Author Topic: COMPLETELY UNCONSTITITIONAL! (Read 15792 times)

Eupher · « **Reply #175 on:** April 25, 2013, 10:14:47 AM »

Thank you, lurker, for posting that.

Looks to me like Deval Patrick really enjoys throwing his weight around. Nemo, and now this.

But as long as there was a request, rather than an order, I'm okay with it.

I sure as hell am glad I don't live in the People's Republik of Massholistan. I did, once, in the mid-Seventies, but I escaped and lived to tell about it.

formerlurker · « **Reply #176 on:** April 25, 2013, 10:30:57 AM »

Quote from: Eupher on April 25, 2013, 10:01:54 AM

I love it when you get pissed. Your sarcasm is truly original.

The lawyers, like the good, observant buzzards they are, are still circling, looking for easy pickings.

I can't see to locate any outrage from those affected. Surely one person - even the folks in the video would come forward. Nope.

Reminds me of the folks who live near a reserve base in Western MA that was used as a hub for returning planes from the first desert storm. The planes were coming in 24 hours a day, and those folks were pissed their "rights" were being violated. They believed they had a right to noise free sleep. They filed complaints while pounding their chest over those rights.

The local newspaper published their names. The complaints stopped immediately.

Planes carrying military personnel who performed their duty to our country and just wanted to get home. The folks of Watertown, Boston, Cambridge etc. just wanted to cooperate and get this asshole caught and you have the absolute nerve and audacity to snicker at them as fools.

Must suck to live in a world when the only one that matters is the person in the mirror. Those who serve make tremendous sacrifices for others - so incredibly selfless and giving. A concept that seems to have eluded you.

formerlurker · « **Reply #177 on:** April 25, 2013, 10:33:19 AM »

Quote from: Eupher on April 25, 2013, 10:14:47 AM

I sure as hell am glad I don't live in the People's Republik of Massholistan.

Really couldn't agree with you more here.

Big Dog · « **Reply #178 on:** April 25, 2013, 10:39:27 AM »

Quote from: formerlurker on April 25, 2013, 10:30:57 AM

Must suck to live in a world when the only one that matters is the person in the mirror. Those who serve make tremendous sacrifices for others - so incredibly selfless and giving. A concept that seems to have eluded you.

Must suck to live in a world where your idea of "liberty" and "defiance of terrorism" means "hide under your bed and hope the government protects you".

Since your ~~lockdown~~ shelter in place was completely voluntary, you can't even blame your Dem governor for ordering you inside. You chose to hide.

Baa.

Firekrakka · « **Reply #179 on:** April 25, 2013, 11:07:15 AM »

Quote from: Big Dog on April 25, 2013, 10:39:27 AM

Must suck to live in a world where your idea of "liberty" and "defiance of terrorism" means "hide under your bed and hope the government protects you".

Since your ~~lockdown~~ shelter in place was completely voluntary, you can't even blame your Dem governor for ordering you inside. You chose to hide.

Baa.

Baa indeed!!

Boston: Death Sentence for Looking Out Window?

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Police were continually screaming â€œdonâ€™t look out the window!â€ during their sweep in Watertown last week. This photo shows what happens to folks who disobeyed that order.

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Alec Â· 2 days ago
I live in the greater Boston area and there are a lot of people around here who love the government (as long as a democrat is in power) and everything it does, and they do not see any issue with this sort of thing. They think as long as Obama or some other lefty does it and says it's for our own good then it's justified.

The fawning over the military and police at the beginning of Saturday's Red Sox game was disgusting and made me feel very uneasy.

I hope the tide is turning with more people distrusting the government but I don't think I see it myself around here at least.

It's a good thing I don't live in Boston. I'd be dead by now. I would not have let them in my door without a warrant.

Firekrakka · « **Reply #180 on:** April 25, 2013, 11:21:05 AM »

Scared Sheeple...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MIIjIkdtyQ[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kqjWj67UVg&list=PL13sHMsHiqAj6u_yQ_R4FZjqqiK7pevxV[/youtube]

Big Dog · « **Reply #181 on:** April 25, 2013, 11:37:32 AM »

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A police officer, riding in a military vehicle, pointing a rifle directly at an unarmed civilian inside a home.

Welcome to Massachusetts, cradle of American liberty.

Eupher · « **Reply #182 on:** April 25, 2013, 11:51:37 AM »

Quote from: formerlurker on April 25, 2013, 10:30:57 AM

I can't see to locate any outrage from those affected. Surely one person - even the folks in the video would come forward. Nope.

