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Offline wasp69

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Re: Global Socialist Revolution
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2011, 12:57:26 PM »
yes, global communism is inevitable.

For as long as man's inherent state is freedom, communism will have to kill and imprison to acquire and maintain its power.  For as long as we are hardwired to protect and enjoy our freedom, communism will never take a free people.  For as long as the common man is armed and willing to protect himself, you and yours will never know success on this soil.

I advise you, DUmmie, to heed my words:  Abandon this line of thought before you get the thunder that comes with "revolution" and the blood you and your comrades desire to run in the streets ends up being your own.
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

C.S. Lewis

A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: Global Socialist Revolution
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2011, 01:47:58 PM »
Socialist effects on the American economy?  :rofl:

Are you unfamiliar with what socialism is, or are you unfamiliar with the American economy?

No, and no.  Are you denying that there are socialist elements to the American economy?  Government guaranteed pensions, medical care, retirement, high regulation, etc?  Perhaps you're the ignorant one.

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Government control =/= socialism. The welfare state =/= socialism.
False.  It's degrees of socialism, particularly to the extent that the government gets into the business of providing private goods such as an income, health services, student loans, venture capital loans, etc.

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If government control is socialism, then the US has been socialist since 1775 with the establishment of the US postal service. If the welfare state is socialism then nearly every country on earth is socialist. If universal health care is socialist then every modern nation on Earth besides the US and Mexico are socialist nations.
All are elements of socialism, and nobody that I'm aware of has ever claimed that there has been a purely capitalistic society within recent history.  Just pointing out that the more government moves toward socialism, the worse it becomes for everyone.  Your argument is a red herring.

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The word gets thrown around loosely in the US. Socialism is a mode of production, it's not the degree of state intervention in the economy. Mussolini wasn't a socialist, neither was Franco, neither is Putin. In the 20th century, socialism became synonymous with Leninism in the US. The communist revolutions of this era all followed a Marxist-Leninist template. The USSR, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba etc all took a vanguardist approach to implementing socialism.

The US has become by degrees more socialistic than it was in 1776.  Frankly, I've seen the No True Socialist fallacy used before, and I don't find your version very compelling or clever.

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As for the original topic:
yes, global communism is inevitable. When you imagine the world 50, 100, 200 years from now do you see individuals owning bits of land and having other individuals produce for the land owners? Or do you see a cooperative society without individual ownership of the means of production? Our supply of cheap labor isn't going to last forever, eventually capitalism will be impossible. Capitalism will come to an end before human labor is entirely automated.

Capitalism is always and will always be possible.  Nothing humans can do can make capitalism not possible.


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Re: Global Socialist Revolution
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2011, 04:14:48 PM »
Well, at least Askasocialist knew when he was defeated. I'm hoping he is questioning his assumptions and having it out with his Marxist professors who over charged him to indoctrinate him.
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Re: Global Socialist Revolution
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2011, 07:02:17 PM »
I spent the first 15 years of my Army career waiting to go tank to tank with the f*cking Communists on the North German Plain against very bad odds if it ever came to that (And young people now have no idea just how real that prospect was), or sitting on strategic missile targets they had had dialed in for years.  There is no way in Hell I'm going to vote in the cocksuckers or their little brothers, the Socialists.

Hear, hear.

I spent the better part of my youth from the ages of 17-30 either sitting on one of those missile platforms, or on submarines whose job it was to kill their missile platforms and anything else that might conceivably be used to project power beyond their shores.  I have no intention of handing over a country I defended for over half my adult life to someone who would eagerly piss on it given half a chance.

Not only no, commie shitstain, but **** NO.
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