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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2008, 06:21:16 PM »
do y'all remember how we were all talking about energy independence the last few weeks ?
remember how the donkeys we losing with it ?

and now we've blown that off the front page and its 1929 again.

who does better when people are fretting about money ?

I'm sure you'll recall that the dems had the votes to pass this thing last week and yet they didn't.  I'm thinking that they needed to stretch this out as long as possible to help the messiah.

not only will they sell the middle east down sewer
not only will they risk American soldiers by attempting to delay reductions in numbers

they're happy to risk a depression just to elect FDR II.

I need a drink....

We are no where near a depression. We aren't even in a recession.

Don't repeat democratic/uh-bam-uh talking points.  It does no one any good.
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2008, 06:22:57 PM »
Voted Yes:
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Arcuri
Bachus
Baird
Baldwin
Bean
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blunt
Boehner
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boozman
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd (FL)
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Calvert
Camp (MI)
Campbell (CA)
Cannon
Cantor
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Castle
Clarke
Clyburn
Cohen
Cole (OK)
Cooper
Costa
Cramer
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Davis, Tom
DeGette
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Donnelly
Doyle
Dreier
Edwards (TX)
Ehlers
Ellison
Ellsworth
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Everett
Farr
Fattah
Ferguson
Fossella
Foster
Frank (MA)
Gilchrest
Gonzalez
Gordon
Granger
Gutierrez
Hall (NY)
Hare
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Herger
Higgins
Hinojosa
Hobson
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hoyer
Inglis (SC)
Israel
Johnson, E. B.
Kanjorski
Kennedy
Kildee
Kind
King (NY)
Kirk
Klein (FL)
Kline (MN)
LaHood
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mahoney (FL)
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Marshall
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum (MN)
McCrery
McDermott
McGovern
McHugh
McKeon
McNerney
McNulty
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Melancon
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy, Patrick
Murtha
Nadler
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Pallone
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Peterson (PA)
Pickering
Pomeroy
Porter
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Radanovich
Rahall
Rangel
Regula
Reyes
Reynolds
Richardson
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Ross
Ruppersberger
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Sarbanes
Saxton
Schakowsky
Schwartz
Sessions
Sestak
Shays
Simpson
Sires
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Souder
Space
Speier
Spratt
Tancredo
Tanner
Tauscher
Towns
Tsongas
Upton
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Walden (OR)
Walsh (NY)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Weldon (FL)
Wexler
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (OH)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf

Voted No:
Abercrombie
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Altmire
Baca
Bachmann
Barrett (SC)
Barrow
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Becerra
Berkley
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blumenauer
Boustany
Boyda (KS)
Braley (IA)
Broun (GA)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Buchanan
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Butterfield
Buyer
Capito
Carney
Carson
Carter
Castor
Cazayoux
Chabot
Chandler
Childers
Clay
Cleaver
Coble
Conaway
Conyers
Costello
Courtney
Cuellar
Culberson
Cummings
Davis (KY)
Davis, David
Davis, Lincoln
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
Delahunt
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doggett
Doolittle
Drake
Duncan
Edwards (MD)
English (PA)
Fallin
Feeney
Filner
Flake
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Giffords
Gillibrand
Gingrey
Gohmert
Goode
Goodlatte
Graves
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Hall (TX)
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Heller
Hensarling
Herseth Sandlin
Hill
Hinchey
Hirono
Hodes
Hoekstra
Holden
Hulshof
Hunter
Inslee
Issa
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Jordan
Kagen
Kaptur
Keller
Kilpatrick
King (IA)
Kingston
Knollenberg
Kucinich
Kuhl (NY)
Lampson
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Lee
Lewis (GA)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lucas
Lynch
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul (TX)
McCotter
McHenry
McIntyre
McMorris Rodgers
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Mitchell
Moran (KS)
Murphy, Tim
Musgrave
Myrick
Napolitano
Neugebauer
Nunes
Ortiz
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe
Price (GA)
Ramstad
Rehberg
Reichert
Renzi
Rodriguez
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Royce
Rush
Salazar
Sali
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Scalise
Schiff
Schmidt
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Shadegg
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Shimkus
Shuler
Shuster
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Solis
Stark
Stearns
Stupak
Sullivan
Sutton
Taylor
Terry
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Tierney
Turner
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Visclosky
Walberg
Walz (MN)
Wamp
Watson
Welch (VT)
Westmoreland
Whitfield (KY)
Wittman (VA)
Woolsey
Wu
Yarmuth
Young (AK)
Young (FL)

