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Antifa isn't a thing, though.... Right?
« on: April 30, 2021, 06:14:56 PM »
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Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX

Antifa Anarchists have posted a Video to Twitter via the @Knotathreat account threatening the life of Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler & continued destruction. Stating “Ted, we are asking for the last time that you resign. If you ignore this message outright the destruction to your precious way of life is going to escalate. Blood is already on your hands, Ted. But next time, it may just be your own.





https://www.koin.com/news/portland/fbi-ppb-investigating-video-threatening-mayor-wheeler/
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Re: Antifa isn't a thing, though.... Right?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2021, 06:24:38 PM »
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1. Antifa?
Never heard of 'em.
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Re: Antifa isn't a thing, though.... Right?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2021, 06:34:01 PM »
Never heard of 'em.

LOL Yup... These knobjobs over there.....

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9. I know, it just makes me laugh because... doesn't really exist except in the minds of right wingers

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2. Why do I smell B.S here? (not you BlueLucy, the article itself) n/t

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3. Proud Boy Provocateures

I'll bet you.
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8. I wouldn't take the bet because I wouldn't be at all surprised you're right

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4. Where are you getting what they said?

Its not in your link.
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5. I thought I just heard the other day there "is no" ANTIFA...

Hmmmm...
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6. Does this "small collective from within the anarchist and anti-facist community" give its name?

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Re: Antifa isn't a thing, though.... Right?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2021, 07:10:57 PM »
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Re: Antifa isn't a thing, though.... Right?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2021, 08:22:43 PM »
The first time I heard of antifa was around 2002 when I was hanging out and making fun of the quacks on SF Indymedia. For a group that doesn’t exist, they sure have done a terrible job of keeping their name and motives a secret.

Maybe the Portland mayor won’t take them serious since they don’t exist. I really don’t see a down side to any of this however it ends.

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2021, 10:01:52 PM »
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3. Proud Boy Provocateures

I'll bet you.

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Those are peaceful protests! Also, their rage is justified! Also, it's right wing provocateurs!!! Also, let's get them out of prison!

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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2021, 06:18:37 AM »
So, all of those videos showing people like the Proud Boys, or just conservatives in general, taking an ass whipping by some thug with a stick, that y’all cheer I might add, is just conservatives beating up other conservatives??

Wow, who’d a thunk it.

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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2021, 01:26:57 PM »
So, all of those videos showing people like the Proud Boys, or just conservatives in general, taking an ass whipping by some thug with a stick, that y’all cheer I might add, is just conservatives beating up other conservatives??

Wow, who’d a thunk it.

KC

PS; you have to be a REAL dumbass to think like that. Their pretzel logic never fails to amaze.
The clips I've seen showed the Proud Boys on the giving side of the ass whippings, but your point stands.  :-)

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2021, 12:19:00 AM »


   Dummie mode.  "Why'd you post a picture of de Amazon?

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2021, 05:22:17 AM »
   Dummie mode.  "Why'd you post a picture of de Amazon?

Because of Jeff Bezos' newsletter tells them what to think and say.
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2021, 09:50:05 AM »
Those are peaceful protests! Also, their rage is justified! Also, it's right wing provocateurs!!! Also, let's get them out of prison!

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Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX
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Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX

Antifa Anarchists have posted a Video to Twitter via the @Knotathreat account threatening the life of Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler & continued destruction. Stating “Ted, we are asking for the last time that you resign. If you ignore this message outright the destruction to your precious way of life is going to escalate. Blood is already on your hands, Ted. But next time, it may just be your own.

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Star Member soothsayer (37,112 posts)

1. Antifa?

 :whatever:

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Star Member Beaverhausen (23,800 posts)

7. from the article:

KOIN 6 has viewed the video, where the mayor’s address was also revealed. A voice narrating the video said they are from “a small collective from within the anarchist and anti-facist community.”

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Star Member soothsayer (37,112 posts)

9. I know, it just makes me laugh because... doesn't really exist except in the minds of right wingers

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Star Member BlueLucy (716 posts)

17. They call themselves that.

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3. Proud Boy Provocateures

I'll bet you.

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5. I thought I just heard the other day there "is no" ANTIFA...

Hmmmm...

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Star Member Kingofalldems (33,764 posts)

33. Trumpers posing as Antifa.

Just like they claimed Jan. 6 was Antifa. Remember that?


