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Interests => Around the House & In the Garage => Topic started by: mrclose on February 07, 2013, 08:59:07 PM

Title: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: mrclose on February 07, 2013, 08:59:07 PM: A lady friend has asked me if I could install some of those 'sticky' tiles in a small bathroom of hers.

I know that to someone who has done this before that it's probably a simple job.

Problem is .. I haven't done it before!

The floor is about 7'x4' and the tiles are 12 inch square.

If you can tell from my amateur like pictures .. Where would you suggest that I start?

Front door area?
Around the toilet bowl? :panic:

Also, is there an easy way to put the tile around the toilet bowl 'without' having to remove it (the bowl)?

Any help or suggestions would surely be a Big help and appreciated!

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Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Conservative Libertarian on February 07, 2013, 09:36:07 PM: I did it once before and swore I'd go to ceramic tile the next go around.

Unless a more experienced person says otherwise, I would start with the wall oppsite the sink and stool provided that it is the straightest wall. Then work toward the opposite wall.

Does the vanity go all the way to the floor all around it bottom? If so, you could install the tile up to it save a few squares. If not, you will need to remove the vanity and tile all the way to the wall.

Of course, the floor must be smooth and clean with no nails or things sticking up.

You will need to remove the stool too and will need wax rings for the re-install.

Make sure that it all fits tight to the wall and under the baseboard trim. I have heard of people using some flathead tacs around the edges that will be covered by the baseboard trim to mitigate the tiles wanting to creep and leave gaps later on. I didn't do that and I got some creepage. We were planning a full remodel anyway with ceramic tile so, it still bought us some time.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: mrclose on February 07, 2013, 09:47:19 PM: Quote from: Conservative Libertarian on February 07, 2013, 09:36:07 PM

You will need to remove the stool too and will need wax rings for the re-install.
OMG .. say it ain't so! :panic: :panic:

Can't I just 'cut' around the bowl? (please?)

The straight wall is to the left when entering the room.

The floor, at the other end runs right up to the tub.

I was hoping that I could lay the tile up to the vanity (Goes all the way to wall) and use 'stretch caulk' to seal around the tile?
(Stretch caulk expands and contracts without cracking.)

Thank You for your help (And Scare Factor) :rofl:
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: LC EFA on February 07, 2013, 11:57:42 PM: Sticky tiles ? Sounds dodgy.

When I renovated my laundry and bathroom - We ran the "cuts" along the wall where they'd be least obvious - In the laundry that was the side with the washer and the sink unit and the wall opposite the primary entryway.

In your case I'd run the cuts along the front of the vanity.and the wall where the door swing back.

I don't know what prep you've done or plan to do but you need to get a small degree of fall so that overflows will head to the floor drain or a place that's easy to clean.

When I did the tiling in my place - we'd ripped out the floorboards and replaced them with a compressed concrete sheet - that had to be waterproofed before one applied the tile glue. The tile glue being great for helping to level the tiles as well as helping get the fall correct.

I've some pictures around somewhere of the job.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 12:18:25 AM: I don't know about adhesive tiles, but that looks more like linoleum.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: BattleHymn on February 08, 2013, 12:23:01 AM: I think he's going to sticky tiles, from linoleum, or whatever is already on the floor.

Sticky tiles aren't what I would use in my OWN house, but my brother has put them in his kitchen, and he seems satisfied with them. I really can't tell you any more about sticky tiles, because that's all I know.

The toilet, however, is a different story. You can do the job without pulling the toilet, but it's going to be sloppier, and believe it or not, harder to do it with the toilet in place. Pulling a toilet bowl isn't a bad job at all. The first toilet I pulled was when I was 16 or so, helping to fix a wax ring on an 'inner city' (as much of an inner city as we have here) church that needed some help. Here are some instructions:

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/catalog/servlet/ContentView?pn=Removing_a_Toilet&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053 (http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/catalog/servlet/ContentView?pn=Removing_a_Toilet&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053)

Don't be afraid to tackle that toilet. You'll be thankful you did, once you try to start working around where it might have been to finish the job.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 12:24:09 AM: If I got to do my bathroom over, I would put in tiles over radiant heating. As it is, it's just regular old tile and it's cold this time of year.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: BattleHymn on February 08, 2013, 12:25:06 AM: Quote from: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 12:24:09 AM
If I got to do my bathroom over, I would put in tiles over radiant heating. As it is, it's just regular old tile and it's cold this time of year.

We have wood floors, linoleum, and tile in our house.

I like to think the cold floors make me feel more alive. :-)
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 12:26:17 AM: I feel alive when I'm warm. I hate cold floors... it makes stepping on kitty litter worse than usual.

That reminds me, I need to buy a new broom.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: BattleHymn on February 08, 2013, 12:35:03 AM: Quote from: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 12:26:17 AM
I feel alive when I'm warm. I hate cold floors... it makes stepping on kitty litter worse than usual.

That reminds me, I need to buy a new broom.

Yeah, I do to. I was just trying to console my cold, cold feet with a lie. I hate carpet more than I hate cold floors, though.

This place was built in 1937, so I'm not aware of any way to make the floors warmer, without ripping up the hardwood floors, which I refuse to do.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 12:35:52 AM: Yikes.

This house was built in 1951. It needs some work (I may be buying a new roof at some point).

