A World Where George Floyd And Ma'Khia Bryant Would Still Be Here...

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Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (11,810 posts)


A World Where George Floyd And Ma'Khia Bryant Would Still Be Here Is A World Without Police

https://newsone.com/4143261/george-floyd-makhia-bryant-abolition-police/

Not only has there not been “justice,” there hasn’t been “accountability.” Chauvin hasn’t taken any responsibility for his actions, and neither have the three cops who stood by as he murdered Mr. Floyd. Cops across the country are trumpeting the trial as a miscarriage of justice. Militarized police preparations for anticipated protests of the trial’s outcome frame communities as enemy combatants. And the passage of laws across the country criminalizing dissent and authorizing violence against protesters demonstrate the stark reality that the verdict won’t do anything to protect Black communities facing brutal repression whenever we rise up in mourning and rage in the wake of each new police murder.

A single conviction of a single cop won’t change the system that produced and enabled him; in fact, it will embolden it to continue business as usual under the pretext that it can deliver justice. For every rare criminal conviction of a killer cop, thousands more Black people will be murdered, maimed, raped, criminalized and dehumanized without consequence. Since 2005 there have been 140 police arrests on murder or manslaughter charges, while cops have killed over 1000 people a year on average since at least 2014.

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Each of these prosecutions consumed tremendous amounts of resources while leaving a murderous system intact. Not one of them stopped the next killing. Yet each is offered up as an illusion that the system will somehow hold itself accountable. The state will gladly sacrifice a few officers in unique and spectacular cases to preserve the status quo while enabling policymakers to peddle the idea that justice has been done.

Policymakers are already making it clear that they no longer feel pressure to continue with the political theater of passing legislation that would have done nothing to prevent Mr. Floyd’s death and would pour $750 million more dollars into departments like the one that employed Chauvin to investigate police killings after the fact. They will use Chauvin’s conviction to argue that the system is working just as it should, and to stifle any efforts at substantive systemic change. In other words, George Floyd’s murder is being used to recuperate the institution that killed him in the midst of one of the greatest crises of legitimacy it has faced.

 

Star Member Devil Child (1,826 posts)

1. lol I'll happily take a world with police over the alternative

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (11,810 posts)

18. If you have a world with police, then you have a world with police violence.

For some people, that's a fair trade. For me, it's not.

Star Member Disaffected (1,638 posts)

21. Tell me,

where is this Utopia of which you speak??

 

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (11,810 posts)

22. I don't speak of utopia, although a lot of people like to put that word in my mouth.

catsudon (443 posts)

23. yep

the society would be filled with rapists and pedophiles.

And murderers, and drug dealers, and every criminal you can imagine...

Watchfoxheadexplodes (3,429 posts)

2. Bodies of others Would be stacked like cord wood.

Even the 'wild west' had law and enforcement

Star Member tonedevil (2,632 posts)

15. So the only thing...that saves civilization is the thin blue line?

Yup.

WarGamer (1,022 posts)

4. A world with Ma'Khia Bryant still alive might be a world with Pink Jogger Suit Girl dead.

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (11,810 posts)

10. In a world without cops, all that money goes toward programs that give people what they need. If Ma'Khia's mother had had the support she needed instead of the state taking her kid away and killing her, the driveway confrontation is pretty unlikely.

No- it wouldn't. I would be stolen by who ever had the power to do so.

The kid wouldn't be in a group home, she'd be run by pimps out on the street to earn a buck.

Ace Rothstein (2,058 posts)

6. Hard pass on a world without police.

Star Member LearnedHand (2,953 posts)

16. A world without police doesn't mean a world without order and community support and protection.

So- someone would have to do enforcement of the laws.

Bored in the USA (3 posts)

14. We need retrials too.

There’s so many cops who got away with murders on both black and white people (mostly black though) who had horrible jury’s. I don’t know if they were rigged but they had to be in such cases as that guy who pulled his pants up while crawling to the officer.

DontBelieveEastisEas (88 posts)

19. 911 Call, Active Shooter. WhiskeyGrinder, you are the leader and you get the call.

What happens?

