Which conservative principles should liberals understand or at least recognize?

[oFrosty]

Russell Kirk wrote, "... the intelligent conservative ... thinks that the liberal and the radical, blind to the just claims of Permanence, would endanger the heritage bequeathed to us, in an endeavor to hurry us into some dubious Terrestrial Paradise." Running on Kirk's "Ten Conservative Principles," or sharing your own principles, my question is:

In a country of polarized conservatives and liberals, blind to one another's perspectives, name one or two conservative principles that you would most desire a liberal add to his or her tool belt of guiding principles?

(Russell Kirk: http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/detail/ten-conservative-principles/)

[Duke Nukum]

Thanks for posting this. I am reading it slowly and will respond after digesting it some.

[NHSparky]

Thanks for posting this. I am reading it slowly and will respond after digesting it some.

Make sure you wipe well afterwards, and try a wet wipe too.  Get that "ever so fresh" feeling.

[Big Dog]

Russell Kirk wrote, "... the intelligent conservative ... thinks that the liberal and the radical, blind to the just claims of Permanence, would endanger the heritage bequeathed to us, in an endeavor to hurry us into some dubious Terrestrial Paradise." Running on Kirk's "Ten Conservative Principles," or sharing your own principles, my question is:

In a country of polarized conservatives and liberals, blind to one another's perspectives, name one or two conservative principles that you would most desire a liberal add to his or her tool belt of guiding principles?

(Russell Kirk: http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/detail/ten-conservative-principles/)

Welcome back. Just like a cold sore.

Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of asking our opinions? You'll get much more participation, pro and con.

Let's start here: Which of Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles guides your life the most?

[Duke Nukum]

Is it a PaulBot?

The essay seems interesting, at any rate.

[oFrosty]

Welcome back. Just like a cold sore.

This is my first time here. Was there someone else with the same username?

Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of asking our opinions?

I am interested in what conservatives think liberals should consider more in their perspective. There's nothing wrong with that.

[oFrosty]

Thanks for posting this. I am reading it slowly and will respond after digesting it some.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Russell Kirk wrote, "... the intelligent conservative ... thinks that the liberal and the radical, blind to the just claims of Permanence, would endanger the heritage bequeathed to us, in an endeavor to hurry us into some dubious Terrestrial Paradise." Running on Kirk's "Ten Conservative Principles," or sharing your own principles, my question is:

In a country of polarized conservatives and liberals, blind to one another's perspectives, name one or two conservative principles that you would most desire a liberal add to his or her tool belt of guiding principles?

(Russell Kirk: http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/detail/ten-conservative-principles/)

I would have to say self reliance and personal responsibility. I truly believe that human beings have alot more in their "tank" than they ever really realize. If there are liberals out there who believe that? I haven't come across them.

[USA4ME]

"First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order."

Though I would take it further than the writer did.  But having a strong moral underpinning is where all other issues hinge.

"Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism."

Especially given the claimed viewpoints of the modern-day liberal.  There's very little that citizens acting individually or in groups could not accomplish that the left "claims" they wish would happen via gov't oversight.  And it could be done more effectively and efficiently.

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[oFrosty]

"Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism."

Especially given the claimed viewpoints of the modern-day liberal.  There's very little that citizens acting individually or in groups could not accomplish that the left "claims" they wish would happen via gov't oversight.  And it could be done more effectively and efficiently.

You are hitting on what I believe precisely. Big Dog, you asked which principle guides my life the most from this list — this is it.

[oFrosty]

I would have to say self reliance and personal responsibility. I truly believe that human beings have alot more in their "tank" than they ever really realize. If there are liberals out there who believe that? I haven't come across them.

Do you have faith that people will have personal responsibility? Should government have faith that people will have personal responsibility?

[CG6468]

Liberals are incapable of understanding anything to do with Conservatives or Conservative policies.

[Duke Nukum]

Do you have faith that people will have personal responsibility? Should government have faith that people will have personal responsibility?

Allegedly, in the American system, power flows from the people to the government.

To speak of 'government having faith in people' would be instantly decried as nonsense in a literate society.

But, then, government runs the schools, for the most part, doesn't it.

