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America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?

Right-wing "Redcoat/Redhat" terrorists have openly proclaimed their goal of Americans fighting Americans in an ideological and racist war against democracy itself

Former Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney being booed in his own home state raise an urgent question: Are the Redcoats back?

The Republican party has now introduced over 300 pieces of legislation designed to make it more difficult for American citizens to participate in the process of selecting their representatives, the core function of a democratic republic.

They’ve also proposed or passed numerous laws criminalizing protest and dissent, primary American values written into the First Amendment, and given a “get out of jail free” card to people who kill protesters.

Today’s Republican party does not believe in democracy or the core idea on which this nation was founded:

“That all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” and “that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”


As we see with their support of Trump’s Big Lie, they have a serious problem with that “consent of the governed” part of the Declaration of Independence. And they’re pretty sketchy about that whole human “rights” thing.

If it seems like America is re-fighting the Revolutionary War or the Civil War, it’s because there’s a sizeable group of rightwing Americans who say that’s what they think they’re doing.

In both of those past wars, one group of Americans believed in the ideal of democracy and a republic deriving its authority from the will and consent of its people. On the other side, there were people who believed that democracy was a dangerous experiment and a grave mistake.

During the Revolutionary War the anti-democracy folks were called Tories or Loyalists, because they were loyal to the British king and believed that the best form of government was a kingdom, and that letting average people participate in democratic governance would lead to disaster.

That was solidly a third, perhaps even half, of the white people then living in North America: they were willing to fight and die to keep America part of the United Kingdom.

Those who opposed democracy on this continent had a lot of history on their side.

For most of the 7,000 years of recorded human history at that point, governments had been run either by kings who seized power through violence, or priestly theocrats who claimed that their authority to rule came from God. (In most cases, regardless of who ended up on top, there was an unholy alliance between the two.)

The British United Kingdom was just the latest, in 1776, in a long series of kingdoms that ruled every part of Europe; the Greek experiment with democracy was 3000 years old at that time, and the Roman experiment with a republican form of government had failed almost 2000 years earlier.

There were a lot of reasons back then to think that a democratic republic would be a terrible mistake.

The main one was that it hadn’t worked in thousands of years, and the ancient Greek and Roman experiments were considered by many — most, actually — to have been failed experiments.

People believed so strongly either in the Loyalist necessity of a royal family, or the Founders’ hope of a people engaged in self-rule, that families were literally torn apart, brother killing brother, neighbors turning firearms against each other.

By the time of the Civil War, 80 years later, there was still a debate about whether democracy was anything more than some kind of liberal, airy-fairy idea that really didn’t work out all that well.

But this time, those Americans who took up arms against democracy were not fighting on behalf of a church or a king. They were fighting to support the rich, the oligarchs of the deep South.

As I lay out in detail in my new book The Hidden History of American Oligarchy, between 1820 and 1860 the South underwent a radical consolidation of wealth and property.

The invention of the Cotton Gin and its adoption in the early 1820s allowed the few plantations wealthy enough to buy one to effectively wipe out their smaller competitors and buy up their land.

As a result, by 1860 virtually all of the most productive land, wealth and political power of the South was consolidated in the hands of just a few thousand families.

They did not believe in democracy either; they declared war on America specifically to end democracy and establish a continent-wide oligarchy: rule by the rich in an oligarchic police state as the South had become.

The North won and democracy prevailed, but the idea of oligarchy survived and has been persistent throughout American history.

This is what the Republican party now represents: Oligarchy.

Rule by the rich and ignoring “the consent of the governed.”

The suppression of dissent, the oppression of minorities, and replacing the ballot box with the iron fist of a police state run of, by and for the wealthy few.

And they’re pushing us there really hard and really fast:

A political network run by a group of right-wing billionaires has a larger budget and more employees than the entire Republican party.

A family of billionaire oligarchs from Australia crank democracy-hating propaganda into the American political bloodstream nearly every day on cable television and in print.

Voices openly denigrating democracy and promoting hate and intolerance — the hallmarks of oligarchy — are on local radio and television in every American city every single day, and dominate the Internet.