Well, first off, there wouldn't be any 911 system to call.... but please, carry on...

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (11,810 posts)

20. This is a hard question to answer, because people who ask this question in bad faith see my answer as a dodge:

It depends.

If you asked in bad faith, go ahead and mock. For you or anyone else who's truly curious about abolition (I know you're there!), keep reading.

It depends on the kind of world we've built without cops. The absence of cops means there's more room and resources for the presence of something else, and what abolitionists work for is the presence of systems and communities that are designed to support and care for people. We know the vast, vast majority of crime comes from unmet needs -- if people's needs are met, they don't turn to crime.

Cops rarely prevent crime, aren't great at solving violent crime, and routinely retraumatize victims of crime -- not to mention create all sorts of victims of cop violence. What would happen if we built systems that actually helped people? We could do so while actively divesting these systems of white supremacy, which is baked into the prison industrial complex (as well as social work, health care and education, for that matter).

So the answer is less about the call for an active shooter, and more about how we better prevent active shooters. We're not great about preventing those now, so clearly cops aren't the answer. So why does someone become an active shooter? That's where to start.

 

How are you going to stop world hunger?

Well... we design a world where no one is hungry.

 

[thundley4]

We know the vast, vast majority of crime comes from unmet needs -- if people's needs are met, they don't turn to crime.

Bullshit. Most crime comes from envy and greed. Democrats have been feeding those two emotions in the black community for decades.

[ADsOutburst]

Since 2005 there have been 140 police arrests on murder or manslaughter charges, while cops have killed over 1000 people a year on average since at least 2014.

Ahem, you're forgetting one inconvenient little thing: How many of the suspects killed were armed? What do you suppose is the annual average of unarmed suspects killed by police? And that's without considering that an unarmed suspect does not mean a harmless suspect.

Hint: It's nowhere near 1000.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

[Zathras]

That DUmbass WhiskeyGrinder is several fries short of a happy meal, dumber than a bag of rocks, dumber than a potted fern and about as sharp as a bowling ball all wrapped up in the same package.

[SVPete]

That DUmbass WhiskeyGrinder is several fries short of a happy meal, dumber than a bag of rocks, dumber than a potted fern and about as sharp as a bowling ball all wrapped up in the same package.

Also not the brightest bulb in the knife drawer.

[dutch508]

Also not the brightest bulb in the knife drawer.

Not the sharpest tack in the watermelon stand...

[DUmpDiver]

Militarized police preparations for anticipated protests of the trial’s outcome frame communities as enemy combatants.

People who burn, loot and murder SHOULD be treated as enemy combatants as they are waging war on their own communities.

In the DUmmie's "perfect world" the girl in pink would be pushing up daisies right now.

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

" Yet each is offered up as an illusion that the system will somehow hold itself accountable."
Um, the entire situation with Chauvin is proof that the "System" DOES hold itself accountable!
Let's break it down for the DUmmies:
1. Chauvin was fired immediately after George Floyd's death.
2. Chauvin was arrested for murder the next day, after an investigation into Floyd's death quickly proved that excessive, unnecessary force was used.
3. He was convicted of all charges less than a year later, and the only reason why it took THAT long was because the COVID pandemic held up pretty much everything and thus postponed his trial date.
4. It is pretty much guaranteed he will be facing the maximum sentence for his crimes.
So, it sounds like the "system," at least as far as the Minneapolis police department and larger justice system are concerned, does a pretty freaking good job of handling accountability.

[enslaved1]

A World Where George Floyd And Ma'Khia Bryant Would Still Be Here...

A world where people are taught by both their biological parents who are married to each other that they are not just an animal created by random happenstance, but a unique, intentional, and divine creation with a purpose.

A world where those parents are active in their child's life, know what they are watching and playing and posting, and know who they are interacting with, in person and online, as well as involved in their schooling, looking at the homework, going to conferences, even attending PTA meetings. 

A world where those parents, and schools, and society in general teaches people that actions have consequences, and your actions are yours, not the fault of others in the present or in the past.

A world where schools teach actual thinking and processing, not just how to guess A, B, C, or D, and how to connect the information learned to itself and the rest of the world.