Reminds me of the folks who live near a reserve base in Western MA that was used as a hub for returning planes from the first desert storm. The planes were coming in 24 hours a day, and those folks were pissed their "rights" were being violated. They believed they had a right to noise free sleep. They filed complaints while pounding their chest over those rights.

The local newspaper published their names. The complaints stopped immediately.

Planes carrying military personnel who performed their duty to our country and just wanted to get home. The folks of Watertown, Boston, Cambridge etc. just wanted to cooperate and get this asshole caught and you have the absolute nerve and audacity to snicker at them as fools.

Must suck to live in a world when the only one that matters is the person in the mirror. Those who serve make tremendous sacrifices for others - so incredibly selfless and giving. A concept that seems to have eluded you.

Does your anger and bitterness keep you up late at night? Maybe a simple prayer for world peace will help you with that.

Rebel · « **Reply #183 on:** April 25, 2013, 12:14:04 PM »

Quote from: txradioguy on April 25, 2013, 08:54:39 AM

No you were probably too busy running them down behind their back because you thought youwere smarter than them and they didn't know what the hell they were doing.

Excuse me? **** you, TRG. I made NCO in 1998.

wasp69 · « **Reply #184 on:** April 25, 2013, 12:38:13 PM »

Quote from: formerlurker on April 25, 2013, 10:30:57 AM

Must suck to live in a world when the only one that matters is the person in the mirror. Those who serve make tremendous sacrifices for others - so incredibly selfless and giving. A concept that seems to have eluded you.

Eupher is retired Army, are you sure you want to start flinging this across the room?

Rebel · « **Reply #185 on:** April 25, 2013, 12:42:09 PM »

http://cnsnews.com/blog/bob-parks/has-watertown-made-warrantless-searches-new-normal

Rebel · « **Reply #186 on:** April 25, 2013, 12:43:01 PM »

Quote from: wasp69 on April 25, 2013, 12:38:13 PM

Eupher is retired Army, are you sure you want to start flinging this across the room?

Well, FL's husband was a servicemember, so that, like, makes her an expert, or something.

Big Dog · « **Reply #187 on:** April 25, 2013, 12:47:19 PM »

formerlurker,

If the state has a contest for a new tourism campaign, you can use this:

WELCOME TO MASSACHUSETTS

LIVE FREE, AND DIE.

Firekrakka · « **Reply #188 on:** April 25, 2013, 12:51:03 PM »

FL keeps saying no one in Boston was bothered by this. This is from the MA State Police page on FB.

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Western Degradation
THANK YOU GESTAPO! For forcing us to stay inside our houses while coming in them with no probable cause or search warrant while having the city loose 300 million is lost revenue but it's all worth it. Our safety is worth all the freedoms and that evil constitution any day.
Like Â· Â· on Sunday
4 people like this.

Western Degradation Isn't it ironic that when you released the curfew the citizens found the guy and not you? Those of us who are awake know you used a litmus test on the people to see how they would react to martial law.
April 21 at 4:22pm Â· Edited Â· Like Â· 5

Ez Freehill ^haha - true.
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Aaron Gravitytoy
The 4th was obviously nowhere to be found, but while pointing guns at innocent citizens for 2 days, did any of you ponder the definition of "terror"?
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Britt R. Coleman
You should change the name of this profile to "Massachusetts Police State".
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Lindsey Coleman likes this.

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Justin Clendenin
Way to go 10000 people took down one 19 year old. Fantastic job. 4th amendment ?
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J P Sousa · « **Reply #189 on:** April 25, 2013, 12:57:21 PM »

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A police officer, riding in a military vehicle, pointing a rifle directly at an unarmed civilian inside a home.

Welcome to Massachusetts, cradle of American liberty.

Or State of overreaction..........what rights again ?

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Big Dog · « **Reply #190 on:** April 25, 2013, 01:01:29 PM »

Quote from: J P Sousa on April 25, 2013, 12:57:21 PM

Or State of overreaction..........what rights again ?

Rights iz for bijjez....

Big Dog · « **Reply #191 on:** April 26, 2013, 04:33:22 AM »

Meanwhile, in "the land of the free, and the home of the brave":

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Gb6i5DF9k[/youtube]
Watch from 1:00 to 2:00 for descriptions of forced entries, involuntary searches, weapons in citizens' faces and pointed at a toddler, and citizens forced from their own homes.

Eupher · « **Reply #192 on:** April 26, 2013, 06:11:34 PM »

Quote from: Big Dog on April 25, 2013, 12:47:19 PM

formerlurker,

If the state has a contest for a new tourism campaign, you can use this:

WELCOME TO MASSACHUSETTS

LIVE FREE, AND DIE.

