Thug gets 161 years for 7 armed robberies - DUmmies upset

[Tucker]

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Swede (26,710 posts)

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Florida 'first time offender' gets 161 years in prison.


Isn't this literally cruel & unusual punishment?

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It is not clear why prosecutors decided to throw the full weight of the law at Davis.

Florida, though, has a history of “very zealous” prosecutions, according to Marc Mauer, executive director of the Washington-based Sentencing Project, which advocates for reform in the criminal-justice system.

For example, Florida leads in the number of juveniles sentenced to life without parole for lesser crimes than murder, sentences the Supreme Court declared to be unconstitutional in 2010. Florida and other states are now trying to determine how to resentence or grant parole to inmates affected by that ruling.

According to a recent study by the Pew Center on the States, Florida was first, among the 35 states reporting, in increases in time served in its prisons from 1990 to 2009.

http://www.barrysbaythisweek.com/2012/07/04/florida-first-time-offender-gets-161-years-in-prison

I have no idea why the DUmmy that made to OP didn't bring over a quote the was relevant to the title.

This from the link:

...Davis was convicted of participating in a string of armed robberies in the Miami area in 2010...

Yo_Mama (2,504 posts)
44. It was seven armed robberies

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Also, according to the article, he was convicted of shooting at a person outside a Wendy's.

I agree that the sentence is too long. But I don't think a person convicted of seven armed robberies should get the same sentence as a person convicted of one.

What's more troublesome is that everyone else charged cut a plea and testified against him, thereby getting much shorter sentences. One suspects that he may not have been the shooter, because it sounds like he isn't the brightest guy. He was on SS Disability at the time of committing these crimes.

lpbk2713 (21,241 posts)
2. His prosecution was on the Federal level and you are holding the State of Florida accountable.

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Can you elaborate?

Can't blame Holder. He's a good democrat. Gotta blame the rethugs.

underseasurveyor (6,287 posts)
59. The young man has a medical/chemical brain disorder.

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He's bi-polar. Toss in poor and black, and has a learning disorder and there ya go. *BANG* Give him life. Because we all know that young people never do anything stupid or desperate and they certainly never ever change or learn from their mistakes.

How nice of you to be so willing to toss this guy in prison for the entire duration of his life. Hey I guess the up-side is he'll be sure to get the meds he needs and maybe an education. So yea, you can sleep better now.

Funny, I bet when Mr. Davis is off his meds he probably doesn't feel any sympathy either.

Things like underseasurveyor need to be wiped off the fave of the earth.

Cerridwen (11,501 posts)
34. That system, which we call the 'legal system',

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is corrupt at its core. There are notable exceptions; notable due to their exceptional nature.

Should the accused be of the correct skin color, the correct economic class, the correct member of the dominant group that runs this country, they will be punished with...a slap on the wrist? A fine? But, of course, there are notable exceptions.

Should the accused be of the wrong skin color, the wrong economic class, and not a member of the dominant group, their punishment will be meted with extreme prejudice.

Should one cause the slow, painful, death of 100s, 1000s, millions, due to economic starvation through the use of spreadsheets, it is but a "white collar crime" and may result in a fine.

Should one commit the same crime, (armed with a gun rather than a spreadsheet), on a smaller scale, against economic interests, i.e., business, one is subjected to the full force of the law.

It would appear, that Justice is no longer blind and that the scales are out of balance.

But, then, I have a difficult time defending the letter of the law as the spirit of the law has long been exorcised from it. Nor, do I buy the trope that "it's business; nothing personal".

Such is the outlier that I am.

Except the guy with the spreadsheet didn't stick a gun in someone's face.

dionysus (21,270 posts)
28. he should get some time for armed robbery if he's guilty but WTF...

WTF indeed...