On the other hand, it has these great in-wall space heaters in the bathroom, living room, and bedroom downstairs. They put out some serious BTUs.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: BattleHymn on February 08, 2013, 12:38:33 AM: Quote from: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 12:35:52 AM
Yikes.

This house was built in 1951. It needs some work (I may be buying a new roof at some point).

On the other hand, it has these great in-wall space heaters in the bathroom, living room, and bedroom downstairs. They put out some serious BTUs.

We wanted an old place, though, mid-1950s was our cutoff. We settled on this one, because it had the original windows/floors/trim work.

On the plus side, and mrclose would appreciate this, the previous owner was a plumber, so no worries there. :-)
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 12:39:11 AM: That's good. I have galvanized pipes in the house, so I have tasty brown water. I get my minerals that way.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: LC EFA on February 08, 2013, 02:25:03 AM: Quote from: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 12:39:11 AM
That's good. I have galvanized pipes in the house, so I have tasty brown water. I get my minerals that way.

I replaced all the gal pipe I had in this place some time ago with 1" black poly irrigation pipe. The old gal pipe was at about 50% of original internal diameter due to rust.

Made a huge difference to the water pressure.

Quote from: BattleHymn on February 08, 2013, 12:23:01 AM
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The toilet, however, is a different story. You can do the job without pulling the toilet, but it's going to be sloppier, and believe it or not, harder to do it with the toilet in place. Pulling a toilet bowl isn't a bad job at all. The first toilet I pulled was when I was 16 or so, helping to fix a wax ring on an 'inner city' (as much of an inner city as we have here) church that needed some help. Here are some instructions:
...

Removing the toilet here is a non-issue. Disconnect the cistern from the bowl (drain it first) and remove the elbow between the two - then remove the two screws that go through the floor and rock the bowl out of the seating compound.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Wineslob on February 08, 2013, 09:37:47 AM: I did sticky tiles once, never again.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: IassaFTots on February 08, 2013, 09:40:26 AM: Do NOT go around the toilet bowl. My former-less-than-significant other did that once. AND didn't clean the floor properly before hand. Let's just say the outcome was poor and leave it there. Of course, he was tiling over the ruined tiles that he dried out by cleaning paint off the floor from a crappy job painting, with acetone. :loser:

He didn't even scrape up the bits of tile that didn't pull up before he retiled.

:argh:

modified to highlight the word FORMER. It seems relevant.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Chris_ on February 08, 2013, 09:42:33 AM: :thatsright:
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Gina on February 08, 2013, 10:24:49 AM: I did this in one of my bathrooms and it's awesome! I started at the baseboard in the middle of the room. So I had a long line of tiles right down the middle of my room and then I worked out from there. Make sure you sweep really good and clean up any oils/grime so they stick well.

Only problem she might have is if the toilet overflows or the shower leaks bad then a few tiles may come unhinged.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: J P Sousa on February 08, 2013, 10:50:02 AM: Quote from: mrclose on February 07, 2013, 08:59:07 PM
A lady friend has asked me if I could install some of those 'sticky' tiles in a small bathroom of hers.

I know that to someone who has done this before that it's probably a simple job.

Problem is .. I haven't done it before!

The floor is about 7'x4' and the tiles are 12 inch square.

If you can tell from my amateur like pictures .. Where would you suggest that I start?

Front door area?
Around the toilet bowl? :panic:

Also, is there an easy way to put the tile around the toilet bowl 'without' having to remove it (the bowl)?

Any help or suggestions would surely be a Big help and appreciated!

If Sonne and Enzo can do it you can do it. :-)

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlkGyH2_L_o[/youtube]

I used self adhesive tile to tile a dining room floor and wall but not a bathroom. I salute you :usflag:
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Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: mrclose on February 08, 2013, 05:57:59 PM: You guys are the best! :yahoo:

I am going to 'try' and put the sticky back tiles over the linoleum .. after a good cleaning of course! :hyper:

Thanks Everyone!

(That toilet thingy .. Geeze!) :panic:
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: Dori on February 08, 2013, 06:04:03 PM: Quote from: Gina on February 08, 2013, 10:24:49 AM
Only problem she might have is if the toilet overflows or the shower leaks bad then a few tiles may come unhinged.

I put them in a kitchen and worried about them coming up because of spills and mopping etc. So, I also put down linoleum glue, even though they had a sticky back.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: longview on February 09, 2013, 02:19:54 AM: Have a rag handy to lay on top of the sewer pipe once the toilet is removed. Makes the job a bit more pleasant, since the toilet is about the first thing you remove and the last thing you replace.

I've put sticky tiles in a couple ranch houses and pretty much did it how Gina described.
Title: Re: 'Sticky' Tiles (and the dumb a$$ who knows nothing)
Post by: BEG on February 09, 2013, 07:46:26 PM: Quote from: Gina on February 08, 2013, 10:24:49 AM
I did this in one of my bathrooms and it's awesome! I started at the baseboard in the middle of the room. So I had a long line of tiles right down the middle of my room and then I worked out from there. Make sure you sweep really good and clean up any oils/grime so they stick well.

Only problem she might have is if the toilet overflows or the shower leaks bad then a few tiles may come unhinged.

What she said. Start at the baseboard on the left side of the bathroom in front of the cabinet but in the middle of the wall. Right in front of the door stop. Make sure the first row is perfectly square then work your way out on both sides.

Take the friggen toilet up.