[Dori]

But, then, government runs the schools, for the most part, doesn't it.

And who/what runs the government?

[oFrosty]

Allegedly, in the American system, power flows from the people to the government.

To speak of 'government having faith in people' would be instantly decried as nonsense in a literate society.

But, then, government runs the schools, for the most part, doesn't it.

So I'll rephrase the questions:

Do you have faith that people will show personal responsibility?

Should we the people have faith that we will show personal responsibility?

[Duke Nukum]

And who/what runs the government?

People. Dumbed down people. And people who want to control other people.

[Duke Nukum]

So I'll rephrase the questions:

Do you have faith that people will show personal responsibility?

Should we the people have faith that we will show personal responsibility?

If a majority of people do not expect other people to show personal responsibility then I have faith that few will.

If I say, 'it is fine for me to be responsible because I am a special little snowflake but my brethren, tch, tch, tch, they are a bunch of simpering idiots! I will petition my government to collar them, for their own good,' then I have faith that government will soon collar me. And make me pay for my collar. And it won't be a very nice collar either.

[Mr Mannn]

I am interested in what conservatives think liberals should consider more in their perspective. There's nothing wrong with that.

Bitch slap for avoiding the question.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

So I'll rephrase the questions:

Do you have faith that people will show personal responsibility?

Should we the people have faith that we will show personal responsibility?

I have faith in God. People on the other hand.....Well...lets just say that about half of this country needs to learn something their parents never taught them. Actions or for some of them inaction have consequences.  Once one reaches adulthood one is supposed to be able to take care of ones self. It is neither the government or your fellow countrymen's responsibility to take care of your basic needs. A parent really does their child a great disservice by not imparting this lesson early and often. I personally am more than willing to help a person better themselves so they can get to that but I will not supplement their income so they can jerk off for the rest of their lives! We don't have to have faith that they show personal responsibility but we should let them learn from their mistakes.We don't do that anymore.

[rich_t]

I see we have another retread troll.

[Mr Mannn]

Another bitch slap given for picking the blandest and most generic of top ten lists.

If you really want to learn about conservatives, TALK with us.

[Undies]

blind to one another's perspectives

I quit reading the piece after this bit of idiocy.  Conservatives aren't blind to a damn thing about liberals.

[oFrosty]

Once one reaches adulthood one is supposed to be able to take care of ones self. It is neither the government or your fellow countrymen's responsibility to take care of your basic needs.

So is the ideal country one with no need for empathy? What is your opinion of those who feel it is their responsibility to help those who never learned this lesson or are simply unable to take care of themselves? How should those people go about doing that?

If I say, 'it is fine for me to be responsible because I am a special little snowflake but my brethren, tch, tch, tch, they are a bunch of simpering idiots! I will petition my government to collar them, for their own good,' then I have faith that government will soon collar me. And make me pay for my collar. And it won't be a very nice collar either.

Haha ok. So, how do we deal with irresponsible people? (Whether via government or other means?)

[Mr Mannn]

BS given for STILL not answering the very first question put to you.

Question repeated below for illiterate trolls.
Please. No one discuss a thing with this fool until he shows the courtesy to answer a simple question.

Welcome back. Just like a cold sore.

Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of asking our opinions? You'll get much more participation, pro and con.

Let's start here: Which of Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles guides your life the most?

[Big Dog]

So is the ideal country one with no need for empathy? What is your opinion of those who feel it is their responsibility to help those who never learned this lesson or are simply unable to take care of themselves? How should those people go about doing that?

Haha ok. So, how do we deal with irresponsible people? (Whether via government or other means?)

What kind of silly bullshit is this?

So is the ideal country one with no need for empathy? This is not even a sentence; it a random string of words which does not communicate a single coherent thought. The only rational answer is "WTF?"

What is your opinion of those who feel it is their responsibility to help those who never learned this lesson or are simply unable to take care of themselves? One question, two directions. Is this your version of "two women, one cup"?

How should those people go about doing that? Who are "those people" and what is "that"?

So, how do we deal with irresponsible people? What do you mean "we", paleface? You have failed to establish that you are part of a "we" including anyone from the CC.

Your grade for this exercise: F.

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