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Wen, speaking with disgraced anchor Chris Cuomo, said: “If everything is reopened, then what’s the carrot going to be? How are we going to incentivize people to actually get the vaccine?“So that’s why I think the CDC and Biden administration needs to come out a lot bolder and say, “If you are vaccinated, you can do all these things. Here are all these freedoms you have.“Because otherwise, people are going to go out and enjoy these freedoms anyway, and I fear a situation of coming into the Fall where we never reach herd immunity, and then we get hit by the next surge of COVID-19 in the fall. Something we could have prevented, if we just got people vaccinated now.”