It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda

[wasp69]

I don't recall mentioning that they would take responsibility for it.

Then how do they hang it upon themselves?

[txradioguy]

The popular vote was roughly a 3% difference...that's also known as "margin of error" when polls are conducted.

Moving more to the left on things like immigration and every other free bennie the takers want won't make them like us any more and will just alienate anyone still calling themselvess a Republican that much more.

What people who want to just give up and give them what they want fail to realize are that the left will still blame Conservative/Republicans for the mess they've made...and the media will be happy to help sell that story.

We cave and we've given the left all the ammo they need to bash us in two years in the mid terms...every one from our side running who's talked about fiscal responsibility will have those quotes show up in campaign ads by their opponent as they rip the Republican to shreds.

Not to mention that four years of rolling over for this Administration will alow them to put measures in place that will ensure the word America and Superpower will NEVER be used int eh same sentence again.

John Boehner...Cantor and a couple others need to get voted out.  They are putting measures and people in place to ensure that 2010 doesn't happen again...they need to be stopped as much as Obama and his cronies do.

We've been in this wilderness before...look how long it took to get Reagan in office.  The difference between now and then is that Conservatives back then didn't give up like the ones now are hinting they want to do.

There are ways to get the message out...to talk over the heads of the media and to remind people that it's much better for them and for this country to get a paycheck...as opposed to a welfare check.

ANd giving up and playing dead so Obama can run rampant is NOT one of those ways.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

How have they been able to blame us in their dawning realization of what a disaster Obamacare is becoming?

Oh, how they cheered when it passed Congress. And they cheered again when SCOTUS blessed it.

Now listen to them.

The GOP should just vote "present" on whatever package Obama, Pelosi and Reid put forward.

What will they damn us for? Not saving them from their own idiocy?

Then we can save our political capital for fighting judicial nominees, the EPA, criminal investigations, etc.

We are outnumbered and outgunned. It makes no sense fighting in open terrain. Fall back to a position we can effectively defend while forcing the enemy to seize territory he cannot hold; especially if he wants to fight us on the ground we've staked-out. We are a political insurgency. Standing in an open field, festooned with brightly colored plumes and riding out to invite your opposite to take the first volley is noble, gentlemanly and romantic but the barbarian horde you'll be facing couldn't care less. They see only victory.  Thankfully they overestimate their own competence.

[txradioguy]

How have they been able to blame us in their dawning realization of what a disaster Obamacare is becoming?

IF you're anti-Obamacare...you're (fill in the blank on smears).

remember Snugs...you're talking about an electorate that still blames President Bush for the economic climate his successor created.

With that as a starting point...and with the help of our friends in the MSM...it's gonnabe easy to blame Republicans.

Here I can see this meme floating around..."If Republicans had gotten on board with universal/single payer health care in 1992 we wouldn't be in the health crisis we're in now."

Or this:

"Greedy Republican doctors and special interest groups more interested in a buck than treating people are the main roadbloacks to implementation of ObamaCare...they are feeding the coffers of (insert Republican Governor/Senator/Congresscritter) buying the off to prevent the State Exchanges from being built.

The media just needs that to run with and next thing you know...Brian Williams will be reporting eeevil Rethuglican doctors kicking old people to the curb and denying babies medicine because they siged up for ObamaCare.

Oh, how they cheered when it passed Congress. And they cheered again when SCOTUS blessed it.

Now listen to them.

They're getting ready to really rub our noses in it...and if we roll over as you suggest...then there's no telling what they will pass...without resistance to punish the states that don't cooperate.

The GOP should just vote "present" on whatever package Obama, Pelosi and Reid put forward.

You can bend and spread for the Dems...but don't complain about the sharp pain and lasting ill effect afterwrds.

What will they damn us for? Not saving them from their own idiocy?

Haven't you learned by now that Liberalism means NEVER having to take responsibility for your actions?

Then we can save our political capital for fighting judicial nominees, the EPA, criminal investigations, etc.

None of which is going to happen for the next four years.  Especialls since judges etc are passed in the Senate not the House.  Our best chance on getting to the bottom of Fast and Furious and Benghazi disappeared when Mitt lost.

If we roll over and don't fight what little political capital we have is gone.

We are outnumbered and outgunned. It makes no sense fighting in open terrain. Fall back to a position we can effectively defend while forcing the enemy to seize territory he cannot hold; especially if he wants to fight us on the ground we've staked-out. We are a political insurgency. Standing in an open field, festooned with brightly colored plumes and riding out to invite your opposite to take the first volley is noble, gentlemanly and romantic but the barbarian horde you'll be facing couldn't care less. They see only victory.  Thankfully they overestimate their own competence.

