democrats lost because they missed on their messaging to the voters.

****ers need to be jail for this crap. This was no mistake.

somehow Trump infiltrated the M/D county Post office weeks before the election and put ALL the absentee ballots aside to be 'lost?

 

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:15 AM
Star Member Sunsky (425 posts)

28. Someone should be locked up for this

I don't believe these were all "late" ballots.
We need monitoring for the tri-county area general elections (Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach). These are the dirty tricks the Republicans use to steal statewide elections in Fl. The tri-county area holds the three largest population in FL and they are heavily Democratic. The Panhandle could not overcome the votes in the tri-county area plus St Lucie, Hillsborough, Orange county and others which are trending blue.
The first election where I have noticed that after the panhandle results come in, Broward, Dade and Palm Beaches results didn't have a significant impact on the vote count, was 2016. It was strange for many of us prudent election observers. Now we begin to see why. It seems as if- 1) These large population areas do not give in their vote totals until a day or more post election, IMO Broward used to report its numbers quicker under SOE Oliphant. Also, how can early votes that are fed through a machine not be counted almost 24 hrs after an election? and 2) mail-in votes are mysteriously disappearing here/ left uncounted.
If the election wasn't challenged would these votes just disappear and left unmentioned?
Thank you Sen Bill Nelson for your tenacity and not conceding on election night. If the election wasn't contested all these issues would have been swept under the rug as usual.
Lesson here- NO Democrat should concede FL until all the votes have been counted in Broward, Dade and Palm Beach!

all three [D] counties with [D] officials... somehow it's the GOP and Trump who is at fault... 

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:13 AM
Star Member lindysalsagal (9,610 posts)

34. I'm willing to admit that I could believe the pipe bomber was on a mission

to give them reasons to lock up the ballots.

They're capable of anything.

  Oh, for ****'s face...

[DumbAss Tanker]

I don't know about FL, but most places I've lived, there is an absolute deadline by which it must be received, as well.

[SVPete]

From the little I've seen, the handling of the election process in Broward and Palm Beach Counties has been an inept audition for admission to Clown College. And in flagrant violation of multiple laws.

Ds should be asking why in Hades D officials are F'ing things up so badly.

[Delmar]

Response to Botany (Reply #22)Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:00 AM
Star Member peekaloo (22,689 posts)
32. According to Frederica Wilson they were postmarked AFTER the 6th.

Last minute deluge? Hmmmm

Stinky as hell? Yas

I haven't voted absentee in years but does it require you to indicate the date you filled it out? If so I'm curious about the range of dates on them (don't know if they'll be opened).

I do realize people could have waited until the last minute but it still stinks and the fact that it is in Ms Wilson's district makes me wonder.

They damn well better be opened up--and then get dusted for fingerprints.

[SVPete]

Hard cold reality is that laws/regs about tracking provenance and chain of custody were written because of past fraud - fraud suppression, not "voter suppression". And the officials cluster-F'ing the process in those counties are Ds. If DUpipo and other Ds don't like the lawful response to the cluster-F'ing they should insist on competent people replacing the idiots and morons doing the clustering!

[landofconfusion80]

The post office union is pro trump....oh wait....

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

somehow Trump infiltrated the M/D county Post office weeks before the election and put ALL the absentee ballots aside to be 'lost?

 

Yep.
The DUmmies believe that Trump personally snuck into the Post Office and set aside all those ballots while laughing like Dr. Evil.

[FiddyBeowulf]

One way to reduce fraud would be to get rid of early voting and tighten the requirements for being able to submit an absentee ballot.

[SVPete]

One way to reduce fraud would be to get rid of early voting and tighten the requirements for being able to submit an absentee ballot.

  And repeal Motor Voter, requiring states to verify eligibility if they continue doing it!

[Skul]

One way to reduce fraud would be to get rid of early voting and tighten the requirements for being able to submit an absentee ballot.

That would be a disaster for Conservatives.
The socialist/democrat/liberals would have all day to vote.
Conservatives need to get off work before THEY can vote.
Congestion at the polls would be horrendous and would effectively stifle their voting.

[docstew]

One way to reduce fraud would be to get rid of early voting and tighten the requirements for being able to submit an absentee ballot.

I agree with skul about early voting, it doesn't foster fraud if done correctly.  I've been trying to think of a biometric that could be used to eliminate double voting without infringing on the 4th amendment, something along the lines of the finger dipped in ink that's popular in Iraq.  Maybe they have to submit a right index fingerprint for verification before receiving their ballot?  If they've voted once already, it flashes red and they don't vote; felon, flashes red; yadda yadda.  Only problem is how do you know who is registered unless you take fingerprints when they register?

[DLR Pyro]

I agree with skul about early voting, it doesn't foster fraud if done correctly.  I've been trying to think of a biometric that could be used to eliminate double voting without infringing on the 4th amendment, something along the lines of the finger dipped in ink that's popular in Iraq.  Maybe they have to submit a right index fingerprint for verification before receiving their ballot? If they've voted once already, it flashes red and they don't vote; felon, flashes red; yadda yadda.  Only problem is how do you know who is registered unless you take fingerprints when they register?

Watch how fast the left argues that it is against their religious beliefs to apply ink to their fingers or how finger printing is a violation of their rights to privacy, or discriminating against people without fingers...   In short, the left will find excuses as to why this can't be implemented, all of them bullshit.

[FiddyBeowulf]

That would be a disaster for Conservatives.
The socialist/democrat/liberals would have all day to vote.
Conservatives need to get off work before THEY can vote.
Congestion at the polls would be horrendous and would effectively stifle their voting.

Make it a national day off.

[docstew]

Watch how fast the left argues that it is against their religious beliefs to apply ink to their fingers or how finger printing is a violation of their rights to privacy, or discriminating against people without fingers...   In short, the left will find excuses as to why this can't be implemented, all of them bullshit.

Like I said, just ideas.

Only those who benefit from fraud would fight so hard to prevent it.