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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2012, 02:43:24 PM »
It's not quitting.  It's changing tactics.  Sometimes you have to lose a few battles in order to win the war.

What tactics do you recommend?  Crashing the country so some other entity can take it over?  Like I said, it won't happen in a vacuum and no one will stand still to give us time to remake it.
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

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A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2012, 03:19:18 PM »
It's not defeatism, it's Sun Tzu.

Which Sun Tzu lesson is this?  I personally see what is being suggested as thus:

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Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor damped, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue.

What are you suggesting?
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

C.S. Lewis

A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2012, 03:59:28 PM »
I'm not calling it over. I'm saying the collapse is inevitable. We have to make sure we are not attached to it as much as possible.

I understand what you are saying, but there is no way we are going to be disconnected enough from a crash; that will not happen.

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What do we want?

Minimalist government. A government that does not pay people to be unproductive because it destroys prosperity and the desire to thrive. Once the collapse comes that will be the new state of things. We win either at the ballot box or by default from the fact we've defaulted and have no more money. Well, the opportunity to win at the ballot box has passed and as the article in the OP shows the GOP will be blamed if we are hurled over the fiscal cliff.

What you are saying is true and will happen just like you say - our principles win no matter if they are voted upon or learned the hard way.  But there will be plenty of outside "interests" that have no interest in a reconstituted, hyper conservative, hyper productive, enriched, enlightened, well armed, free society of people; that has been a threat to those that would see us broken for as long as America has existed. 

Ronald Reagan said it best when he said "We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness."

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Guess what? Pat Murray and the other dems know this and WANT us to go over the fiscal cliff. Their entire agenda is based on blaming us. So I say: give the ****ers everything they demand without an argument and a knowing smile on your face.

Their entire agenda has been to control all of us; do you think they are acting this way without a follow up plan?  By allowing them to crash the truck, we hand them the necessary excuses to put our troops in our streets for however long they decide.  Think we've lost freedoms now?  Hand an excuse for total martial law to a shithead like obinga and it will truly be over.  He wouldn't hesitate to arm his homies to ride herd on us and shoot however many of us they felt was necessary in addition to the drone strikes carried out in the name of "keeping the peace".  Yeah, we shoot back, but are we really that organized?  Could we get that way in the amount of time we have before the Treasury runs out of cash?  Are we prepared to fight off entitlement zombies, obinga's brownshirts, foreign interests, and our own armed forces at once?

I'm all for liberty, I'm all for doing what it takes to keep it, but smiling while I hand the moochtards a can of gas and matches to burn the whole country down?  No thanks.  I'll fight them for what we have and what can be regained, not what "could be".

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We're the industrious ones. The productive ones. The ones who accept circumstances and do what is necessary. So give the peasants what they demand. And once their masters have failed them be ready to pounce on every opportunity.

And there will be opportunities.

There always are.

There may be, but how many do you think there will be?  How do you see this playing out?

"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

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A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2012, 04:01:35 PM »
Yep! give the Democrats everything they want and publicize it, let the Democrats :ownit:!

Bally, I'm all for letting the moochtards own it - I even made a thread for them to witness their handiwork (not that any of it really sinks into their pointy heads).  But willingly letting them burn the country to the ground?  You would be all for that?
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

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A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2012, 05:28:21 PM »
Dankeschön, mein kleiner Hasenpfeffer der Zukunft.

It means: "Thank you nicely, my little peppered rabbit of the future!"

Besides Latin and Ancient Greek and European History, I taught German for 30 years.   O-)

I suspect that the Laws of Mathematics will prove to be inevitable: when a collapse occurs, you will most probably see the Left demand a new currency, cancellation of debts and contracts, including forfeiture by banks of mortgages, letting "homeowners" assume ownership without paying off the mortgage.

Banks will then be nationalized.

Wasp69 has suggested that I place this line here from an essay elsewhere:

"Why submit to the Dictatorship of the Lazytariat?" 

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2012, 06:32:50 PM »
What tactics do you recommend?  Crashing the country so some other entity can take it over?  Like I said, it won't happen in a vacuum and no one will stand still to give us time to remake it.

Tactics listed in posts 1 and 2.