Then that is exactly what we should do.  Fight them for every square inch of ground we are forced to yeild...until they are bled dry.  No one ever won a war playing defense.  Something Republicans never seem to learn.  Did the Dems fall back and retreat after 2010?  How about after 1994 and the Republican Revolution?

No they just fought harder...didn't change one iota...hell they came right out and dared us to stop them...we were in the majority and the Dems stilla cted like they were in charge..and we need to do the same.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

IF you're anti-Obamacare...you're (fill in the blank on smears).

Exactly, so let's dodge that bullet instead of standing there waiting for it.

They can't hang a lack of single payer on us after they repeatedly cheered their own handiwork.

We fought on fiscal responsibility and we lost to Sandra Fluke.

SANDRA ****ING FLUKE

Bread and circuses have been replaced by EBT cards and birth control. The enemy owns the ground of the financial battle. Metaphorically that is our capital city and we lost it. Worse still: the plebes were the ones who opened the gates.

To continue to do the same thing expecting a different result would be insanity.

We are a minority where issues are decided solely by numbers.  We don't have the numbers and the people hate us... mostly because we're blamed for obstruction.  Our every argument was parried by claiming we deny people what they want. Until an untried counter-argument is presented appeals to principle seem futile.

If you have something new I'm all ears.

Regardless, you're a good brother to fight beside.

[EagleKeeper]

Then that is exactly what we should do.  Fight them for every square inch of ground we are forced to yeild...until they are bled dry.  No one ever won a war playing defense.  Something Republicans never seem to learn.  Did the Dems fall back and retreat after 2010?  How about after 1994 and the Republican Revolution?

No they just fought harder...didn't change one iota...hell they came right out and dared us to stop them...we were in the majority and the Dems stilla cted like they were in charge..and we need to do the same.

This is what we have been doing for the last 4 years and what did it get us? We have been labeled as obstructionist and as far as bleeding them dry?

They won!

They won because we are totally outnumbered and you can see the evidence everywhere. Spain, Portugal, Greece, the U.K. and now you can see it in France ( they elected a self avowed socialist fer cryin out loud!). The great unwashed masses want their obamaphone and that's as far as it goes. All they want is to get theirs and to hell with the rest of it. They have no desire to look past the end of their nose as long as they get that damn phone.

We continue to loose ground by standing in between them and their phone, it's a loose-loose proposition.

Just look at the "conservatives" that involved in the fight against the stupid fiscal cliff, they are already falling apart. The president says give me taxes on the 1%, give that to me now and we can talk spending cuts later.

Like that's going to happen.

It's all falling apart. Four more years of progressive activist judges. Probably at least 2 supremes. By fighting we are just delaying the inevitable and making more enemies along the way.

[txradioguy]

This is what we have been doing for the last 4 years and what did it get us? We have been labeled as obstructionist and as far as bleeding them dry?

They won!

No we haven't.  If we had..we'd have had a change in leadership...i.e. gotten rid of Boehner.  He's as big a threat to Conseratism as the Liberals.

They won because we are totally outnumbered and you can see the evidence everywhere. Spain, Portugal, Greece, the U.K. and now you can see it in France ( they elected a self avowed socialist fer cryin out loud!). The great unwashed masses want their obamaphone and that's as far as it goes. All they want is to get theirs and to hell with the rest of it. They have no desire to look past the end of their nose as long as they get that damn phone.

Totally outnumbered?  Ummm not hardly.  As I pointed out the gap in the popular vote was 3%...in most polls that's within the margin of error.  The total voter turn out was less for both parties.

And lets not even talk about the 3+ million republicans that stayed home and pouted.  What a difference they'd have made.

We continue to loose ground by standing in between them and their phone, it's a loose-loose proposition.

So what do we do...offer to give them a Mitt Phone?  Then what...we're no different than the Dems...a point that any Libtard candidate would be quick..and wise to point out at eletion time.

Just look at the "conservatives" that involved in the fight against the stupid fiscal cliff, they are already falling apart. The president says give me taxes on the 1%, give that to me now and we can talk spending cuts later.

Boehner and company aren't Conservatives.  He Cantor and McCarthy hate the TEA Party and and true Conservative candidate.  They've shut them out of leadership positions...ensured one of them didn't return to the 113th COngress and almost killed off another Conservative in Minnesota.

I mean he started flopping on his back and peeing on the carpet like a femal dog before the Dems or Obama had even made a proposal.

