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Why Marxism is on the rise again
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/04/the-return-of-marxism

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Class conflict once seemed so straightforward. Marx and Engels wrote in the second best-selling book of all time, The Communist Manifesto: "What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable." (The best-selling book of all time, incidentally, is the Bible – it only feels like it's 50 Shades of Grey.)

Today, 164 years after Marx and Engels wrote about grave-diggers, the truth is almost the exact opposite. The proletariat, far from burying capitalism, are keeping it on life support. Overworked, underpaid workers ostensibly liberated by the largest socialist revolution in history (China's) are driven to the brink of suicide to keep those in the west playing with their iPads. Chinese money bankrolls an otherwise bankrupt America.

The irony is scarcely wasted on leading Marxist thinkers. "The domination of capitalism globally depends today on the existence of a Chinese Communist party that gives de-localised capitalist enterprises cheap labour to lower prices and deprive workers of the rights of self-organisation," says Jacques Rancière, the French marxist thinker and Professor of Philosophy at the University of Paris VIII. "Happily, it is possible to hope for a world less absurd and more just than today's."

That hope, perhaps, explains another improbable truth of our economically catastrophic times – the revival in interest in Marx and Marxist thought. Sales of Das Kapital, Marx's masterpiece of political economy, have soared ever since 2008, as have those of The Communist Manifesto and the Grundrisse (or, to give it its English title, Outlines of the Critique of Political Economy). Their sales rose as British workers bailed out the banks to keep the degraded system going and the snouts of the rich firmly in their troughs while the rest of us struggle in debt, job insecurity or worse. There's even a Chinese theatre director called He Nian who capitalised on Das Kapital's renaissance to create an all-singing, all-dancing musical.

They keep on pushing and pushing.

There can only be one possible outcome and they won't like the ending.

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uhhh, maybe because Marx/Engels were right about just about everything?

BTW, "Marx's General", a biography of Engles by Tristram Hunt is a damn good book.

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4. Capitalism is the chief cause of socialism. Socialism is the chief cause of capitalism.

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Hail Eris. All Hail Discordia.

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6. That is so true. I like the European idea of a marriage of BOTH systems.

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Well regulated capitalism with heavy taxes on the wealthiest.

On edit: And NO privatization of those services best handled by the government: military, prisons, schools, water supplies. In fact, there are way too many corporations in a feeding frenzy on the government tit that those same corporations so love to hate.

Making health care, with not one dime required to go to a health insurance company, a universal right is a really good place to start. And regulating the pharmaceutical industry theft of the money of the people of the USA is another good place to start.

Americans should not be having to pay more PHARMACEUTICAL TAXES to big pharma to insure that they can develop better drugs to charge ONLY THE USA more for.

I love it. The DUmmies always espouse a bigger Government but are always complaining about how the Government is screwing them.

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not to go down the road most Marxist states do; ending up a bloated corpse of over-regulation and poverty like the Soviet Union did.

At least in capitalist countries, there's the illusion that one can raise themselves up; I'd argue the worst class divisions were in the old Soviet Union more so then capitalist countries at the time. One needs to be very careful about Marxism, as it's a good idea on paper, but it's executions have been utterly horrible thusfar.

Not to mention if you disagree, it's the Gulag for you.

Either the DUmbass is not long for this world or he truely believes that our elitist liberals/Marxists are smarter that the other elitist liberals/Marxists that have tried and failed elsewhere.



Come to think of it, unions do create jobs. Companies have to hire two workers to do the work of one.

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Re: Queer lauds the rise of Marxism- I'd bet he owns a Che T-shirt.
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 09:48:51 AM »
DUmmie said, "In fact, there are way too many corporations in a feeding frenzy on the government tit that those same corporations so love to hate."

...and what part of the budget is the biggest tit suckers......entitlements...in other words, DUmmies and their freebies.



“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."  Stalin

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Re: Queer lauds the rise of Marxism- I'd bet he owns a Che T-shirt.
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2012, 10:48:24 AM »
The simple fact that communism/socialism/fascism have an 0 and 240 record does not phase them at all. Just need to have the right people in control and it will be Utopia.
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Re: Queer lauds the rise of Marxism- I'd bet he owns a Che T-shirt.
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2012, 11:48:46 AM »
The simple fact that communism/socialism/fascism have an 0 and 240 record does not phase them at all. Just need to have the right people in control and it will be Utopia.
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