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Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« on: November 12, 2008, 03:33:11 PM »

this ought to be fun to watch.  I am going to start my own carbon trading company;  I think I will call it WEnron.  I'll make a zillion dollars. :-)

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Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President-elect Barack Obama will act against climate change early in his presidency, an environment adviser said on Wednesday amid doubts that a U.S. carbon-capping program will be in place before 2010.

"The president-elect will move quickly on climate change," Jason Grumet, the Obama campaign's lead energy and environment adviser, told a conference on carbon trading.

Grumet, who has been mentioned as a possible choice for the new U.S. administration's energy secretary, told the group of business and policy-making specialists: "My suggestion to all of you is to enjoy the holiday season ... and rest up because I think it's going to be a very, very busy 2009."

He offered no specifics and answered no questions. He noted that the United States has "operated absent a federal climate policy, a federal climate program with mandatory elements, for many, many years now."

The United States is alone among major industrialized nations in rejecting the carbon-capping Kyoto Protocol, whose first phase runs out in 2012.

One deadline for crafting a follow-up international agreement is December 2009, when 190 nations plan to agree on a new climate deal in Copenhagen. But a U.S. senator and a climate change expert both expressed doubts there would be a U.S. cap-and-trade plan in place by then.

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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2008, 03:34:58 PM »
I miss "Global Warming". 
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008, 03:40:12 PM »
I'm guessing this will fall into that "actions people aren't going to take well" box, when the repercussions of it become plain.
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2008, 03:42:28 PM »
Quote from: BEG on November 12, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
I miss "Global Warming". 

he already fixed that.  notice how cold it has been lately? :-)  and the oceans are already receding. :hyper:
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2008, 04:40:54 PM »
This alone could mean another 1500-2000 point drop for the Dow.  :(
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2008, 04:45:36 PM »
He is going to demand that the Chicoms stop polluting?



Probably not huh. :banghead:
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2008, 04:49:13 PM »
Quote from: Carl on November 12, 2008, 04:45:36 PM
He is going to demand that the Chicoms stop polluting?



Probably not huh. :banghead:

Which ChiComs?  Tony Rezko?  Bill Ayers?
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2008, 04:49:28 PM »
Quote from: Uhhuh35 on November 12, 2008, 04:40:54 PM
This alone could mean another 1500-2000 point drop for the Dow.  :(

All part of the master plan to make the nationalization of 401Ks look like a good thing.

Freedom to make choices which one may profit from are a very bad thing to have in a public dependent,government controlled state.
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2008, 04:51:15 PM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on November 12, 2008, 04:49:13 PM
Which ChiComs?  Tony Rezko?  Bill Ayers?

In this case the ones who had to shut down all production to make sure the air was sort of clear enough to have the Olympics.
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2008, 04:52:16 PM »
Quote from: Carl on November 12, 2008, 04:51:15 PM
In this case the ones who had to shut down all production to make sure the air was sort of clear enough to have the Olympics.

So, not the ones that der Fuhrer has been palling around with for the past 20 years...
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2008, 04:54:21 PM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on November 12, 2008, 04:52:16 PM
So, not the ones that der Fuhrer has been palling around with for the past 20 years...

Nope,the ones he will be in the next 4...
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2008, 05:19:17 PM »
Assuming (and I don't) that humans are responsible for ALL the annual increase in atmospheric CO2, that would be THREE parts per million. The USA is down to generating less than hale the human caused CO2, China is not the top at over 50%.

So, if we reduce out CO2 PRODUCTION 40% OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS , that's less than 1 ppm per year. Or, something on the order of total 10 ppm by 2028. Or, no change in reality. That is, IF tghe current increase rate really is human related, and that remains not proved.

lower solar activity has resulted in lower temp.s here on the ground. What a shock, turn the thermostat down, the home cools off! SHOCKING  :thatsright:.

Nothing we do will alter the 3,000,000 year old ice age we've been all these millenia. 





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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2008, 05:25:07 PM »
Liberals need to stop exhaling to save the planet.   :fuelfire: :-)

I guess he'll start by bankrupting the entire coal industry first, then move on to eeeeevil oil companies.  If he could figger a way to bankrupt the sun he'd probably do that too.  Instead he'll probably demand a solar tax.
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2008, 05:35:01 PM »
Quote from: lug-nut on November 12, 2008, 05:25:07 PM
Liberals need to stop exhaling to save the planet.   :fuelfire: :-)

I guess he'll start by bankrupting the entire coal industry first, then move on to eeeeevil oil companies.  If he could figger a way to bankrupt the sun he'd probably do that too.  Instead he'll probably demand a solar tax.


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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2008, 05:43:13 PM »
Oh, and WATER VAPOR accounts for 90% of the greenhouse effect. Is THAT a polutant too? And as the earth's  surface is 70% water, how will the senile 5 deal with water vapor?

What shall we do, what shall we do?!    :sarcasm:
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2008, 06:37:53 PM »
Quote from: Peter3_1 on November 12, 2008, 05:43:13 PM
Oh, and WATER VAPOR accounts for 90% of the greenhouse effect. Is THAT a polutant too? And as the earth's  surface is 70% water, how will the senile 5 deal with water vapor?

What shall we do, what shall we do?!    :sarcasm:

well the sun released another comment..............."leave the fruits of my loins from this debate"
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2008, 06:38:54 PM »
If climate change is man made, why is the temp on mars going up?
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2008, 06:45:14 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on November 12, 2008, 06:38:54 PM
If climate change is man made, why is the temp on mars going up?

Cause we sent them Rovers there...........................DUH!!!!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2008, 06:47:02 PM »
Quote from: Crazy Horse on November 12, 2008, 06:45:14 PM
Cause we sent them Rovers there...........................DUH!!!!!!!


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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2008, 06:50:28 PM »
Quote from: Crazy Horse on November 12, 2008, 06:45:14 PM
Cause we sent them Rovers there...........................DUH!!!!!!!
Danged skippy we did!  We gots SUV's on Mars and da moon.   :-)
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2008, 06:53:36 PM »
Yeah... But they run on electricity.
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2008, 07:23:43 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on November 12, 2008, 06:53:36 PM
Yeah... But they run on electricity.

From the hot ball of global warming gas the sun.................DUH!!!
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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2008, 07:29:45 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on November 12, 2008, 06:53:36 PM
Yeah... But they run on electricity.
Actually they run on high sulfur coal and spotted owl feathers.  We just told everyone they were electric.   :uhsure:
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2008, 07:31:07 PM »
I was wondering what had happened to my spotted owl.  I thought my cougar ate it.

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Re: Obama will act quickly on climate change: adviser
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2008, 09:02:44 AM »
Quote from: Uhhuh35 on November 12, 2008, 04:40:54 PM
This alone could mean another 1500-2000 point drop for the Dow.  :(

I'm not so sure, a lot of the impact has to have already been discounted by any trader who isn't a complete idiot; bringing us closer to Kyoto was in the cards even with McCain (another reason Conservatives were underwhelmed by him).
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