Hmmmmm.

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10. Antifa?

Really? KOIN is owned by Nexstar Media group from Irving , Texas. It’s rival is Sinclair Broadcasting. Just saying.. “Antifa” has turned into a boogeyman that does not exists..except in rw circles. “Antifa Anarchists” ? My Dear poster.. nope

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Star Member blm (106,646 posts)

12. Anarchists are NOT Antifa. They are antigovernment chaos addicts.

More aligned with RightWing groups like Boogaloos and sovereigns than with antifascists.

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15. Dead wrong.

There are as many types of Anarchists as there are types of Democrats. None of them are right-wingers. Most are devoted to peaceful lives, but take no shit from authoritarians, hence all will be anti-fascist. There might even be some around here ...

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Star Member PAMod (856 posts)

16. Huh? There are no right-wing anarchists?

Bullshit. Perhaps that’s not what you meant to say.

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Humanist_Activist (7,538 posts)

18. Anarchism is a left-wing phenomenon, there are people who call themselves....

Anarcho-Capitalists, but they are a little nutty, an offshoot of Libertarianism, usually support police and are generally authoritarian, in support of Capital.

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Star Member PAMod (856 posts)

47. "Lord of the Flies" devolves into anarchy

Would you categorize any of it as left wing?

Perhaps people who aspire to anarchy are left wing.

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Humanist_Activist (7,538 posts)

48. Uhm, no, no relation...

where was the mutualism, or getting rid of unjustified hierarchies in Lord of the Flies? Do you even know what I'm talking about? Why not start here. Anarchism isn't synonymous with anarchy as defined by the mainstream, usually as a stand in for chaos.

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21. That's right. No right-wing anarchists.

There are plenty of righty nihilists and vandals, but no actual anarchists. This is because the Right depends on authoritarianism and rigid hierarchies for it's very breath. Those things, and inequality, are the essence of what anarchists have always opposed.
Really, chaos is not the same as anarchy. Only in comic books.

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Star Member blm (106,646 posts)

26. I've run into RW anarchists. Boogaloos and antigovernment groups include anarchists.

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39. have you?

I think I'd call them something else. But if that's what they call themselves, wotcha gonna do. Anarchists have been the false target of a lot of police operations going way back to Haymarket, May Day. Sacco & Vanzetti, etc. I think they've taken enough hits for things they never did. Some are bitterly anti-govt, that's true, but you've met Boogers who claim to be anarchist? Maybe they likewise use a horizontal organisation or something, but Race War is not an anarchist ideal or tactic.
This alleged group (could be just one dude?) that threatened the Portland mayor just exposed themselves for a federal conspiracy charge. Most real anarchists are a little more savvy than that, but the RWrs seem go for that kind of thing.

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51. Hahahahaha!

Enjoy your short stay.

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52. Hahahahaha!

Enjoy your short perspective.

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13. I lulz'd

as president of the FLA cell, I can assure you it wasn't antifa.

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14. To those who dismiss this: Portland does have a community of Blac Bloc anarchists

And their primary motivation seems to be a nihilistic desire to cause chaos and destruction out of hatred for all police and government.

They are the ones who cause trouble at night after peaceful protestors go home. They are the ones who caused the Moms (forget the name of the group) to wear yellow shirts to stand out from the disruptors.

They are the ones who fight with the Proud Boys- without them, it would be easier for all to see the PB’s for the thugs they are.

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Humanist_Activist (7,538 posts)

22. Blac Bloc tactics call for property destruction, not death threats or even necessarily threats of...

violence at all. This doesn't seem to match the MO of such groups.



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Star Member Ka-Dinh Oy (11,080 posts)

19. Anarchist? Anti fascist?

How in the hell do they use them in the same sentence meaning something together? Their goals and beliefs are very different. The people who are claiming to be any of those working together are something completely different.

They need to look up the meanings of each in the dictionary.

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Humanist_Activist (7,538 posts)

20. Uhm, Anarchists are, by definition, anti-authoritarian, and hence most would be, by default...

anti-fascist.

Don't confuse Anarchism as a political movement and position with roots tracing back over 100 years with layman's term of using Anarchy as a synonym for chaos.

ON EDIT: Not saying that the people who posted this threat were either, most likely false flag or some fascists trying to discredit antifa groups.