It (the collapse) IS going to happen sooner or later.  Let the Dems own it in it's fullness.
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2012, 06:49:08 AM »
Their entire agenda has been to control all of us; do you think they are acting this way without a follow up plan?  By allowing them to crash the truck, we hand them the necessary excuses to put our troops in our streets for however long they decide.  Think we've lost freedoms now?  Hand an excuse for total martial law to a shithead like obinga and it will truly be over.  He wouldn't hesitate to arm his homies to ride herd on us and shoot however many of us they felt was necessary in addition to the drone strikes carried out in the name of "keeping the peace".  Yeah, we shoot back, but are we really that organized?  Could we get that way in the amount of time we have before the Treasury runs out of cash?  Are we prepared to fight off entitlement zombies, obinga's brownshirts, foreign interests, and our own armed forces at once?

We lost the election to an manifestly idiotic likes of Joe "they gonna put y'all back in chains" Biden and Sandra Fluke.

As moronic and refutable as they are they carried the message and we couldn't get a word in edgewise to the point that Romney netted FEWER votes than McCain even after 4 years of living proof of everything we warned about.

The people occupying the US want to be slaves of a bankrupt master. You cannot get them to vote for freedom because it is an evil thing to them. You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think.

So do you want the crash to come after 3 more year of dem control or 10 more years of dem control? Do you want to fight them while they're on a goofy "we won" sugar-high or after they've solidified their gains?
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2012, 07:39:08 AM »
I get the point and am kind of torn over the matter.
One flaw in the slaw as I see it is that if (most likely when) a complete collapse occurs we are still stuck with the mooching masses who will swarm to a tyrant that promises them safety and care.
That person will have no choice to virtually enslave a productive mass to extract the needed produce to keep in power.

My question is to you Snugs and others far more in the know then I will ever be is this.

In that time or leading to it if there is a revolt where will our military and its might fall...to the existing power or to the Constitution?
That is not in any way an indictment but the key question that will dictate the outcome in my mind.

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2012, 07:58:06 AM »
In light of the OP, this came up in my email this morning. Thought it would provide some fodder for the discussion:

By Walter E. Williams

For decades, it has been obvious that there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone. Which is the more peaceful solution: Americans using the brute force of government to beat liberty-minded people into submission or simply parting company? In a marriage, where vows are ignored and broken, divorce is the most peaceful solution. Similarly, our constitutional and human rights have been increasingly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.
Since Barack Obama's re-election, hundreds of thousands of petitions for secession have reached the White House. Some people have argued that secession is unconstitutional, but there's absolutely nothing in the Constitution that prohibits it. What stops secession is the prospect of brute force by a mighty federal government, as witnessed by the costly War of 1861. Let's look at the secession issue.

At the 1787 constitutional convention, a proposal was made to allow the federal government to suppress a seceding state. James Madison, the acknowledged father of our Constitution, rejected it, saying: "A Union of the States containing such an ingredient seemed to provide for its own destruction. The use of force against a State would look more like a declaration of war than an infliction of punishment and would probably be considered by the party attacked as a dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound."

On March 2, 1861, after seven states had seceded and two days before Abraham Lincoln's inauguration, Sen. James R. Doolittle of Wisconsin proposed a constitutional amendment that said, "No State or any part thereof, heretofore admitted or hereafter admitted into the Union, shall have the power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States."

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2012, 08:38:29 AM »
"The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2012, 08:56:53 AM »
It (the collapse) IS going to happen sooner or later.  Let the Dems own it in it's fullness.

Who will hang it on them?
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

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A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2012, 09:02:00 AM »
We lost the election to an manifestly idiotic likes of Joe "they gonna put y'all back in chains" Biden and Sandra Fluke.

As moronic and refutable as they are they carried the message and we couldn't get a word in edgewise to the point that Romney netted FEWER votes than McCain even after 4 years of living proof of everything we warned about.

The people occupying the US want to be slaves of a bankrupt master. You cannot get them to vote for freedom because it is an evil thing to them. You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think.

No argument here.

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So do you want the crash to come after 3 more year of dem control or 10 more years of dem control? Do you want to fight them while they're on a goofy "we won" sugar-high or after they've solidified their gains?

