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The insanity of blaming Islam
« on: April 21, 2013, 03:57:40 AM »
This just pisses me the **** off.  :argh:
 :stoner: Oh, it's not Islam teaching muslims to kill other people in the name of Jihad, it's that America has guns...

I really truely want to... No, I won't say it.

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Ambinder: The insanity of blaming Islam
We are still speculating about virtually everything right now, but I feel as though I need to explain why I find the quick and easy conversation about Muslims being radicalized in America to be so illogical and laced with bigotry.

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But when a white kid murders dozens of children, we don't ask whether the predominant Christian religion in America somehow radicalized him, or whether his upbringing was somehow less American than anyone else's. Stupid questions! Glad we don't ask them.

It is far more plausible that American gun culture, the way that Americans are uncomfortable with people who are different, the gaps in the mental heath system, and a hundred other things, some of which cannot ever be controlled, pushed these two men over the edge. If it was Islam, or a hidden network of radical jihadists, then these types of events would not be rare in America. That they are is the answer to whether Islamic radicalization is a problem that Americans can and must contend with by stigmatizing Muslims.

What is it about America that so alienates young men?

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http://theweek.com/article/index/243051/the-insanity-of-blaming-islam
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2013, 04:16:03 AM »
How did "America's gun culture" lead them to pipe bombs and pressure cooker IED's?


How did "America's gun culture" turn them to radicalized Islam?


You Liberal f**ktards need to quit turning away from reality and realize Islam is NOT our friend and it never will be.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2013, 06:06:11 AM »
Well, just call me a bigot, a big old bigot, because I blame Islam and every one of them is "suspect" in my book.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2013, 06:11:19 AM »
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The writer is insane. So blinded by his own desperate ideology that he's unwilling to acknowledge any form of truth. The basic religion of Islam is not to blame. But the militant, radicalized one that stirs up hate and fear in young men and teaches them that killing innocents is gods will and will send them to heaven IS responsible. You see, Marc, we don't blame Korean-American family structure because we can't recognize the difference between a random act and a pattern. There is a pattern of young men being radicalized via militant, fundamentalist Islam and then carrying out terror attacks (and being honored as martyrs after). You can deny it all you want, but that's fact. You can keep telling yourself that there are equal odds of Jews, Christians, Catholics, Buddhists, Koreans, Brazilians, or whatever other group being a terrorist as Muslims. However, you'll only be fooling yourself.

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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2013, 06:43:40 AM »
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University of Connecticut professor Emma Gilligan, an expert on Russian history and Chechnya, said depending on Tamerlan’s contacts in Dagestan, he could have been exposed to an “extremely radical Islamic insurgency” looking to create an Islamic state from the Black to the Caspian seas.

“We don’t know” what contacts he had, “but it’s a line of questioning that people would begin to ask now,” Gilligan said, adding that “some of the most powerful and influential Jamaats,” or Islamic networks, exist in the region.

“And there have also been terrorist acts in Dagestan,” she added. “It has become one of the central bases for operations staged by radical Islamic fighters.”

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/pair_arrested_as_terror_investigation_broadens

Tamerlan was influenced by his roots, which is heavily steeped in "extremely radical Islamic insurgency."   Dear dad had to have known what his son was up to when coming for holiday also.   
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2013, 06:49:26 AM »
You mother****ers would have thrown every conservative in jail to rot away forever if your dreams of this being RW had come true.
Now when you find that it is as expected a fellow America hater you have pity for them.

I truly hope you all die slow and painfully.  :bird:
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2013, 07:40:57 AM »
You could just as easily argue that America is a country whose media projects instant gratification (crimes solved in an hour TV show, instant sex with hot women, etc...) and when it never happened to them they got mad.

Nutjob spent 6 months in a terrorists hotbed. He linked to videos of a radical muslim clerics. But never mind all that, it was a gun culture.  :mental:

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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2013, 07:44:21 AM »
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Stick to the script, people!
Up to now the enemy has been innocent Americans who's only crime has been to defeat Obama's Gun Bill. Those law abiding free gun owners are the enemy, not some mooselimb terrorist! Terrorists are nothing compared to the bloody purge will will unleash if we get guns away from free men and women!

