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An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« on: July 25, 2008, 10:43:16 AM »
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More Witness Email - Senator Obama's PR Tour
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Here's another email about Senator Obama's visit to a base in a combat zone from an impeccable source - the first to paragraphs are redacted to protect the author (a 23 year vet of more than one branch of the military):

MY MEETING (ALMOST) WITH OBAMA
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I had a first hand view of Barrack Obama's "fact finding" mission, when he passed through this base.

While I can't name it, it's one of the largest air bases in the region, with up to 8000 troops (depending on influxes and transients in mobilization/demobilization status), mostly Airmen and Soldiers, but some Marines, Sailors, Koreans, Japanese, Aussies, Brits, US Civil Service, contractors including KBR, Blackwater and Halliburton, among others in the news. The overwhelming majority of all of these are professional, courteous and disciplined. Problems are rare.

Casualties are also rare. This base has a large hospital for evacuation—twenty plus beds. I have yet to see a casualty in one, though I am told there are about three evacuations a week through this region, of which two on average are things like sports injuries, vehicle accidents or duty related falls and such. You can tell from the news that the war is going well. The ghouls are now focusing on Afghanistan, since there is no blood to type with here.

This oped is of course subjective and limited, but I will try to present the facts as I saw them. I wasn't able to see much, which makes a point all by itself.

When his plane arrived (also containing Senators Reed and Hagel, but the news has hardly mentioned them), there was a "ramp freeze." This means if you are on the flight line, and not directly involved with the event in question, you stay where you are and don't move. For a combat flight arriving or departing, this takes about ten minutes, and involves the active runway and crossing taxiways only. For Obama's flight, this took 90 minutes, during which time a variety of military missions came grinding to a halt. Obviously, this visit was important, right?

95% of base wanted nothing to do with him. I have met three troops who support him, and literally hundreds who regard him as a buffoon, a charlatan, a hindrance to their mission or a flat out enemy of progress. Even when the rumors were publicly admitted, almost no one left their duty sections to try to see him, unless they were officers whose presence was officially required.

Mister Obama's motorcade drove up from the flight line and entered the dining hall toward the end of lunch time. Diners were chased out and told to make other arrangements for food, in the middle of the duty day.

Now, there are close to 8000 troops on the base and its nearby satellites. No one came up from the Army side (except perhaps a few ranking officers). The airbase resumed operation, once he cleared the flightline, as if nothing had happened. The dining hall holds about 300 people and was not full. The troops did not want to meet him and the feeling was apparently mutual. In attendance, besides the Official Entourage, were the base's senior officers, some support personnel, and a very few carefully vetted supporters who'd made special arrangements. No photos were allowed. No question and answer with the troops. No real acknowledgment that the troops existed.

Obama left around 1530, during the Muslim Call to Prayer, so he's not a practicing Muslim. He was in a convoy guarded by (so I'm told) both State Department and Secret Service Personnel.

Less than three hours…

Within 48 hours he was in Afghanistan. It takes most troops longer than that to in-process and get cleared on safety, threats, policies and such. Yet he somehow made a strategic summary by not talking to anyone and not seeing anything.

Twenty-four hours after that, he was in Kuwait, back here, and then home, so fast we didn't even know he arrived the second time at this base.

I can't imagine any officer of the few he met told him anything other than what they tell the troops, and what their own leadership at the Pentagon tell them—we're winning. Our troops are stomping the guts out of the insurgency. The surge worked and is working. If the insurgents have to divert to Afghanistan, it means they can't fight in Iraq anymore. We should not change the rules and retreat with the enemy on the ropes as we did in Vietnam. We should finish kicking their teeth in. The Iraqi government now controls 10 of 18 provinces, with US assistance in the rest. Let us win the war. 90% of the troops I know, even those opposed to the war, say that is the way to win. Victory comes from winning, not from "change." In fact, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is on record as opposing Obama's strategic theory.

Since he obviously knew in advance that's what they'd tell him, and since he didn't care to talk to the troops (we're told by the Left that the troops are horrified, shocked, forced to commit atrocities with tears in their eyes, distraught, burned out, fed up with losing, etc) and find out how they feel, and was barely in country long enough to need a shower and a change of clothes, we can only call this for what it is.

A disgraceful PR stunt, using the troops as a platform for his ego and campaign.

In comparison, I've seen four star generals and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on this base. They each held an all ranks call, met with and briefed the personnel, and took questions on every subject from tour length to uniform design to rules of engagement to weapon choice to long term policy, from the newest airmen to the senior NCO with TEN 120-180 day tours since Sep 11. It's very clear they want to know what the troops think, and to keep them informed of events. It's equally clear mister Obama does not.

From here we must move to my op part of the oped.