Okay, maybe I'm missing the grander scheme of what you are trying to say.  What opportunities do you see coming?  What is the next step after the crash and the zombie hordes burn down their blue shitholes?
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

C.S. Lewis

A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2012, 09:02:43 AM »
Who will hang it on them?

NOT MSM.....they will say it's the republicans fault because they didn't vote against it.
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2012, 09:15:39 AM »
This opinion piece is linked to by Hotair and Ace's place.

ENOUGH! The GOP Should Give Obama What He Wants

Okay, I’ve been watching the negotiations – if you can call Republicans negotiating with themselves while Obama still hasn’t put a plan on the table “negotiating” – over the “Fiscal Cliff” for weeks and it’s time for the GOP to stop before Lucy pulls the football away… again.

Here’s the reality: Obama is willing to go over the fiscal cliff instead of giving on tax hikes because he knows the GOP will get blamed for whatever happens if a deal isn’t reached. Republicans simply don’t have the skills to pull off blaming it on Democrats. They also don’t have a complicit media to help explain the reality of who is really holding the economy hostage (aka Obama).

Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – like entitlement reform, but only the promise of reform which we know will never come to fruition – they will predictably get slaughtered for “caving” instead of compromising, which is actually what they’d be doing. Again, the GOP doesn’t have the skill or a complicit media to explain how they compromised while Obama and Democrats didn’t.

Read more @ http://www.therightsphere.com/2012/11/enough-the-gop-should-give-obama-what-he-wants/
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2012, 09:16:31 AM »
I get the point and am kind of torn over the matter.
One flaw in the slaw as I see it is that if (most likely when) a complete collapse occurs we are still stuck with the mooching masses who will swarm to a tyrant that promises them safety and care.
That person will have no choice to virtually enslave a productive mass to extract the needed produce to keep in power.

Which is what their (liberal scum) plan is all along.  Collapsing the system is the only way they can seize power totally and their greedy electorate will beg for it.  The libs are not doing this without a final goal in mind.  They have selected a pliable, petulant sociopath (with carefully chosen handlers) who has a known record for clearing the field instead of actually competing.  Does anyone have any real doubt that he won't continue that behavioral pattern?  Does anyone believe the libs are acting in a fashion that doesn't have a plan for after the collapse?  By "libs" I mean the planners and handlers, not the useful idiots of DU and OWS.

Like I said, none of this will happen in a vacuum and they damn sure won't be interested in giving anyone time to reorganize into a stronger society than we currently see.

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My question is to you Snugs and others far more in the know then I will ever be is this.

In that time or leading to it if there is a revolt where will our military and its might fall...to the existing power or to the Constitution?
That is not in any way an indictment but the key question that will dictate the outcome in my mind.

The military would fracture, which is why I believe all of that ammo ordered for various govt agencies that don't need it would be on hot standby for obinga's brownshirts.  Like I said, we would have to be organized and supplied well enough to pick up the pieces while at the same time fighting off entitlement zombies, obinga's brownshirts, foreign interests, and our own armed forces at once.  

That's what I would see happening and I don't think it a good idea to hand them the matches to start the fire.
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A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2012, 09:34:45 AM »
No way in hell do we rubber stamp their screwed up agenda.

To do so borders on insanity.
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2012, 12:01:14 PM »
Who will hang it on them?

NOT MSM.....they will say it's the republicans fault because they didn't vote against it.

Precisely!

The fix is already in: the Dems already have maneuvered the Republicans to the edge by claiming that the Congressional Republicans have the power to stop taxes from rising, if only they "raised taxes on millionaires" and allowed more spending "to protect the middle class and the poor."

Not long ago the Dems were defining the expiration of the tax cuts as a non-increase in taxes, just a return to normalcy. That tap-dance went down The Memory Hole.

The doublethink agitprop is already being beamed throughout the ether for consumption by the unthinking masses. Check the White House on Twitter, FaceBook, etc.

The tongue-tied Republicans do not explain the facts, do not explain that the MAObama regime has FAILED to produce a budget for years, and is simply adding more straws to the camel's back by its insistence on more spending. And why are they tongue-tied?