Life Long Dem (7,227 posts)
43. Wow

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If he was white, I bet he wouldn't have had this harsh of a sentence. I can't see this any other way. He had a string of robberies, but I see that as possibly a phase in his life. Maybe he was just hanging around with the wrong crowd. It still was his first offense. To throw away the keys and put him in jail for the rest of his life is too harsh. I read here someone driving a cab was robbed. But you got over it 3 weeks later when you could sleep again. This guy will be gone for life. Compare that to your 3 weeks.

  Just another phase in maturity. We'll stick it between puberty and adulthood.

xfundy (2,003 posts)
58. Forgive me, but I don't know-

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Isn't the guy still a kid? Just wondering.

I didn't read where he killed anyone.

Is rehabilitation out of the question?

Just wondering, not trying to stir up anything. It does seem like a harsh sentence for a first-time CAUGHT criminal. I can think of many repugs that got out of ANY sentence, even as they were molesting children or the nation itself.

Again, just wondering.

[Charles Henrickson]

161 years? Hey, look, it could've been worse. He coulda got life.

But I agree, 161 years is way too long. Cut it down to, say, 105.

[JohnnyReb]

What's the minimum sentence for someone that steals a DUmmies dope stash?

[andhe78]

I don't like this either, but simply because now taxpayers have to support him for the rest of his life.  I'd rather cut off a hand or two and let him go on his way.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Last I lived in FL they had a 10/20/Life gun law.

7 robberies where a gun was used to menace someone would probably account for 140 years of that sentence.

[Doc Savage]

When law abiding citizens are not allowed to even posess a hand gun in some cities, everyone is up in arms with an 18 year old having a handgun (bet it is not registered nor does he have a CCP) gets the book thrown at him for numerous counts of armed robbery.  Seems that the public defenders office mailed this one in. 

[Tucker]

I don't like this either, but simply because now taxpayers have to support him for the rest of his life.  I'd rather cut off a hand or two and let him go on his way.

Obama, is that you?

Isn't that moooslim justice?

Some liberal judge somewhere would order that I give him one of mine as I have two and he has none.

[Gina]

underseasurveyor (6,287 posts)
59. The young man has a medical/chemical brain disorder.

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He's bi-polar. Toss in poor and black,

are those two also considered illnesses?   

How racist!

[DumbAss Tanker]

I don't buy the idea that he was actually mentally handicapped just because he was on SS disability for that, in the current environment of how that program is misused it is just as likely to show he is an accomplished con artist.

[dane]

Here is one of the areas where I look at things way differently than the DUmmies.

Life Long Dem (7,227 posts)
43. Wow

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If he was white, I bet he wouldn't have had this harsh of a sentence. I can't see this any other way. He had a string of robberies, but I see that as possibly a phase in his life. Maybe he was just hanging around with the wrong crowd. It still was his first offense. To throw away the keys and put him in jail for the rest of his life is too harsh. I read here someone driving a cab was robbed. But you got over it 3 weeks later when you could sleep again. This guy will be gone for life. Compare that to your 3 weeks.

  It may well be his first conviction, but it most certainly was NOT his first offense.  He had a string of offenses.  He was/is a serial offender.

[vesta111]

Last I lived in FL they had a 10/20/Life gun law.

7 robberies where a gun was used to menace someone would probably account for 140 years of that sentence.

This works well, get 4 people together and plan a few robberies, you are the only one with a gun.

Insist the dufas person hold the gun and all back him up. Everyone splits almost equal except for the dufas dude that is happy to receive enough money to buy drugs for a week.   All goes well and the dufas is showered with praise and good Job from the 4 of you.  The 4 pay off their bills and the dufas gets another 7 days of LA_LA land.

The 4 of you know that somewhere down the line this will all fall apart perhaps dufas will actually shoot someone or panic and run.   No problem, soon as caught all 4 of you turn on the dufas guy and the poor SOB goes away for 100 years and the rest of you walk out with perhaps time served for finking him out.

Off goes Dufas to get an education and perhaps if lucky mental health care.    Down the line some Lawyer finds a misplaced comer or period in the records and demands a second trial.  Now what, the state finds you and 3 others are all dead due to mischief and Mr. Dufas with an education is released.    

