Oh, I also forgot to mention that I volunteer 40 hours a month at a local domestic violence shelter. Mostly office and clerical stuff, but I also work as a youth group counselor with teens affected by violence. As you can imagine, I'm literally surrounded by liberals when I'm there, but they're not like the type you see on DU. They're very normal people who have their hearts in the right place, but tend to listen more to their emotions than their intelligence when it comes to politics. If I ever come across as left leaning, trust me, I'm not. I've just learned that we do need some social programs, but I also firmly believe that every social program needs an end game. Get what you need from the program and get out.