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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2008, 06:41:50 PM »
do y'all remember how we were all talking about energy independence the last few weeks ?
remember how the donkeys we losing with it ?

and now we've blown that off the front page and its 1929 again.

who does better when people are fretting about money ?

I'm sure you'll recall that the dems had the votes to pass this thing last week and yet they didn't.  I'm thinking that they needed to stretch this out as long as possible to help the messiah.

not only will they sell the middle east down sewer
not only will they risk American soldiers by attempting to delay reductions in numbers

they're happy to risk a depression just to elect FDR II.

I need a drink....

We are no where near a depression. We aren't even in a recession.

Don't repeat democratic/uh-bam-uh talking points.  It does no one any good.



Its a Bush talking point but semantics aside, McCain needs to find a way to make lemonade out of this thing and soon.
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2008, 06:48:09 PM »
Some HR final vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

Haha, Nancy. Of course, my dolt Congressman voted for this. I hope he pays with his seat.

777 point fall today is not the same as a 777 point fall in 1987.  Black Monday had a 1 day drop of 24%, today's was about 6.5%.
As I said, let the correction happen....just as it did in the housing sector.  I'm a long term investor in housing and still haven't seen a bottom (nationally) although some states have bottomed out.  Buckle up and hold on.

That's right, today was only the bigggest drop in absolute numbers. You sound as if you don't want a bailout at all, for this to be handled by the free market, but I may misunderstood - I think this bill was a choice between big Obamite socialism and economic chaos, the latter wins AFAIC.
I don't like the bail-out the way it was presented.  They'll have to come up with a better plan...one that doesn't leave the taxpayers holding the bag. 
I prefer the free market settling this on their own.  Just as BofA bought out Lehman Brothers, Citicorp buying out Wachovia...and the many other who came in and aquired mis-managed companies at a sale price.  This week and probably next week, the market will be very volatile...but as soon as "the bottom" is reached...it's a great opportunity to buy. 

My big question now is....where will the investors go?

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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2008, 07:14:23 PM »
:cheersmate: to the House, and  :cheersmate: for more opportunities to buy stocks on the cheap!

+1 I took a beating when the housing market crashed...time for everyone else to follow in line.  The correction will happen, might as well get it over with now and not postpone it for 3 years.  Let the correction HAPPEN.  It's not my place or the gov't's place to bail out bad investments. 

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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2008, 07:18:41 PM »
I think this whole situation is analogous of the 1970s to mid 1980s. There were many banks that failed, especially the saving and loans sector. Also, companies were asking for bailouts, which they got. Also, oil prices were high and they peaked in 1980 because of the Iranian Hostage Crisis and ongoing conflicts in the Middle East. Also, terrorism was a huge problem in war torn Lebanon. 241 American Marines were killed in a series of terrorist attack at a Beirut barrack on October 23, 1983, which killed 58 French soldiers and 6 civilians. Oil prices dropped in 1986. The 1929 Stock Market crash marks the start of the Great Depression, except there were economic problems brewing in the Roaring 20's. 1929 Stock Market Crash symbolizes the start of the Great Depression, but it was brewing before 1929. The 1920s was seen as a prosperous decade, yes the decade of "flapper girls" and Ford Model T. However, farmers were suffering in the 1920s, who were the backbone of the economy. I see this economy problem kinda starting the 1990s.
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2008, 10:59:16 PM »
Good day for capitalism, even though the market looks dim. I guess it could be time to buy some low price stock. I'm not worried about it. The market usually fixes itself as long as the "gub'mint" doesn't screw with it too much.

As far as the bailout bill... well, it should have never come to light. Whatever happened to watching your own ass and not living beyond your means or being a loan officer and giving a person with less than decent credit the money?

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