Maybe the pork they consume has a very sticky barbecue sauce?   O-)

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2012, 02:32:51 PM »
Honestly, I'm not sure a blunt refusal to give an inch on Obama's part can or will be successfully portrayed in the MSM as purely the House majority's fault, since their own butts will be caught in the grinder with everyone else if we still have an impasse at Christmastime.  They'll be blaming everyone but Susan Rice and themselves, not just the House GOP.

So far the negotiations are typical Obama...say you're negotiating, then say everything the other side might actually want is nonnegotiable, don't say what you are willing to give a little on, and then go campaigning, golfing, or both,
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2012, 02:47:03 PM »
Eh...I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what platform do we as conservatives have that can be effective in explaining to the masses why they are wrong.

What do we have that can rival the MSM?

I'm not even talking about messaging, I'm talking about infrastructure. I'm talking about our bullhorn, where is it?

All I see is Fox news and conservative blogs. It didn't work and hasn't worked in the past so now what?
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2012, 03:48:58 PM »
Eh...I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what platform do we as conservatives have that can be effective in explaining to the masses why they are wrong.

What do we have that can rival the MSM?

I'm not even talking about messaging, I'm talking about infrastructure. I'm talking about our bullhorn, where is it?

All I see is Fox news and conservative blogs. It didn't work and hasn't worked in the past so now what?

To answer your question we first have to know WHY conservatives chose to sit out this election. Or did they? I don't even know what the truth IS any more! I do know this...the idiots that voted for O will never understand what is happening in this country.
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2012, 05:09:40 PM »
Who will hang it on them?

They will hang it on themselves.

They surely won't be able to hang it anyone else if they are given 100% of what they ask for.
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2012, 05:22:48 PM »
No way in hell do we rubber stamp their screwed up agenda.

To do so borders on insanity.

The insanity is already here.  The house will burn down and the liberal crowd is intentionally and willingly throwing gas on the fire.  It's merely a matter of time IMO.

The question is, how many 3rd degree burns are ya willing to have inflicted before you drop the garden hose?

Yes, I know this may seem like a very pessimistic attitude by some, and perhaps it is.  But I honestly view it as things that will come.

Allow me to post this little gem again:

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"The America of today is a laboratory example if what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout history.  A perfect democracy, a 'warm body' democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction.  It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens... which is opposed by the folly and lack of  self-restraint of other citizens.  What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in public interest for the safety and welfare of all.  But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it... which for the majority translates as 'Bread and Circuses'.

Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure.  Democracy often works beautifully at first.  But once the state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state.  For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in it's weakened condition the state succums to an invader - the barbarians enter Rome." ~ Robert Heinlein

We are on the cusp of that if not already past it IMO.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas, 1944

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2012, 06:14:55 PM »
They will hang it on themselves.

They surely won't be able to hang it anyone else if they are given 100% of what they ask for.

They don't take responsibility for anything, rich, what makes you think this will be any different?
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

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A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #48 on: November 28, 2012, 06:16:23 PM »
They don't take responsibility for anything, rich, what makes you think this will be any different?

I don't recall mentioning that they would take responsibility for it.
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2012, 09:06:07 PM »
No way in hell do we rubber stamp their screwed up agenda.

To do so borders on insanity.

We don't have the political power to affect a different outcome. All we can do is:

A)  fight on principles

in which case we take the blame for being obstructionists when the obvious occurs.  Keep in mind, Obama and the dems are engineering the collapse even as we chat.  The American people are already primed to blame us. Thus the dems have every reason to do it and no reason not to.

B) give the enemy that which will harm him the most.

The peasants will learn soon enough.  And the US military will neither turn on us (if the Soviet  army refused to engage in mass slaughter  in 1989 how much less US troops?). Nor will they tolerate foreigners.

We aren't going to go Tim McVeigh but we can network to mutually support each other with jobs, commodities, contacts, advice.

I strongly doubt we'll see a Weimar Republic scenario but we have a strong likelihood of another Great Depression with regional wars in the PG and / or the South China Sea.

Their chickens will come home to roost soon enough. We just need to make sure that we can say, "See, I told you so! Say... your daughter is kinda cute."
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