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Title: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: sparkzilla on September 17, 2012, 12:49:02 AM
Recently, fact checking has become a huge trend in media, but everybody knows the fact checkers are just as biased as the people they are checking. How can we fact check the fact checkers?

WeCheck (http://www.wecheck.org), the world's first people-powered fact check, cuts out the middleman and gives YOU the power to fact check politicians and their media allies.

WeCheck uses Wikipedia-like collaborative editing to help contributors with all kinds of political views work together to fact check speeches and political commentary on an independent, non-partisan system. It works by allowing users to tags and link text to create Fact Check pages. Anyone can edit WeCheck pages.

In addition to basic tags such as [[TRUE]], [[FALSE]] there are 40 other tags like [[STRAW MAN]], [[CIRCULAR]], [[AD HOMINEM]], [[CORRELATION]], [[MORAL EQUIVALENCE]], [[NAZI]], [[RACE CARD]] etc. which contributors can use to educate other readers about how politicians and commentators try to manipulate you.

Recent questions have included:

Did the Obama Administration apologize for the Libyan Embassy Attacks? (http://wecheck.org/wiki/Did_the_Obama_administration_apologize_for_the_Libyan_Embassy_attacks%3F) TRUE

Did President Obama create 4.5 million new jobs? (http://wecheck.org/wiki/Did_President_Obama_create_4.5_million_new_jobs%3F)  FALSE

Has President Obama signed trade agreements with other nations? (http://wecheck.org/wiki/Has_President_Obama_signed_trade_agreements_with_other_nations%3F) FALSE

We are working on a full fact check of Barack Obama's Convention Speech (http://wecheck.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_-_Speech_to_Democratic_National_Convention_-_6_Sept_2012) and we are looking for YOU to contribute to recent questions like:

Has Mitt Romney flip-flopped on Health Care reform? (http://wecheck.org/wiki/Has_Mitt_Romney_flip-flopped_on_health_care_reform%3F) UNCHECKED

Did Barack Obama vote to deny rights to abortion survivors? (http://wecheck.org/wiki/Did_Barack_Obama_vote_to_deny_rights_to_infant_abortion_survivors%3F) UNCHECKED

When you hear media bias, don't get mad, get even. Come to WeCheck and set the record straight with your text, links and sources. We can only fight media bias if we work together.

With your help I hope we can get enough contributors to be able to fact check the upcoming Presidential Debates and push back against MSM bias. And as WeCheck grows I hope it will not just become an incredible repository of facts and sources about particular claims, but it will also be a real test of how "truth" is determined by large groups of people. I hope you will join me.

You can check the site at http://www.wecheck.org and I am happy to take your questions here...
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: GOP Congress on September 17, 2012, 01:21:42 AM
EXCELLENT NEWS. I will Tweet the Barack out of this bit of news. WeCheck should be made the defacto standard of all fact checking outfits. Of course, you know the Anonymous crowd will come out and try to screw this up, but Wiki is, for the most part, technologically solid.
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: sybilll on September 17, 2012, 01:21:49 AM
If your "Fact-Checkers" are too stupid to find this video where Obama vehemently defended NOT supporting the Infant Born Alive Act http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Obama+argues+against+the+Infant+Born+Alive+Protection+Act&view=detail&mid=E775FF469FD3CB501C32E775FF469FD3CB501C32&first=0
then your site sucks ballz, and should be reported as Spam.  
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: sparkzilla on September 17, 2012, 01:25:04 AM
Sybill: We are just getting started. If you'd like to help add some info about that topic I'd be most grateful. Anyone can edit. Otherwise I will get to it tomorrow. Long day. Need. sleep.

