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« on: December 10, 2012, 05:07:39 PM »
True conservatives have been saturated with the lies that we are racist, old people, one percenters and only evangelical white men.   I am begining to fall into the category of an older non minority man.   (still under 50).

I want to really know if you are conservative and fall into non traditional conservative category ie..    young , female, atheist, homosexual, other than pasty white or liberal in other areas such as drugs.   I believe people can believe in conservative values and be any color, age , sex or orientation.

What I want to know is i am about to put a lot of time into this movement.  Years if necessary.   I want to know if we can be the all inclusive party I think we should be.    Everyone should want less government and liberty.   I want to know if this is a winable war or if we might as well fold the doors because only old white men will vote for it.   Quite frankly old whitey is way outnumbered.  The promise of political paradise the democrats promise will never come,  however the false dream is luring the majority.  The democratic voter is voting for their own enslavement.

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Re: atheists, people under 30, minorities ......... please respond
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2012, 05:19:13 PM »
I want to really know if you are conservative and fall into non traditional conservative category ie..    young , female, atheist, homosexual, other than pasty white or liberal in other areas such as drugs.   I believe people can believe in conservative values and be any color, age , sex or orientation.

I am half-Honduran, and half-mutt (white, black, and who knows what else).  I agree with the second half of what you said.

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What I want to know is i am about to put a lot of time into this movement.  Years if necessary.   

What movement? 

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I want to know if we can be the all inclusive party I think we should be. 

What makes you think we're not?  Google "<insert ethnicity here> republicans".

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Everyone should want less government and liberty.

Explain that to big government republicans.

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2012, 05:23:53 PM »
True conservatives have been saturated with the lies that we are racist, old people, one percenters and only evangelical white men.   I am begining to fall into the category of an older non minority man.   (still under 50).

I want to really know if you are conservative and fall into non traditional conservative category ie..    young , female, atheist, homosexual, other than pasty white or liberal in other areas such as drugs.   I believe people can believe in conservative values and be any color, age , sex or orientation.

What I want to know is i am about to put a lot of time into this movement.  Years if necessary.   I want to know if we can be the all inclusive party I think we should be.    Everyone should want less government and liberty.   I want to know if this is a winable war or if we might as well fold the doors because only old white men will vote for it.   Quite frankly old whitey is way outnumbered.  The promise of political paradise the democrats promise will never come,  however the false dream is luring the majority.  The democratic voter is voting for their own enslavement.

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Since when is "conservative" a party?

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2012, 05:44:31 PM »
http://www.conservativepartyusa.org/home/

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We Believe:

    Unalienable rights to life and liberty are given to us by our Creator; these rights exist separate from, and are superior to, government.
    Individuals are responsible for securing the blessings of liberty through the exercise of their rights.
    The individual is sovereign over one's person; their labors constitute a foundation for private property that is not subject to the demands of others.
    Governments are formed by the will of the people to secure and defend human liberty.
    Law exists to support liberty and mediate disputes where conduct of one infringes upon the rights of another.
    The armed forces and law enforcement exist to bolster private defense, not to supplant it.
    The American Experiment was born out of these beliefs and it has resulted in a bountiful gain for the human condition.

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Basically, the born again evangelical arm of the tea party.

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 05:47:57 PM »
Maybe you can tell us why liberals are threatened by people of faith?

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2012, 05:50:27 PM »
Maybe you can tell us why liberals are threatened by people of faith?

The only threat by people of faith come when they try to deny secular rights in a secular nation to groups of citizens.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2012, 05:51:53 PM »
and what rights are you referring to?

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2012, 05:53:24 PM »
The only threat by people of faith come when they try to deny secular rights in a secular nation to groups of citizens.

What exactly is a "secular" right?

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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2012, 05:55:37 PM »
americanconservativeparty.org

Basically, the born again evangelical arm of the tea party.

Pretty accurate description but, I was just answering a stupid question.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2012, 05:56:39 PM »
and what rights are you referring to?

The secular institution of marriage to get a marriage license in this nation.  The right to an abortion and to be counseled about abortions up to week 12.  After that, the right to counsel with a doctor about an abortion.

The right to keep public education secular and religion out of it.

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2012, 05:59:04 PM »

Democrats on the street are "conservative" BUT don't want to be seen as Republican.  :thatsright:

One said taxes should NOT be raised on households making $250,000. 

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2012, 05:59:31 PM »
I am over 50, white, female.  Born of an American father and a European (Austrian, later naturalized) immigrant mother.  Most of my ancestors on my father's side are Swedish or British, as far as I know.  My children are all white, but I have 3 part-Hispanic grandchildren.  I believe in small government, no nanny state, only legal immigration, and fairness for everyone regardless of sex, race, religion, etc.  I do NOT believe in giving anyone extra special rights, as with gay marriage or holding criminals more guilty for crimes against some certain people groups.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2012, 06:00:11 PM »
The secular institution of marriage to get a marriage license in this nation.  The right to an abortion and to be counseled about abortions up to week 12.  After that, the right to counsel with a doctor about an abortion.

