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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2012, 07:22:36 AM »
As a fellow Ohioan, but not one in his district, I will be the first to admit that Boehner is a dinosaur, in fact a dinosaur living in a fantasy land.

BIG BRObama and Company are not "practical politicians" who will compromise in good faith about anything.

They are Bad Faith Fanatics, who N E V E R compromise!

Churchill once wrote that the biggest mistake European politicians made in dealing with Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini, was that the leaders treated these dictators as if they were fellow practical politicians who worried about elections and would deal in good faith about issues.

As a result the dictators won every negotiation because they had no intention of keeping their side of the bargain.

Stalin passed his legacy onward to later Soviet leaders, who won every negotiation about nuclear arms reductions.  Months after every almost treaty or agreement was signed, there would be a head-scratching admission from the State Department that the "Soviets are cheating" on the latest arms agreement!

Of course they are cheating...they're COMMUNISTS!   ::)

The Russians learned such duplicitous diplomacy from the Byzantine Greeks, since the Byzantines survived for as long as they did (a thousand years roughly, 400-1453 A.D. although the last 150 years were dreadful) by employing such deceitful tactics for a strategy of survival, because they were surrounded by Slavs, Arabs, and Turks, not to mention Venetians.

If only American politicians had paid better attention in History class.... O-)
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2012, 08:30:10 AM »
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/335557.php

I read that just this morning, I think it's a good read but I also think he does not emphasize the whole "getting a third degree burn in order the learn that fire is hot" thing enough.
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #102 on: December 12, 2012, 10:00:42 AM »
Gaining steam.

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Are higher taxes inevitable? If they are, Senator Rand Paul wants no Republican fingerprints on them. Last night, he told Greta van Susteren on Fox News that House Republicans should pass a bill with their specific plan to cut spending and fix the tax code to address the fiscal-cliff issues, and dare the Senate to take it up. If Democrats refuse, then Paul wants the House to hold a vote on the Democratic plan, with Republicans voting “present” to allow Democrats to pass the bill. That way, the economic damage from tax hikes will be totally owned by Democrats, and Republicans will have kept their hands clean..

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/12/rand-paul-let-dems-raise-taxes-and-own-the-result/
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #103 on: December 12, 2012, 08:33:34 PM »
I certainly agree with that last paragraph.  How much political capital one has is extremely difficult to measure, and easy to over-estimate, especially if you're dealing with a narcissistic megalomaniac.  Anybody who only got 50.6% of the popular vote, just doesn't have bottomless political capital.  Plus, he's widely despised with a deep, boiling passion. 

Now, I've never lived through a period of time where there was a tax revolt.  What is he referring to when he says a "good old fashioned tax revolt?" 

Hi,

The TEA party was the beginning of a tax revolt.  It stood for Taxed Enough Already, 250,000 people marched on Washington and they ignored it.  Now, thanks to both parties and media tea party is the most negative word in politics.  The Boston Tea party was a tax revolt.

Years ago California had a tax revolt when they passed an amendment to their state constitution to cap property taxes.  The common response by the government is to "punish" the public for such things like immediately cancelling popular things like high school sports. 

Over the long haul, people get fed up and either stop paying taxes all together, as happens in much of Greece, or they storm the capital and run them all out of town and form a new government.

Eventually the working public is going to say enough already and it will get really ugly.  Were I to guess, many states will try to secede and form their own union.

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #104 on: December 12, 2012, 08:37:03 PM »
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #105 on: December 13, 2012, 10:20:37 AM »
The fact of the matter is: Obama wants the GOP to cave on taxes -- not revenue, but taxes specificially -- so that you, the GOP voter, no longer trusts the GOP. Obama wants YOU to be pissed off and stay home because the party betrayed you.

Conversely, the GOP doesn't want to raise taxes because they know it will ruin their brand and, as we all know, it'll amount to nothing because the deficit will continue to grow because the money will be spent on new shit, not deficit reduction. That's assuming new money even comes in because every GOPer assumes economic activity will be stifled.