Focus, people. The enemy is people who see guaranteed freedoms in the constitution and not the glories of Obama or the new socialist nation. Terrorists in our midst only encourage people to cling to God and guns even more than they did before.

So stop with speaking truth about muslim terrorists, and start blaming people who have nothing to do with the bombing. The glorious leader is reading this and will reward you cretins...but only if you stay on script.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2013, 07:48:03 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on April 21, 2013, 06:43:40 AM
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/pair_arrested_as_terror_investigation_broadens

Tamerlan was influenced by his roots, which is heavily steeped in "extremely radical Islamic insurgency."   Dear dad had to have known what his son was up to when coming for holiday also.   

I agree.

If you listen to his comments when asked about his sons, he blames EVERYTHING ELSE except his sons.  No different from what is said by the moronic, middle-eastern mob of muzzies and their mullahs.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2013, 08:02:46 AM »
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/04/20/maher-guest-defending-islam-wake-boston-bombing-thats-lberal-bulls-t

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BILL MAHER, HOST: So you're obviously the perfect person to have here today. You study this all the time, the mind of crazy people who do horrible things. I'm always interested to know how people like the people we caught today up in Boston can have two minds going at the same time. I mean, if you read what the older brother wrote on his, on the internet, he said his world view: Islam. Personal priorities: career and money. And we see this a lot. I mean, the 9/11 hijackers went to strip clubs the night before they got on the plane.

BRIAN LEVIN, DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF HATE AND EXTREMISM AT CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY, SAN BERNADINO: Could I just interject? Look, it's not like people who are Muslim who do wacky things have a monopoly on it. We have hypocrites across faiths, Jewish, Christian who say they're out for God and end up doing not so nice things.

MAHER: You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? That's, that’s liberal bullshit right there. I mean, yes, all faiths…

LEVIN: There are no Christian hypocrites?

MAHER: No, there are.

LEVIN: You make a career on that.

MAHER: They just, they're not as dangerous. I mean, there's only one faith, for example, that kills you or wants to kill you if you draw a bad cartoon of the prophet. There’s only one faith that kills you or wants to kill you if you renounce the faith. An ex-Muslim is a very dangerous thing. Talk to Salman Rushdie after the show about Christian versus Islam. So, you know, I’m just saying, let's keep it real.

LEVIN: Well, I guess I have a girl for you, Pam Geller you could maybe meet. No, I really disagree with you.

MAHER: I don't know what that means.

LEVIN: Well, she’s an Islamaphobe. But, no I…

MAHER: I’m not an Islamaphobe. That’s wrong. I am a truth lover. All religions are not alike. As many people have pointed out, “The Book of Mormon.” Did you see the show?

LEVIN: No, it's hard to get tickets.

MAHER: Okay, can you imagine if they did "The Book of Islam?" Could they do that? There’s only one religion that threatens violence and carries it out for things like that. Could they do “The Book of Islam” on Broadway?

LEVIN: Possibly so.

MAHER: Possibly so? Tell me what color the sky is in your world.

LEVIN: Here's my difficulty with your premise here, Bill, and that is look at how religions over history have had things done in their name that have been terrible.

MAHER: Absolutely. But we're not in history. We're in 2013.

LEVIN: But what I would tell you…

MAHER: You're right, during the Middle Ages, I would say Christianity was the bigger problem.

LEVIN: If I may, though. You are making an error in that Islam has over 1.4 billion adherents. There’s a heterogeneity to it. Are there extremists who are horrible people who would slit your throats? Yes. But there are also folks that are fine, upstanding people.

MAHER: Of course.

LEVIN: And I'm very worried you have a national audience where we're promoting Islamic hatred.

MAHER: No, you're wrong about that and you're wrong about your facts. Now, obviously, most Muslim people are not terrorists, but ask most Muslim people in the world, if you insult the prophet, do you have what's coming to you. It's more than just a fringe element.