The single largest source of threats and murders by terrorists in America are today committed by white-supremacist right-wingers who hate and fear the idea of a pluralistic, democratic society.

Tragically, for the third time in our history, Americans who believe in democracy find themselves again having to defend themselves against Americans who don’t.

Several of these hard-right groups have openly declared their intention to start a second American Civil War.

They say they want to see Americans killing each other in the name of white supremacy and rule by the rich, and some have followed their suggestion.

They declare their loyalty to a white-supremacist real estate oligarch from New York, get their news from Australian and Ukrainian oligarchs, and have embraced an ideology championed by Germans in the 1930s.

They even adorn themselves in red and wear funny hats like the British loyalists did in revolutionary times.

The Biden presidency represents America’s third, and perhaps final, chance to prove democracy is not merely an idealistic fantasy.

If his administration and the Democrats in Congress can succeed in conquering the coronavirus, putting the American economy back on track, and rebuilding the civil society that 40 years of Reaganism has so devastated, American democracy — and, indeed, democracy around the world — may well endure and even grow.

But Republicans are doing everything they can to keep that from happening, from discouraging vaccination and public health measures, to sabotaging our election systems, to amplifying their rhetoric of hate and terror across multiple media platforms.

When “moderate” voices within their ranks, like Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney, dare pop their heads up, the majority of the Republican Party viciously attacks them.

Dissent is no longer allowed in the GOP.

Authoritarianism has prevailed.

Oligarchy has completely seized the party.

These, as Thomas Paine (a fervent believer in democracy) said, “are the times that try men’s souls.”

Long before actual conflict broke out, Paine wrote: “The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered…”

We must not let the right-wing Redcoat/Redhat terrorists, who have openly proclaimed their goal of Americans killing Americans in an ideological and racial war, prevail.

Somehow, Hartman twists the truth to be the Republicans are the 'Redcoats" and the "Confederacy"...

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1. First, game election outcomes by legislating voter participation in Democratic strongholds.

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3. Not exactly. Based on ideology & their own statements, they want Civil War 2.0. nt

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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2021, 09:39:00 AM »
It's funny how they denounced the American Revolution for decades as being nothing more than the establishment of systemic racism for rich slave owners.

Now that they stole the election they are seeking to co-opt the American legacy.

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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2021, 09:53:50 AM »
 :rotf: When did thomhartmann and NanceGreggs begin to co-habitate? :rotf:

tl;dr :rotf:
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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2021, 10:13:41 AM »
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Mitt Romney being booed signals that do-nothing republicans are no longer welcome in the party, not that we want the American Revolution or Civil War 2.0. What's the matter? I thought democrats hated republicans who don't stand for anything. We agree! That's why Mitt Romney was booed.

On the other hand, do democrats want those Revolutionary/Civil war? They give cover to domestic terrorists, and crooked cops and prosecutors in democrat-run cities ensure this. They want to teach a discredited version of American history to children in schools. They are using the pandemic to enact their authoritarian power fantasiees. They are exacting revenge on their political rivals. They fear audits of the 2020 election. They want to take credit for things achieved by Trump and state governments.The mainstream media effectively act as the party's propaganda wing, and constantly depict republicans in the worst possible light.

Dissent is no longer allowed in the (nominally) Democratic Party. 
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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2021, 11:31:07 AM »
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Mitt Romney being booed signals that do-nothing republicans are no longer welcome in the party, not that we want the American Revolution or Civil War 2.0. What's the matter? I thought democrats hated republicans who don't stand for anything. We agree! That's why Mitt Romney was booed.
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Respect should be earned. Romney has worked hard to earn the DISrespect he received.

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Former Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney being booed in his own home state raise an urgent question: Are the Redcoats back?

Nine years ago DUmmies were denouncing Romney as a reincarnation of Hitler, but Trump reconciled them. Is there any wondrous thing Trump can't do?! :rotf:
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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2021, 11:37:27 AM »
Respect should be earned. Romney has worked hard to earn the DISrespect he received.