Obama clearly doesn't care about the troops, doesn't care about America, doesn't care about anything except hearing his own voice and the chance to sit at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue…From where he'll bring us the proven Democratic wartime leadership of Bosnia and the Balkans (US forces still there), Somalia (US forces prevailed despite being ill equipped by executive order, and taking heavy casualties), Haiti (what were we doing there again?), Desert One (oops?), Vietnam (where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory), Korea (still there), WWI, and the fluke success of WWII won by such wonderful liberal notions as concentration camps for Japanese Americans, nukes, FBI investigations of waitresses who dated soldiers in case they were "morally corrupt" and the (valid) occupation of and continued presence in Italy, Japan and Germany for 60 years, which they are conveniently pretending won't happen with Iraq.

That's not "change." That's "failure we can do without."

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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 05:31:39 PM »
Well that explains why there's been no deluge of Obama with the Troops photo's all over the internet.
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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 06:12:18 PM »
What a stark difference to President Bush's visits.  I clearly remember his surpise trip during Thanksgiving one year...the troops swarmed him.
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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 06:17:22 PM »
What a stark difference to President Bush's visits.  I clearly remember his surpise trip during Thanksgiving one year...the troops swarmed him.
When will America wake up and see him for the puppet he is?

They won't see it as long as the MSM doesn't find treatment for it's BDS.
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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 07:52:31 PM »
excellent read.

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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2008, 08:38:03 PM »
It's nice to hear what the troops think, versus what the MSM tells us the troops think.
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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2008, 08:38:58 PM »
Hi-five, stranger.  :)
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2008, 08:42:52 PM »
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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2008, 08:44:40 PM »
Trying to pick up a new job.  I've been offered an IT posiiton by the Census Bureau, but I have to fill out a billion forms to get a security clearance.  Other than that, not much.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2008, 08:59:39 PM »
Trying to pick up a new job.  I've been offered an IT posiiton by the Census Bureau, but I have to fill out a billion forms to get a security clearance.  Other than that, not much.
Ahhh...the dreaded 7-year personal history.  Man, I hate those things.  Luckily, I retire before my clearance expires, so I won't have to do another one.  At least DoD's system is web-based now. 

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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2008, 09:12:29 PM »
Thats damn good. It should be posted all over the place.
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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2008, 04:35:41 AM »
What a stark difference to President Bush's visits.  I clearly remember his surpise trip during Thanksgiving one year...the troops swarmed him.
When will America wake up and see him for the puppet he is?

They won't see it as long as the MSM doesn't find treatment for it's BDS.

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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2008, 06:53:19 AM »
I posted it on the local discussion board--it's amazing how the libs are absolutely convinced it's a Roivan plot.
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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2008, 08:38:16 AM »
This is a captains report on his arrivial in Afghanistan.......if the link doesn't take you right to it....it's the third story down below the stories about the Shah of Irans death/wife etc.

http://www.antimullah.com/


I'll just copy and paste.........

Jeff Porter is the father of six and currently serving in Afghanistan. This is his (ON SCENE) take of Senator Obama's visit to "the troops".

Kind of a different take than what you will see on the "news".

Make of it what you will.

~Hello everyone,

As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to "The War Zone!!".

I wanted to share with you what happened:

He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers were lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General.

As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball.



He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President.

I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of our Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States.?

I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-in-Chief.

It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is.

What you see in the news is all fake.

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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2008, 10:39:19 AM »
That one is on Snopes.com as a fake.  However, the more I read Snopes the more I think they are seriously biased.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2008, 10:44:13 AM »
^they are. even the stories that can be proven but show conservatives in a positive light are listed as "undetermined". They like to give themselves lots of wiggle room if the story doesn't fit their editiorial bias. At least in my opinion.
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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2008, 11:09:52 AM »
That one is on Snopes.com as a fake.  However, the more I read Snopes the more I think they are seriously biased.

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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2008, 11:44:55 AM »
This is a captains report on his arrivial in Afghanistan.......if the link doesn't take you right to it....it's the third story down below the stories about the Shah of Irans death/wife etc.

http://www.antimullah.com/


I'll just copy and paste.........

Jeff Porter is the father of six and currently serving in Afghanistan. This is his (ON SCENE) take of Senator Obama's visit to "the troops".

Kind of a different take than what you will see on the "news".

Make of it what you will.

~Hello everyone,

As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to "The War Zone!!".

I wanted to share with you what happened:

He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers were lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General.

As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball.



He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President.

I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of our Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States.?

I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-in-Chief.

It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is.

What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
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I clicked on some of the "other" links on that site. Horrifying.

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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2008, 01:31:06 PM »
Snopes is rapidly losing credibility itself. One "debunking" statment I was moved to look actually confirmed more than debunked the story. It is becomong political indeed.

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Re: An Op-Ed from a Deployed Soldier About the "Barackstar"
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2008, 10:17:21 AM »
There is a National Guard officer with the name of the above mentioned Op-Ed writer.
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