And here's a thread at DU that was locked discussing Bill Maher, it wouldn't be locked if they were discussing Christianity:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022713431#post21


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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2013, 08:24:12 AM »
Its looking more and more like Maher is changing his stripes again and is swinging back toward Libertarian thinking. First he anti- Caifornia taxation rant, and now this ?

..or maybe the dude likes to be contrary when it's cool - because it makes him money..   :whatever:

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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2013, 09:02:59 AM »
Quote from: miskie on April 21, 2013, 08:24:12 AM
Its looking more and more like Maher is changing his stripes again and is swinging back toward Libertarian thinking. First he anti- Caifornia taxation rant, and now this ?

..or maybe the dude likes to be contrary when it's cool - because it makes him money..   :whatever:

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And now swinging Libertarian again because it's safe to do so without being automatically dubbed a racist..

He's a major capitalist, and it's becoming more and more evident.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2013, 09:17:17 AM »
Quote from: miskie on April 21, 2013, 08:24:12 AM

..or maybe the dude likes to be contrary when it's cool - because it makes him money..   :whatever:


^^^ This.

He and O'Reilly are exactly the same way in this aspect.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2013, 09:46:15 AM »
What I would like to know is who funded this?  Neither had a job.  How did he fund his 6 month trip to Russia last year?   

Did his wife's parents fund this unknowingly, or is the British media correct that there is a sleeper cell here in MA?

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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2013, 09:57:58 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on April 21, 2013, 09:46:15 AM
What I would like to know is who funded this?  Neither had a job.  How did he fund his 6 month trip to Russia last year?   

Did his wife's parents fund this unknowingly, or is the British media correct that there is a sleeper cell here in MA?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/04/we-have-no-doubt-the-brothers-were-not-acting-alone-fbi-hunting-12-member-jihad-terror-sleeper-cell-.html
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2013, 10:02:27 AM »
Essays you'll never see at DU:

The insanity of blaming the RW...

The insanity of blaming free markets...

The insanity of blaming Israel...
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2013, 10:05:32 AM »
Bull shitttt. our culture goes back a few hundred years.   It began as a survival method, to feed and clothe ourselves in a new unknown world that seemed to stretch forever West.

What is the culture of the far east, wars using weapons against those the wished to overtake. Thousands of years of history of violence against each other.  Was their culture built on those who went into battle with spears and a shield.  Oh those damn cross bows and the catapult to throw flaming oil into a city ??

Our culture was to head west peacefully, find land and settle on it.   Our culture with guns is for self defence not for the subjection of other lands.  

To blame our culture of self defence today on a reason to be attacked end mass by crazies from the East is insane.   So if everyone in America had no self defence, would that mean the terrorists would become friendly with us as we would become willing slaves to their needs ?

As long as we allow non Americans into the country, we invite in the enemy.  We Americans are so naive about the wicked in the world.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2013, 10:38:40 AM »
Good points vesta  :)

It's obvious the hate-America-first crowd know nothing of history or Islam.  What they can't wrap their heads around is that Islam wants to control the world and turn everyone into a believer. We have separation of Church and State. Islam cannot be divided that way.  Islam is not just a religion, it's also a form of Government.

Their goal is to take over the world through jihad.  Yes there are different meanings to jihad.  You have the terrorist wing, but then you also have the groups like the Muslim Brotherhood who are infiltrating our government.  Appears they are being quite successful too.


 
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2013, 03:07:20 PM »
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Ambinder: The insanity of blaming Islam
We are still speculating about virtually everything right now, but I feel as though I need to explain why I find the quick and easy conversation about Muslims being radicalized in America to be so illogical and laced with bigotry.

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But when a white kid murders dozens of children, we don't ask whether the predominant Christian religion in America somehow radicalized him, or whether his upbringing was somehow less American than anyone else's. Stupid questions! Glad we don't ask them.