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23. They call themselves that.

I don't know why. I lived in Portland for 35 years, recently moved. They're ruining the city. Businesses are leaving, restaurants no longer want to be there.. It's like Detroit in the 90's in a majority white city.

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25. Uhm, hyperbolic much? In addition, who is they? On top of that...

how is it in anyway like Detroit in the 1990s?

Do you even know why Detroit declined starting earlier than the 1990s, by the way?

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27. Not at all hyperbolic

PDX is my city that I love. Portland is known for their good food and drinks. Like Detroit and the auto industry..restaurants and baristas are leaving and not coming back. Also bullets flying in the streets everyday. lots of crime. It's a damn shame.

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28. Uhm, what?

Violent Gun Crime is trending upward nationwide, mostly related to spikes in unemployment and the pandemic destroying local economies, that also leads to businesses closing and or leaving many areas. But sure its anarchists.

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31. Uhm, that shows that Portland is matching trends of the 30 largest metro areas...

sad, yes, but most large metros have been stagnant or declining over the years.

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36. As far as I know, its still one of the safest cities in the country...

I live in one of the most dangerous, St. Louis, but again, that's relative to what neighborhoods you actually live in. I don't hear gun shots every night, did you?

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37. I did when I was in Portland

and my mom is still there and hears them every night.

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38. The problem is that its economic instability, both local and national, that is what is leading to uptick in crime in general, and the easy availability of firearms is, combined with this upswing in crime, is leading to more shootings and murders.

Up until that point, crime has been trending downward nationwide for years, there's probably a floor with shootings, there are way to many guns in this country, but economic stability leads to less crime. Poverty reduction and reducing income and racial disparities would reduce political instability and most property crime. Reducing the circulation of guns would reduce crimes involving them. You seem to be focusing on the wrong things.

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53. It could be ONE dude.

Black Bloc or Anarchist or Antifa or some other Leftist bent, or an Agent Provocateur.

No way to know until you find the dude who posted on Twitter.

It's not worth pulling your family out of Portland over.

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Re: Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2021, 09:22:07 AM »
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13. I lulz'd

as president of the FLA cell, I can assure you it wasn't antifa.

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Re: Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX
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1. Antifa?

don't worry, it's just an idea.  Ideas can't hurt you, right?
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Re: Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX
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22. Blac Bloc tactics call for property destruction, not death threats or even necessarily threats of...

violence at all. This doesn't seem to match the MO of such groups.

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13. I lulz'd

as president of the FLA cell, I can assure you it wasn't antifa.

So, is that a confession that there are multiple antifa cells across the country and they are communicating amongst themselves, coordinating their actions?
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Re: Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2021, 11:26:09 AM »
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ntifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX

Antifa Anarchists have posted a Video to Twitter via the @Knotathreat account threatening the life of Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler & continued destruction. Stating “Ted, we are asking for the last time that you resign. If you ignore this message outright the destruction to your precious way of life is going to escalate. Blood is already on your hands, Ted. But next time, it may just be your own.


At what point do you FINALLY deal with these punks? This is a clear threat on someone's life/city.
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So, is that a confession that there are multiple antifa cells across the country and they are communicating amongst themselves, coordinating their actions?

if so, it sounds like some sort of domestic terrorist organization that should be looked into.  I'm sure AG garland is on it...
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Re: Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX
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13. I lulz'd

as president of the FLA cell, I can assure you it wasn't antifa.


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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2021, 02:12:27 PM »
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38. The problem is that its economic instability, both local and national, that is what is leading to uptick in crime in general, and the easy availability of firearms is, combined with this upswing in crime, is leading to more shootings and murders.

Up until that point, crime has been trending downward nationwide for years, there's probably a floor with shootings, there are way to many guns in this country, but economic stability leads to less crime. Poverty reduction and reducing income and racial disparities would reduce political instability and most property crime. Reducing the circulation of guns would reduce crimes involving them. You seem to be focusing on the wrong things.



First. I’ll bet the gun ownership among rural people vs city folk is WAY higher percentage wise yet we’re not killing each other at the same rate, why?

Second. If these people REALLY believe these are right wing folks, why don’t they simply demand the cops shout them?  I’m good with it. Whether they’re right or left, you can’t let these assholes destroy your city, businesses, and neighborhoods.

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