Which conservative principles should liberals understand or at least recognize?

[rich_t]

The Constitution.

QFT.

[J P Sousa]

I like that you used the term "plan." And then inferred to the need for such a plan with your reference to "cycle of dependency" which is absolutely-spot on.

But you are deluding yourself if you think Congress has such a plan. They have nothing but the need to see themselves reelected.

That's what this has come to. We have a huge chunk of our population who are accustomed to having their every need fulfilled by the state. Their attitude is, "You owe me."

Screw that. I owe these shitsticks nothing.

So then you think that it's okay to raise taxes to address this problem that's taken three entire generations to develop. And then you think, rather naively IMHO, that politicians will "pull back" on the welfare, which is the very carrot they use to convince the sheeple that it is they, and only they, who can see the light.

That's not a good plan, Dori.

I cringed when I read that too, because I "USED" to think that way as well.

The reason (and oFrosty should think about this) I oppose ALL INCREASE in government "revenue", "taxes", "programs", ANYTHING the government does.........is because the "DECREASE" NEVER happens. The government, any government, is like Zoysia grass it will overtake any healthy lawn, it will even overtake your neighbors lawn. You MUST CUT IT OUT completely in order to stop the growing. 

Anyone who thinks the government will stop growing is ignoring history.
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[Ptarmigan]

Another failed troll. 

[Dori]

So then you think that it's okay to raise taxes to address this problem that's taken three entire generations to develop. And then you think, rather naively IMHO, that politicians will "pull back" on the welfare, which is the very carrot they use to convince the sheeple that it is they, and only they, who can see the light.

That's not a good plan, Dori.

Well, in my own self defense, I don't think I said anything about raising taxes.  We already have dozens of state and federal programs now and throwing more money at them is not the solution to breaking the cycle of dependency.  

My response was also to a young college liberal who obviously hears  the repeated lie, that conservatives don't care about the poor.  He (for whatever reason) has come here to question conservatives about what they would do about it.  I am game to give him my opinion as to what I think might work.

IMO - He is very bright, but something of a dreamer and a bleeding heart.  The old Churchill quote comes to mind here... "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

[Eupher]

Well, in my own self defense, I don't think I said anything about raising taxes.  We already have dozens of state and federal programs now and throwing more money at them is not the solution to breaking the cycle of dependency.  

Bullshit, Dorie. Pure and simple. You can't even remember what the **** you wrote, so let me help you with that;

If it takes taxes to break that cycle in this current generation, then so be it.

Bolded emphasis mine. I did that, I own it, and I'll TELL you I did it.

When are you going to stop playing word-parsing games? Did you use the word "raise?" No, you did not. But there is no other way to interpret your post. You think it's perfectly okay to raise taxes or keep the shitsticks slopping at the public trough until the politicians can "pull back" on welfare.

You're playing both ends against the middle, dearie, and I'm here to tell you it ain't working.

Bitchslapped for lying.

[txradioguy]

So where did the n00b with the question run off to?

[Eupher]

So where did the n00b with the question run off to?

He had a term paper to write, and he got all the answers he needed to write it right here. No need to think, to postulate. Just pose a bunch of questions, get the answers, and walla [sic]. 

Just another toe dipper. He got it wet and it's time to move on.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

If I don't think those programs are the "end all be all to existence," am I not a liberal?

I don't know what you are! I just know what folks who believe what you apparently believe tend to lean toward government being the source from which all things are made right! On further reading in your other thread you sound like a young guy with some very idealistic leanings, reminding me of what Winston Churchill once said.

[txradioguy]

He had a term paper to write, and he got all the answers he needed to write it right here. No need to think, to postulate. Just pose a bunch of questions, get the answers, and walla [sic]. 

Just another toe dipper. He got it wet and it's time to move on.

Had the same kind of idiot show up at ToS doing the same kind of hit and run.

Wonder if they're connected.

[CG6468]

I don't know what you are!

Sure you do! It's another asshole!