Like that's going to happen.

It won't.  We have history on our side with Reagan and Bush 41 to remind us.  But again...the leadership we have in the House isn't conservative...and isn't interested in anything we have to say.

It's all falling apart. Four more years of progressive activist judges. Probably at least 2 supremes. By fighting we are just delaying the inevitable and making more enemies along the way.

Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater are rolling in their graves at your willingness to concede to the Liberals what they don't have.

[txradioguy]

Have you people that want to rubber stamp not learned anything from the history of how Liberals operate?

If you think they will let the American public believe for one moment they bare any responsibility for what would happen in the next four years if we give them everything they want you're fooling yourself.

Not to mention the amount of power they'd consolidate in that time...especially if left unchecked and unchallenged.

By the time 2016 rolled around it would be illegal to call yourself Republican let alone associate with the TEA Party.

BTG would have his wish and myself Snugs and others in uniform would be under the operational control of the U.N. Thos of us that weren't in the dock at the ICC for "war crimes" for serving in Iraq or Afghanistan.

I'm not ready to roll over and let this president and the liberals turn us into a Socialist Utopia..and it's embarassing that so many people are.

[EagleKeeper]

No we haven't.  If we had..we'd have had a change in leadership...i.e. gotten rid of Boehner.  He's as big a threat to Conseratism as the Liberals.

Your right, so I have to wonder why is it that our leadership is something to the left of us? Personally I think that the reason is that they want to win re-election so they play to the mushy middle.

Totally outnumbered?  Ummm not hardly.  As I pointed out the gap in the popular vote was 3%...in most polls that's within the margin of error.  The total voter turn out was less for both parties.

And lets not even talk about the 3+ million republicans that stayed home and pouted.  What a difference they'd have made.

Mitt Romney won the primaries for a reason and it wasn't because he was perceived as a good conservative.

So what do we do...offer to give them a Mitt Phone?  Then what...we're no different than the Dems...a point that any Libtard candidate would be quick..and wise to point out at eletion time.

Well, it does seem work. Which is exactly why it's such an uphill battle.
 

Boehner and company aren't Conservatives.  He Cantor and McCarthy hate the TEA Party and and true Conservative candidate.  They've shut them out of leadership positions...ensured one of them didn't return to the 113th COngress and almost killed off another Conservative in Minnesota.

I mean he started flopping on his back and peeing on the carpet like a femal dog before the Dems or Obama had even made a proposal.

It won't.  We have history on our side with Reagan and Bush 41 to remind us.  But again...the leadership we have in the House isn't conservative...and isn't interested in anything we have to say.

Exactly right. Again, I have to ask myself why that is? Why do they play to the middle and the only answer I can come up with is they want to win re-election. And isn't that just another example of the truly conservative folkes in the GOP becoming more and more isolated. They see the numbers, they play this game not because they aren't at least somewhat conservative but because it is in their best interests to do so.

Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater are rolling in their graves at your willingness to concede to the Liberals what they don't have.

I truly apologise to these two gentlemen for that but continuing to do the same thing over and over expecting a different result...   

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

What can they consolidate?

The economy is collapsing. It's not "if" it's "when."

We didn't opose the liberal agenda because it was the liberal agenda, we opposed it because it was destined for failure and anyone attached to it was going to get hurt. We opposed it because it is self-destructive. It's unsustainable. They very thing they want is the thing they cannot afford to keep.

And **** the blue helmets. What're they gonna do?

More importantly: what are WE going to do. We are a political minority in a system decided by majority rule. We do not politically favorable winds. They own the government, schools, academia, pop culture and major media. It doesn't matter how sensible your argument is, the message and the messanger are despised.

Hell, we can't even unseat Boehner right now and he's in the one part of the government we do control.

What do we do? Speechify? Yay...we'll go to our political graves looking like Ron Paul.

Let the food riots begin. Let them shoot first. At the end of the day the tallest man in the room is the last one standing.

[EagleKeeper]

Oh, txradioguy, just one thing I'd like to mention.

While I admire the energy you are putting into your argument, trying to shame me into changing my opinion is, for some odd reason, counter productive.

[Dori]

There is another election in 2014.  The Repubs are going to get blamed no matter which way this goes down. 

[Ptarmigan]

IF you're anti-Obamacare...you're (fill in the blank on smears).

remember Snugs...you're talking about an electorate that still blames President Bush for the economic climate his successor created.

With that as a starting point...and with the help of our friends in the MSM...it's gonnabe easy to blame Republicans.