The right to keep public education secular and religion out of it.

You do not have the right to marriage, public education or elective abortion.

Nor do you have the right to censor religion.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2012, 06:03:52 PM »
The secular institution of marriage to get a marriage license in this nation.  The right to an abortion and to be counseled about abortions up to week 12.  After that, the right to counsel with a doctor about an abortion.

The right to keep public education secular and religion out of it.

Oh I see the right to kill babies.
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2012, 06:04:23 PM »
The secular institution of marriage to get a marriage license in this nation.  The right to an abortion and to be counseled about abortions up to week 12.  After that, the right to counsel with a doctor about an abortion.

The right to keep public education secular and religion out of it.
Ah yes, the depravity of homosexuality and the liberal high holy act of killing babies. No wonder you are a liberal, the sins of Romans 1 are your platform. This is why liberals fear and loathe the gospel, everything they hold dear are clearly called sin.

Face it Sam I am, in a democracy religious people are FREE to to run, get elected, and to change the law.

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2012, 06:05:49 PM »
The secular institution of marriage to get a marriage license in this nation.  The right to an abortion and to be counseled about abortions up to week 12.  After that, the right to counsel with a doctor about an abortion.

The right to keep public education secular and religion out of it.
American citizens should have the right to murder their children?  If so, why does birth change anything?  What is religious about not murdering children?

Education was not a secular thing for much of our country's history.  Children learned The Bible right along with other classical literature.  Even Thomas Jefferson donated Bibles to schools for this purpose.

Maybe you need to go back and read about the true history of this country, Sam.  You sound like you've been brainwashed instead of educated.   :-)
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2012, 06:06:54 PM »
You do not have the right to marriage, public education or elective abortion.

Nor do you have the right to censor religion.
Liberalism is all about denying rights to free people and pulling imaginary rights out of thin air.

Hey, Sam are you threatened by people owning guns too?

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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2012, 06:10:17 PM »
Ah yes, the depravity of homosexuality and the liberal high holy act of killing babies. No wonder you are a liberal, the sins of Romans 1 are your platform. This is why liberals fear and loathe the gospel, everything they hold dear are clearly called sin.

Face it Sam I am, in a democracy religious people are FREE to to run, get elected, and to change the law.

No where in the New Testament, the Christian section, is Christ against abortion nor homosexuals. And he ORDERS people to separate church and state.

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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2012, 06:12:39 PM »
American citizens should have the right to murder their children?  If so, why does birth change anything?  What is religious about not murdering children?

Education was not a secular thing for much of our country's history.  Children learned The Bible right along with other classical literature.  Even Thomas Jefferson donated Bibles to schools for this purpose.

Maybe you need to go back and read about the true history of this country, Sam.  You sound like you've been brainwashed instead of educated.   :-)

No, a woman should have a right to birth control to control the number of children she wants, when she wants them and by whom.  If the birth control fails and she wants to end the pregnancy, then abortion is available to her.  THat's HER right to her choices on reproduction.   NOT yours.

Sides, between the baptist ministers and the catholic churches hiding pedophiles, you get kinda suspicious as to why the religious right is against abortion...want to just keep feeding new young ones to abuse to your ministers and priests?

Christ is NOT against abortion nor homosexuals.

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2012, 06:13:36 PM »
American citizens should have the right to murder their children?  If so, why does birth change anything?  What is religious about not murdering children?

Education was not a secular thing for much of our country's history.  Children learned The Bible right along with other classical literature.  Even Thomas Jefferson donated Bibles to schools for this purpose.

Maybe you need to go back and read about the true history of this country, Sam.  You sound like you've been brainwashed instead of educated.   :-)

Well, now the nation grew and we have many who don't believe in the Bible.  I believe bible studies are covered under the first amendment and your right to have a church and practice your religions, including reading your bibles.

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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2012, 06:15:10 PM »
No where in the New Testament, the Christian section, is Christ against abortion nor homosexuals. And he ORDERS people to separate church and state.

You might want to reread the New Testament.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2012, 06:16:33 PM »
Well, now the nation grew and we have many who don't believe in the Bible.  I believe bible studies are covered under the first amendment and your right to have a church and practice your religions, including reading your bibles.

When was the prohibition against the elective, unprovoked taking of human life ever a matter constrained strictly to religion?
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2012, 06:17:07 PM »
No, a woman should have a right to birth control to control the number of children she wants, when she wants them and by whom.  If the birth control fails and she wants to end the pregnancy, then abortion is available to her.  THat's HER right to her choices on reproduction.   NOT yours.

Sides, between the baptist ministers and the catholic churches hiding pedophiles, you get kinda suspicious as to why the religious right is against abortion...want to just keep feeding new young ones to abuse to your ministers and priests?

Christ is NOT against abortion nor homosexuals.

She alone has complete control of that jackass...it is called keeping her legs closed.
She can also demand a partner wears protection which is not expensive.

Your entire premise is a strawman but all lefties ever have.

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2012, 06:18:00 PM »
You might want to reread the New Testament.

Show me where christ is AGAINST abortion and calls homosexuality a sin.