You know, Lurker, when I was active duty, wearing the uniform, and stationed in West Berlin -- spent almost 9 years in the city, btw, 110 miles behind the Iron Curtain -- I saw things like this at the Berlin Wall. East German state police looking at me from across that Wall.

The only difference was, the East German wasn't pointing a weapon. He was pointing a pair of binoculars or a camera.

Sobering though, eh? Here, in our own country, in YOUR COMMONWEALTH that you call home, we've got police who are acting in a more threatening, tyrannical way than any ****ing COMMUNIST I ever saw, face-to-face.

Do you feel safer now? Knowing that your ****tard governor can order that kind of tyranny and yet you support it?

Might want to re-evaluate your own political leanings....

rich_t · « **Reply #193 on:** April 27, 2013, 05:47:52 PM »

Interesting thread over all. Some minor insults tossed around, but to be expected on an issue such as this.

Personally, I think the cops violated the hell out of the 4th Amendment, court precedents or not.

Ya see... The Constitution was written in simple every day language of the day. It took lawyers with an agenda to try to complicate the hell out of it.

I don't need a lawyer or a court to define for myself what the Constitution says. I can read. Additionally, I can draw on the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers to help me discern what the original intent of the Founding Fathers was.

IMO, this was a clear and demonstrable violation of the intent of the 4th Amendment. I bet our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves over the pure and simple abuses of basic rights that we have allowed our "government" to impose on sovereign citizens that have committed no wrong.

CG6468 · « **Reply #194 on:** April 27, 2013, 06:15:28 PM »

Good post, Rich, and I agree.

Eupher · « **Reply #195 on:** April 27, 2013, 06:59:26 PM »

Quote from: rich_t on April 27, 2013, 05:47:52 PM

Interesting thread over all. Some minor insults tossed around, but to be expected on an issue such as this.

Personally, I think the cops violated the hell out of the 4th Amendment, court precedents or not.

Ya see... The Constitution was written in simple every day language of the day. It took lawyers with an agenda to try to complicate the hell out of it.

I don't need a lawyer or a court to define for myself what the Constitution says. I can read. Additionally, I can draw on the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers to help me discern what the original intent of the Founding Fathers was.

IMO, this was a clear and demonstrable violation of the intent of the 4th Amendment. I bet our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves over the pure and simple abuses of basic rights that we have allowed our "government" to impose on sovereign citizens that have committed no wrong.

Of course you can read, Rich, that part isn't in question. But it is the determined and lawful jurisprudence of the judicial branch of our government to actually interpret the Constitution.

This is why I said earlier in this thread that it will be very interesting to see what kind of lawsuits that might come out of this very real threat to the 4th Amendment. Some lawyer or lawyers are going to question what was done and put it in front of a court for that court's interpretation of how that action did or did not violate the 4th Amendment or any other law on the books.

seahorse513 · « **Reply #196 on:** April 27, 2013, 07:17:47 PM »

Excellent thread.

This is why I live in the state of Live Free or DIE!!
Unfortunately, too many mass escapees are coming up here trying to make NH like Mass!!

Revolution · « **Reply #197 on:** April 27, 2013, 08:21:29 PM »

Extreme violation of the 4th. All while the Obeezy Admin gives this turd burger his Miranda rights, free healthcare, etc, etc on our dime.

HE'S an enemy combatant, but our citizens aren't!!

Oh, and the spat with FL may have caused her to flee or something. Haven't seen her post in a couple days...

With such a heated issue though, there are bound to be very heavy disagreements.

Eupher · « **Reply #198 on:** April 27, 2013, 08:45:43 PM »

Quote from: Revolution on April 27, 2013, 08:21:29 PM

Extreme violation of the 4th. All while the Obeezy Admin gives this turd burger his Miranda rights, free healthcare, etc, etc on our dime.

HE'S an enemy combatant, but our citizens aren't!!

Oh, and the spat with FL may have caused her to flee or something. Haven't seen her post in a couple days...

With such a heated issue though, there are bound to be very heavy disagreements.

FL doesn't flee from anything, Rev. I'm sure she's busy IRL.

Revolution · « **Reply #199 on:** April 27, 2013, 11:24:31 PM »

No, I didn't think she'd be gone indefinitely or anything. Maybe busy, or letting things cool down. Not sure. Spats here are different than on The Island, or anywhere else on the netz that I've seen. Cooler heads prevail here.

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