Here I can see this meme floating around..."If Republicans had gotten on board with universal/single payer health care in 1992 we wouldn't be in the health crisis we're in now."

Or this:

"Greedy Republican doctors and special interest groups more interested in a buck than treating people are the main roadbloacks to implementation of ObamaCare...they are feeding the coffers of (insert Republican Governor/Senator/Congresscritter) buying the off to prevent the State Exchanges from being built.

The media just needs that to run with and next thing you know...Brian Williams will be reporting eeevil Rethuglican doctors kicking old people to the curb and denying babies medicine because they siged up for ObamaCare.

They're getting ready to really rub our noses in it...and if we roll over as you suggest...then there's no telling what they will pass...without resistance to punish the states that don't cooperate.

 

You can bend and spread for the Dems...but don't complain about the sharp pain and lasting ill effect afterwrds.
 

Haven't you learned by now that Liberalism means NEVER having to take responsibility for your actions?
 

None of which is going to happen for the next four years.  Especialls since judges etc are passed in the Senate not the House.  Our best chance on getting to the bottom of Fast and Furious and Benghazi disappeared when Mitt lost.

If we roll over and don't fight what little political capital we have is gone.

Then that is exactly what we should do.  Fight them for every square inch of ground we are forced to yeild...until they are bled dry.  No one ever won a war playing defense.  Something Republicans never seem to learn.  Did the Dems fall back and retreat after 2010?  How about after 1994 and the Republican Revolution?

No they just fought harder...didn't change one iota...hell they came right out and dared us to stop them...we were in the majority and the Dems stilla cted like they were in charge..and we need to do the same.

They always play the race card game.

[txradioguy]

Oh, txradioguy, just one thing I'd like to mention.

While I admire the energy you are putting into your argument, trying to shame me into changing my opinion is, for some odd reason, counter productive.

Not trying to shame anyone...jsut trying to poing out the flaws in the reasoning.  Any feeling of being shamed isn't coming from me.

[txradioguy]

They always play the race card game.

That too.  Any criticism of one of their own...especially a minority is automatically silenced with things like "code words"..."dog whistle"...and "racist".

[txradioguy]

What can they consolidate?

The economy is collapsing. It's not "if" it's "when."

We didn't opose the liberal agenda because it was the liberal agenda, we opposed it because it was destined for failure and anyone attached to it was going to get hurt. We opposed it because it is self-destructive. It's unsustainable. They very thing they want is the thing they cannot afford to keep.

And **** the blue helmets. What're they gonna do?

More importantly: what are WE going to do. We are a political minority in a system decided by majority rule. We do not politically favorable winds. They own the government, schools, academia, pop culture and major media. It doesn't matter how sensible your argument is, the message and the messanger are despised.

Hell, we can't even unseat Boehner right now and he's in the one part of the government we do control.

What do we do? Speechify? Yay...we'll go to our political graves looking like Ron Paul.

Let the food riots begin. Let them shoot first. At the end of the day the tallest man in the room is the last one standing.

The biggest thing we have to do is quit acting like a party that enjoys being the minority.

Right now..especailly in Congress we've got leadership that's happy being the also ran as long as they hang on to their power.

IMHO the Republican party is suffering from batterd wives syndrome.

[docstew]

More importantly: what are WE going to do. We are a political minority in a system decided by majority rule. We do not politically favorable winds. They own the government, schools, academia, pop culture and major media. It doesn't matter how sensible your argument is, the message and the messanger are despisedthe self-appointed objective messenger will rewrite it before it gets to it's audience.

FIFY

The biggest thing we have to do is quit acting like a party that enjoys being the minority.

Right now..especailly in Congress we've got leadership that's happy being the also ran as long as they hang on to their power.

IMHO the Republican party is suffering from batterd wives syndrome.

If the republican establishment isn't willing to do what the base wants (i.e. defend the Constitution) then maybe it's time for the membership to part ways with the party.

All that being said, I'm still with Snugs on this. Until we have some way of reaching the Obamaphone voters with the truth, it won't matter what we do or say, it's all our fault. Better that they determine reality for themselves when the system collapses and we defend the Constitution until that happens. And to the poster who asked about which way the military will fall, just from informal talks with fellow Soldiers, the majority stand with the Constitution.

[txradioguy]

FIFY

If the republican establishment isn't willing to do what the base wants (i.e. defend the Constitution) then maybe it's time for the membership to part ways with the party.

All that being said, I'm still with Snugs on this. Until we have some way of reaching the Obamaphone voters with the truth, it won't matter what we do or say, it's all our fault. Better that they determine reality for themselves when the system collapses and we defend the Constitution until that happens. And to the poster who asked about which way the military will fall, just from informal talks with fellow Soldiers, the majority stand with the Constitution.