Who wins this round, one never knows.

[Vagabond]

Life Long Dem (7,227 posts)
43. Wow

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If he was white, I bet he wouldn't have had this harsh of a sentence. I can't see this any other way. He had a string of robberies, but I see that as possibly a phase in his life. Maybe he was just hanging around with the wrong crowd. It still was his first offense. To throw away the keys and put him in jail for the rest of his life is too harsh. I read here someone driving a cab was robbed. But you got over it 3 weeks later when you could sleep again. This guy will be gone for life. Compare that to your 3 weeks.

I know a man who was once a friend of mine who has gone through those phases.  It started with suspensions and truancy in high school, along with a few keggers.  He was hooked on alcohol when he was fourteen.  I don't know what all he is into now, but more than just the booze.  His punishment at home was $10/hr plus a brand new paid for truck with no need to pay gas or insurance.

He then had a string of abusive relationships which ended in restraining orders that he always broke.  When he was sentenced at 17 to a rehabilitation through work facility, he failed to report.  He was never held to account for that.

Then, while out on parole, drunk and high as usual, for one of the violations, he crashed into a deputy and his wife.  He was sentenced to one year work release, at his dad's business of course.  After about a month, he figured out how to get his paycheck before the end  of the day, and off he went.  He was dropped off stoned and drunk at his parents house two weks later.  He got picked up for escape and spent four years as a guest of the state.

He got out and had to serve supervised house arrest, in less than two months he took off again and had to finish his sentence in jail. 

He got out in November of last year.  In late March he was drunk and high while driving his mother's car when he ran over a guy riding a bicycle.  He then dragged the bike a half mile underneath his car, and only stopped long enough to throw the bike into a ditch.  He was on facebook bragging how he was going to enjoy the beach the next day.  The guy that he hit died a week later.

Guess he finally got through all of his phases.

[Happy Fun Ball]

What's the minimum sentence for someone that steals a DUmmies dope stash?

24 business hours.

[dandi]

The good news is he'll probably only have to serve 60-70 years of that sentence. You have to learn to look on the bright side of things, DUmmies.

[Gina]

I know a man who was once a friend of mine who has gone through those phases.  It started with suspensions and truancy in high school, along with a few keggers.  He was hooked on alcohol when he was fourteen.  I don't know what all he is into now, but more than just the booze.  His punishment at home was $10/hr plus a brand new paid for truck with no need to pay gas or insurance.

He then had a string of abusive relationships which ended in restraining orders that he always broke.  When he was sentenced at 17 to a rehabilitation through work facility, he failed to report.  He was never held to account for that.

Then, while out on parole, drunk and high as usual, for one of the violations, he crashed into a deputy and his wife.  He was sentenced to one year work release, at his dad's business of course.  After about a month, he figured out how to get his paycheck before the end  of the day, and off he went.  He was dropped off stoned and drunk at his parents house two weks later.  He got picked up for escape and spent four years as a guest of the state.

He got out and had to serve supervised house arrest, in less than two months he took off again and had to finish his sentence in jail. 

He got out in November of last year.  In late March he was drunk and high while driving his mother's car when he ran over a guy riding a bicycle.  He then dragged the bike a half mile underneath his car, and only stopped long enough to throw the bike into a ditch.  He was on facebook bragging how he was going to enjoy the beach the next day.  The guy that he hit died a week later.

Guess he finally got through all of his phases.

Wow...... 

[Tucker]

The good news is he'll probably only have to serve 60-70 years of that sentence. You have to learn to look on the bright side of things, DUmmies.

I'll agree to the 60 with no parole. That's a BIG reduction. He can start counting the days.

[BlueStateSaint]

I know a man who was once a friend of mine who has gone through those phases.  It started with suspensions and truancy in high school, along with a few keggers.  He was hooked on alcohol when he was fourteen.  I don't know what all he is into now, but more than just the booze.  His punishment at home was $10/hr plus a brand new paid for truck with no need to pay gas or insurance.