Nine years ago DUmmies were denouncing Romney as a reincarnation of Hitler, but Trump reconciled them. Is there any wondrous thing Trump can't do?! :rotf:

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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2021, 11:44:09 AM »
Trump single-handedly killed comedy.  ...

It was euthanasia, putting "comedians" out of our misery.
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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2021, 11:46:50 AM »
I used to listen to TM in the late 90’s and early to mid 00’s mainly for the laughs. He was a Bernie clone. He hated the Biden’s of the Dem party. The TM of then would call the TM of now a corporate Dem sell-out.

It’s another way of pointing out how the primitives are inconsistent. TM should be anathema for his past, but as long as he tickles their ears they don’t care. TM is in it for the money, that’s very obvious as his worldview has evolved to line up with his wallet. That used to mean something to the primitives. Not now.

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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2021, 01:21:45 PM »
  The problem with his diatribe is starts out assuming we'd be Redcoats. The last time this country was freed from tyrants, the the good guys wore blue.  In honor of that first revolution, I think we should stay with the blue. You lefties can have red.  For some reason I think pink might be more appropriate.  Anything in a nice pastel.

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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2021, 01:42:34 PM »
Did the DUmp finish renovating a 4 screen drive in theater to 4K this weekend? Cause the projection levels are off the charts.
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Re: America Now On the Verge of Re-Fighting the American Revolution?
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2021, 05:50:17 PM »
The level of projection in this screed is ridiculous.
Let's take a little look- see:
"Right-wing "Redcoat/Redhat" terrorists have openly proclaimed their goal of Americans fighting Americans in an ideological and racist war against democracy itself"
Um, when, exactly?
 I haven't heard that from any prominent conservatives I can think of. I have, however, heard variations on it loads of time from the Left, openly encouraging their followers to viciously attack fellow Americans based on ideology (If the other person's ideology is conservative; Just look at mad Maxine Waters) and race (If the other person's race is white, look at the militant black supremacists on groups/ websites like The Root).

"They’ve also proposed or passed numerous laws criminalizing protest and dissent, primary American values written into the First Amendment, and given a “get out of jail free” card to people who kill protesters."
1. The Left believe that any conservative who openly expresses any kind of dissent against their actions is automatically an evil "White supremacist" who needs to be immediately arrested for committing a "Hate crime." The Left, including many right there on the DUmp, have openly proposed changing the First Amendment so that people and groups who disagree with them will no longer be protected by Freedom of Speech or Freedom of the Press. Speaking of the First Amendment, Democrat politicians have eagerly exploited the COVID pandemic to prohibit Christian churches in places like California from being able to hold in- person worship services (Never mind the fact that studies show that attendance of religious services has so far accounted for less than 1% of known COVID infections), thereby violating many Americans' rights to Freedom of Religion granted to them by the First Amendment. They also openly cheer on the Antifa and BLM rioters who turn entire cities into war zones.

2. "Today’s Republican party does not believe in democracy or the core idea on which this nation was founded:
“That all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” and “that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”"
Democrats/ Leftists only believe in democracy when it works in their favor (i.e. when their people get elected and their measures get passed); Whenever it doesn't, they shriek "ELECTION FRAUD" and use the courts to attempt to overturn the will of the American people. Case in point: Prop 8 back in 2008.

3. "In both of those past wars, one group of Americans believed in the ideal of democracy and a republic deriving its authority from the will and consent of its people. On the other side, there were people who believed that democracy was a dangerous experiment and a grave mistake."
I've seen plenty of people on the Left, including at the DUmp, who've expressed the latter of the two views (They usually try and defend this position by claiming that all Americans everywhere are brainless rednecks who don't know what's good for them and need to be "Saved from themselves"), yet have never seen any conservative do so.

4. "As I lay out in detail in my new book The Hidden History of American Oligarchy, between 1820 and 1860 the South underwent a radical consolidation of wealth and property."

Ah, so THAT'S what this rant is all about; It all boils down to just "BUY MY BOOK! BUY MY BOOK! BUY MY BOOK!" (Any one familiar with the awesome animated series 'The Critic' will recognize that quote).