If the Relublicans...the so called establishment would quit running away from the TEA party types wewouldn't be having this discussion and disection of what went wrong.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

We need something feasible.

Asking Boehner to not be a ***** isn't feasible.

Acting as if we have the polical ability to stave of the inevitable isn't feasible.

Once upon a time I had a patient that needed adenosine and a defibrilator.

All the books and all the experts would tell me that what that man needed then and there was adenosine and a defibrilator.

I did not have adenosine and a defibrilator. There wasn't either within 10 miles of my location.


What can we actually DO?

[Dori]

Obama has put his cards on the table.  He wants to fall off the cliff.  He won't negotiate.  It's his way or the highway.

He trotted little Timmy Giethner out demanding 1.6 trillion in tax increases and the power to raise the debt limit without congress. 

McConnell laughed and Boehner said no-way.

Don't forget, the Senate has already voted to prevent the middle-class tax increases and it's up to the House to reject that or pass it.  Pelosi is going around Boehner to get that done. 

Obama is going to get what he wants without the House.  They might as well go home.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Obama has put his cards on the table.  He wants to fall off the cliff.  He won't negotiate...

I read once that each concession by Chamberlain only frustrated Hitler all the more. He wanted the calamity because he was convinced his superiority would win-out.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Hmmm...

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/30/should-republicans-put-forth-simpson-bowles/

Does the GOP have the balls?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Since I doubt the GOP has the balls to counter Obama with his own Simpson-Bowles proposal:

At this moment, Republicans in Congress need to examine which presents a more dire threat to the country:

A) A double-dip recession driven by the sequester and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, or

B) the public’s belief (verified through polling) that our giant debt, our ticking time bomb of entitlements, and our gargantuan government can be solved by “asking the richest Americans to pay a little bit more,” as Obama insists.

Option A is terrible, but Option B is the giant locked door blocking all of the real solutions.

So if we must have tax hikes, let the tax cuts for every income level expire and let everyone of every income level pay higher taxes. Destroy the illusion among so many voters that they can get all the government they want without paying more in taxes.

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/334425/sequester-or-publics-denial-bigger-problem#

If you cannot convince people of an idea the only thing that remains is a practical demonstration.

[Carl]

Since I doubt the GOP has the balls to counter Obama with his own Simpson-Bowles proposal:

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/334425/sequester-or-publics-denial-bigger-problem#

If you cannot convince people of an idea the only thing that remains is a practical demonstration.

Even that will not work though...look at Europe with countries utterly broke and people rioting for more freebies.

Lets be honest and not just trying to be controversial or outrageous.
If it comes to that point there almost has to be a hot war that we either win or lose.
To win it means the elimination of much of the taker class.
To lose it means a Mad Max aftermath (which will ultimately have the same result but slower) or totalitarian servitude similar to Soviet dominated eastern Europe.

Which is again why I ask...in that day what direction will the barrels of our existing military be pointed.
Without that on our side we can not prevail no matter how one wishes to think otherwise as I see it.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Which is again why I ask...in that day what direction will the barrels of our existing military be pointed.
Without that on our side we can not prevail no matter how one wishes to think otherwise as I see it.

There might be a few isolated incidences of the military taking to one side or the other but

1) the military is 3/5 conservative, 1/5 apolitical. Our 3/5 absolutely dominates the combat arms. Their remaining 1/5 are in less militant MOSs

2) if the Soviet army stood down when Gorbachev was losing power and would not overthrow Yeltsin when a coup was staged against him I seriously doubt Obama can get the US military to unleash its fury against what would literally be 100 million Americans to the favor of -- what? -- maybe 10 million dedicated leftists?

Hell, look at the breakdown on places like CA. Islands of blue amid a sea of red. Yes, they have the metropolitan areas but those are death traps when you actually have to feed and supply the people within them. Sorry, dazzling urbanites, but the redneck truckers aren't going to go into your cities if they're active riot/war zones and the logistics grid is only set-up for 3 days of inventory. Your EBT cards will be worthless.

Then, just look at who their "foot soldiers" are: despising organization, despising the military, rejecting of history, paid to be unproductive, schooled on fallacy, unable to delay personal gratification, disloyal, covetous, self-centered, physically weak and thriving on fantasy.

Would you want such an army at your back?

Against an army that embraces conservatism and its principles?

America has never lost a war; the Left merely gives them away.

THAT is your enemy.