He then had a string of abusive relationships which ended in restraining orders that he always broke.  When he was sentenced at 17 to a rehabilitation through work facility, he failed to report.  He was never held to account for that.

Then, while out on parole, drunk and high as usual, for one of the violations, he crashed into a deputy and his wife.  He was sentenced to one year work release, at his dad's business of course.  After about a month, he figured out how to get his paycheck before the end  of the day, and off he went.  He was dropped off stoned and drunk at his parents house two weks later.  He got picked up for escape and spent four years as a guest of the state.

He got out and had to serve supervised house arrest, in less than two months he took off again and had to finish his sentence in jail. 

He got out in November of last year.  In late March he was drunk and high while driving his mother's car when he ran over a guy riding a bicycle.  He then dragged the bike a half mile underneath his car, and only stopped long enough to throw the bike into a ditch.  He was on facebook bragging how he was going to enjoy the beach the next day.  The guy that he hit died a week later.

Guess he finally got through all of his phases.

How many years is he facing this time?  Not enough.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

How many years is he facing this time?  Not enough.

His parents and the state owe his victims.

[jtyangel]

I really loathe the way liberals seem to find mental health issues(and being 'poor' black, etc) as an excuse for bad behavior. I'd argue that there are probably mentally ill white people who are racists too. Why don't they excuse their behavior under the mental health umbrella of amnesty they have created? Oh I forget--white nutbags don't get the same leeway as minority nutbags.

One of the responsibilities of people with mental health issues to walk amongst the general public is their individual(and family's) ability to manage their issues. If someone is not doing that and it prompts them to criminal behavior well...I would argue most of the individuals in jail have some kind of personality disorder at least. Maybe DUers thinks we should just open up the damn gates and unleash every problem 'child' in the interest of pity over their disadvantaged beginnings.  I say every DUers for this rehabilitation thing be the ones to open their homes and their families to the devices of unmanaged mental health disorders and (very hard to treat) personality disorders. Of course not though, these retards always want this to be someone else's problem and when someone else takes it on the chin that person is supposed to suck it up and feel sorry for the offender while their property is stolen, destroyed, or their family members are gone. BULLSHIT! **** you, DU! Assholes...always defending the indefensible...always!

[jtyangel]

are those two also considered illnesses?   

How racist!

In DU land they are basically excuses for any criminal or disgusting behavior imaginable. Apparently if you are both poor and black you have no accountability for your behavior. What moron liberals don't realize is that blacks who would manipulate this understand their liberal guilt and use it to their advantage. The best thing I've ever seen to get an AA who is like this to reveal what a racist THEY are is to call their bluff and stand up to them and don't be sucked into that liberal guilt bs. The tirades the manipulators will go into and make themselves look like are legendary and I have found they lose a lot of ground in their own defense since it becomes apparently quickly that they are a manipulator. Apparently the smartest people on the planet can't seem to understand that blacks are human beings too capable of the same kind of manipulation and corruption as anyone else on this planet. They are foolish to human nature and always have been. It's why their policies are the failures they are because they never account for the worst of human nature.

[Chris_]

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[JohnnyReb]

Dude steals from the rich.... Oh, have some pity, some compassion for the disenfranchised, poor baby.

Dude steals dope from a DUmmie...hang the bastard. 

[Gina]

I really loathe the way liberals seem to find mental health issues(and being 'poor' black, etc) as an excuse for bad behavior.

If I was black I would be so offended that the liberals think that is all I am expected to be in life, a criminal.  It's expected ya know?

[jtyangel]

If I was black I would be so offended that the liberals think that is all I am expected to be in life, a criminal.  It's expected ya know?

I agree and its a shame to minorities have decided to take advantage of that philosophy to their own gain because all it does is perpetuate a stereotype those groups claim to want to distance themselves from.

[Ptarmigan]

7 armed robberies and 161 years. Sounds fair to me. I wonder if he committed more than 7. Also, armed robbers have it good in prison.