5. "Voices openly denigrating democracy and promoting hate and intolerance — the hallmarks of oligarchy — are on local radio and television in every American city every single day, and dominate the Internet."
You got that right, but not in the sense you think; The Left has a stranglehold on most American media other than talk radio, and use it to openly preach hatred of Republicans, conservatives, Christians, white people, etc..

6. "The single largest source of threats and murders by terrorists in America are today committed by white-supremacist right-wingers who hate and fear the idea of a pluralistic, democratic society."
Any proof of this? No? Didn't think so.
btw, people like this guy believe conservatives who express views in opposition to their own should be classified as "Terrorists," yet generally DON'T believe Muslim jihadists who openly seek to annihilate America, OR violent black bloc Anarchist groups like Antifa that openly seek the violent overthrow of American society (They tend to use things like the George Floyd murder as excuses/ justifications to carry out their campaigns of violence, rioting, lawlessness, and indeed murder), should be classified as terrorists.

7. "Several of these hard-right groups have openly declared their intention to start a second American Civil War.

They say they want to see Americans killing each other in the name of white supremacy and rule by the rich, and some have followed their suggestion."
I haven't seen any reputable group or prominent conservative say anything along those lines. The only exceptions are the occasional lunatic fringe white- trash extremists that nearly all American conservatives openly condemn.
I have, however, seen many Leftists, including many at the DUmp, declare these things and similar things. The only difference is they want to see Americans killing each other in the name of supposedly fighting so- called "White supremacists" and "Fascists" (Both terms that the Left have perverted to mean anyone who openly expresses disagreement with any aspect of the liberal agenda) and rule by THEIR leaders. They have openly claimed that anyone expressing any view that disagrees with their own counts as a form of "Violence" and that one of their lunatic activists (Mainly from groups like Antifa and BLM) physically attacking them is thus a form of justifiable "Self- defense."

8. " and have embraced an ideology championed by Germans in the 1930s."

No prominent Republicans have expressed that, and you know it.
However, many prominent Democrats such as Alexandria Ocasio- Cortez have openly embraced an ideology championed by Russians years before that which has brought about a higher civilian death toll than the Third Reich could have ever dreamed of.

9. "They even adorn themselves in red and wear funny hats like the British loyalists did in revolutionary times."

Whereas many on your side adorn themselves in pink p*$$y hats.

10. "If his administration and the Democrats in Congress can succeed in conquering the coronavirus, putting the American economy back on track, and rebuilding the civil society that 40 years of Reaganism has so devastated, American democracy — and, indeed, democracy around the world — may well endure and even grow."

Most of the efforts to conquer COVID were things started by the Trump Administration yet which Biden is dead- set on claiming full credit for. As for the economy, Trump had been doing an awesome job of repairing all the economic damage that the Obama Administration had done, complete with record- lows in unemployment for blacks and Hispanics before COVID hit. Under Biden, let's just say that our skyrocketing gas prices aren't exactly a good sign, nor is the renewed push among Democrats to pass the so- called "Green New Deal," which is guaranteed to completely obliterate the US economy.

11. "But Republicans are doing everything they can to keep that from happening, from discouraging vaccination and public health measures, to sabotaging our election systems, to amplifying their rhetoric of hate and terror across multiple media platforms."
"Discouraging vaccination"? I am a teacher's assistant in Florida, and was able to get both doses of the Pfizer vaccine in March because Governor DeSantis, a REPUBLICAN, heavily lowered the vaccination age limit for educators as part of a push to get as many Florida schools completely opened up again as soon as possible. The vaccination age limit for Floridians currently stands at 18, with the age limit for the Pfizer vaccine now being down to 16. So, take that "Discouraging vaccination" BS claim and stick it up your butt sideways.

As for "Amplifying their rhetoric of hate and terror across multiple media platforms," look no further than the Left's use of the Internet and social media to openly preach hatred and promote violence against Republicans, conservatives, Christians, white people, etc., and their love of "Cancel culture" to silence any who publicly express any view at odds with their own.