It is far more plausible that American gun culture, the way that Americans are uncomfortable with people who are different, the gaps in the mental heath system, and a hundred other things, some of which cannot ever be controlled, pushed these two men over the edge. If it was Islam, or a hidden network of radical jihadists, then these types of events would not be rare in America. That they are is the answer to whether Islamic radicalization is a problem that Americans can and must contend with by stigmatizing Muslims.

What is it about America that so alienates young men?
Yeah about that "Blaming Islam is insane"   http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844#.UXM54Yqm6hA.twitter Good call retards! Your stupidity is legendary now!  :lmao:
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2013, 05:13:55 PM »
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But when a white kid murders dozens of children, we don't ask whether the predominant Christian religion in America somehow radicalized him, or whether his upbringing was somehow less American than anyone else's. Stupid questions! Glad we don't ask them.

No, what the left does is worse.  You want to disarm millions of law abiding gun owners and blame the "gun culture" for every shooting that happens.  Yet you morons get pissy at any suggestion that terrorism is the fundamental tenet of Islam.  Stupid scrunt.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2013, 05:44:33 PM »
Quote from: vesta111 on April 21, 2013, 10:05:32 AM
Bull shitttt. our culture goes back a few hundred years.   It began as a survival method, to feed and clothe ourselves in a new unknown world that seemed to stretch forever West.

What is the culture of the far east, wars using weapons against those the wished to overtake. Thousands of years of history of violence against each other.  Was their culture built on those who went into battle with spears and a shield.  Oh those damn cross bows and the catapult to throw flaming oil into a city ??

Our culture was to head west peacefully, find land and settle on it.   Our culture with guns is for self defence not for the subjection of other lands.  

To blame our culture of self defence today on a reason to be attacked end mass by crazies from the East is insane.   So if everyone in America had no self defence, would that mean the terrorists would become friendly with us as we would become willing slaves to their needs ?

As long as we allow non Americans into the country, we invite in the enemy.  We Americans are so naive about the wicked in the world.

We didn't always move west peaceably Vesta. I know the dog eat dog world of survival of the fittest with cultures so I don't dwell on pst wrongs, but Native American peoples did have some pretty shitty things done to them along the way. Yes, some were fighters and fought against it and even initiated it. they engaged in the battle, but others didn't. Your point still stands though that in the bloody history of the Middle East, our 'crimes' and indiscretions are a flash in the pan by comparison and our culture overall is far more civilized and geered toward second chances and freedom.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2013, 10:55:07 PM »
They are stupid and naive.  :mental:
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2013, 11:22:13 PM »

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7. When Timmy Mcveigh turned out to have radical Christian ties, questioning

The role of radical Christian organizations was entirely appropriate. Radical Islamist organizations preach jihad against us. We should be concerned. We should monitor their activities. We should, within our constitutional framework, seek to prevent the next attack, learning from our failure to prevent this one.

Gun control is indeed a related and very relevant issue. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2013, 01:27:30 AM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on April 21, 2013, 10:02:27 AM
Essays you'll never see at DU:

The insanity of blaming the RW...

The insanity of blaming free markets...

The insanity of blaming Israel...

Exactly.  When Muslims bomb maim shoot and kill Americans we're told "it's a lone wolf...they acted alone...we can't blame Islam...we've got to look for a deeper meaning".


Tim McVeigh (not a Republican and not a Christian) or Eric Rudolph do what they did and suddenly it's representative of every single Conservative/Republican/TEA Party member from Sarah Palin down to you and me.

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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Re: The insanity of blaming Islam
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2013, 09:54:14 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on April 22, 2013, 01:27:30 AM
When Muslims bomb maim shoot and kill Americans we're told "it's a lone wolf...they acted alone...we can't blame Islam...we've got to look for a deeper meaning".

Tim McVeigh (not a Republican and not a Christian) or Eric Rudolph do what they did and suddenly it's representative of every single Conservative/Republican/TEA Party member from Sarah Palin down to you and me.

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

That is true. Unlike the guy who aborted Killer Tiller....
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