If we encourage our reps to vote "present" we relieve them of the burden of sacrificing the brand. Taxes are going to go up regardless. The American people have to pay for what they demand be given to them. But they will not heed to economic facts until thos facts hit them in the face like a brick.

Let the dems own the tax hikes and let the GOP off the hook. Let the peasants pay for their free stuff.
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #106 on: December 18, 2012, 09:55:32 AM »
The American people are morons:

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Most Americans want President Obama and congressional Republicans to compromise on a budget agreement, though they, too, are unhappy about the options that would avert the “fiscal cliff,” according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The strong support for compromise belies widespread public opposition to big spending cuts that are likely to be part of any deal.

Most Americans oppose slashing spending on Medicaid and the military, as well as raising the age for Medicare eligibility and slowing the increase of Social Security benefits, all of which appear to be on the table in negotiations. Majorities call each of these items “unacceptable.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-most-want-fiscal-cliff-compromise-but-oppose-cuts-that-may-be-part-of-deal/2012/12/18/4876b79a-4877-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html

At hotair.com Capt Ed explains

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...large majorities oppose reforming the programs that actually drive the deficits that have created the fiscal cliff.   Six in ten oppose raising Medicare eligibility to 67; the same percentage opposes a move to chained CPI to slow down cost-of-living increases.  These are two of the mildest reforms on the table.  Talk about magical thinking.  Where else are we supposed to cut?  Oh, yeah — the Pentagon, whose entire budget only comprises about 65% of the entire annual deficit — and even there, 55% believe further cuts are unacceptable. Every choice of cuts and reform is deemed “unacceptable” by a majority in this poll.
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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #107 on: December 18, 2012, 10:05:42 AM »
The fact of the matter is: Obama wants the GOP to cave on taxes -- not revenue, but taxes specificially -- so that you, the GOP voter, no longer trusts the GOP. Obama wants YOU to be pissed off and stay home because the party betrayed you.

Conversely, the GOP doesn't want to raise taxes because they know it will ruin their brand and, as we all know, it'll amount to nothing because the deficit will continue to grow because the money will be spent on new shit, not deficit reduction. That's assuming new money even comes in because every GOPer assumes economic activity will be stifled.

If we encourage our reps to vote "present" we relieve them of the burden of sacrificing the brand. Taxes are going to go up regardless. The American people have to pay for what they demand be given to them. But they will not heed to economic facts until thos facts hit them in the face like a brick.

Let the dems own the tax hikes and let the GOP off the hook. Let the peasants pay for their free stuff.

I actually posted this morning how sick I am of the Republican party and them caving.  I am glad you are here in all your fuzzyness to bring me back to my senses to stay on course.






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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #108 on: December 19, 2012, 08:18:46 AM »
The American people are morons:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-most-want-fiscal-cliff-compromise-but-oppose-cuts-that-may-be-part-of-deal/2012/12/18/4876b79a-4877-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html

At hotair.com Capt Ed explains


They're only morons because they're being "informed" by morons in the MSM.

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #109 on: December 19, 2012, 08:54:56 AM »
Boehner can twist himself into a pretzel and it still won't have any bearing on our economy.  We probably went over the cliff a few trillion ago and Bernanke is cranking out 85 billion a month in monopoly money because he doesn't know what else to do.

Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.   

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Re: It's time to rubber-stamp the liberal agenda
« Reply #110 on: December 19, 2012, 11:09:13 AM »
Boehner can twist himself into a pretzel and it still won't have any bearing on our economy.  We probably went over the cliff a few trillion ago and Bernanke is cranking out 85 billion a month in monopoly money because he doesn't know what else to do.

Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.   



Actually, the ride will be kinda fun, exciting, and even smooth...until we hit rock bottom.  And then we're ****ed.
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