Update: I just spent a few minutes updating the page. Of course it is a work-in-progress so I hope you will take another look and see how it progresses.
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: txradioguy on September 17, 2012, 01:26:35 AM
Oh goody...Monday morning spam troll.  :whatever:
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: sparkzilla on September 17, 2012, 02:06:02 AM
It's not until you actually fact check a claim that you can see how biased and brazen the media is:

For example, in the Washington Post's fact check  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-obama-vote-to-deny-rights-to-infant-abortion-survivors/2012/09/07/9852895a-f87d-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_blog.html) of the Partial-birth abortion issue they issue a multitude of "Pinocchio's" to the abortion survivor, the director of Susan B Anthony, and Mike Hukabee, yet Barack Obama, who clearly misrepresented himself gets away with this:
The evidence suggests we could have awarded Four Pinocchios to the former Illinois senator for his comments to the Christian Broadcasting Network, but that interview is several years old now, and it’s not the focus of this particular column.

Could have. That's why a site like WeCheck is necessary. Please help us create an honest fact check. (http://wecheck.org/wiki/Did_Barack_Obama_vote_to_deny_rights_to_infant_abortion_survivors%3F)
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: NHSparky on September 17, 2012, 03:16:53 AM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZio278IKGI[/youtube]
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: sybilll on September 17, 2012, 11:25:38 PM
It's not until you actually fact check a claim that you can see how biased and brazen the media is:

For example, in the Washington Post's fact check  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-obama-vote-to-deny-rights-to-infant-abortion-survivors/2012/09/07/9852895a-f87d-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_blog.html) of the Partial-birth abortion issue they issue a multitude of "Pinocchio's" to the abortion survivor, the director of Susan B Anthony, and Mike Hukabee, yet Barack Obama, who clearly misrepresented himself gets away with this:
The evidence suggests we could have awarded Four Pinocchios to the former Illinois senator for his comments to the Christian Broadcasting Network, but that interview is several years old now, and it’s not the focus of this particular column.

Could have. That's why a site like WeCheck is necessary. Please help us create an honest fact check. (http://wecheck.org/wiki/Did_Barack_Obama_vote_to_deny_rights_to_infant_abortion_survivors%3F)
You are promoting sites that refuse to believe that I heard exactly what Obama said about opposing the Infant Born Alive Protection Act.  You are not promoting a "new" fact-check site, you are promoting Obama. I am so offended that I have not consulted CU owners/mods, at the risk of being banned, prior to saying, **** OFF.  Your SCOAMF is gone in November, and you need to plan accordingly.
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: sparkzilla on September 18, 2012, 02:15:07 PM
Firstly, I don't get how you can say from the quote that I am promoting Obama, when it is clear from my post that I think The Washington Post did not criticize Obama enough for his votes. Secondly, WeCheck.org is a non-partisan site and exists so that anyone can fact check any politician, especially Obama (and I invite you to do so on the site). And thirdly, whatever the perceived offence, there is never any reason for rudeness.
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: sparkzilla on September 19, 2012, 03:33:45 PM
Hi, just wanted to let you know that we have completed most of Did Barack Obama vote to deny rights to abortion survivors? (http://"http://wecheck.org/wiki/Did_Barack_Obama_vote_to_deny_rights_to_infant_abortion_survivors%3F"), which we found to be TRUE.

If you would like to add more text or clarify, I'd be most grateful. You may also be interested in working on Do 47% of Americans pay no Federal Income Taxes? (http://"http://wecheck.org/wiki/Do_47%25_of_Americans_pay_no_Federal_Income_Taxes%3F") or some of the other facts we are working on.
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: rich_t on September 19, 2012, 03:46:03 PM
Stop pimping your damn site.
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: thundley4 on September 19, 2012, 03:46:53 PM
Stop pimping your damn site.

Isn't that what the blog section is for? 
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: rich_t on September 19, 2012, 03:48:38 PM
Isn't that what the blog section is for? 

Ooops....  I didn't pay attention to what section I was in.

My apologies.
Title: Re: Fact checkers: You're fired!
Post by: Chris_ on January 06, 2013, 08:31:39 AM
Looks like they got tired of checking. :lmao:

 http://wecheck.org/