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No Republican preisdent has ever...
« on: March 20, 2012, 05:04:50 PM »
followed a Democrat into the White House and see job creation rise.

It has simply never happened, barr none , without exception.

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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2012, 05:12:32 PM »
Calling bullshit.

Let's see your data points, i.e. private vs public sector jobs.

The Carter stat is laughable on its face. Remember the Misery Index (assuming you're old enough and not just regurgitating today's college class)?

How about JFK lowering taxes to spur growth?

Did you know defense spending as a % of GDP was higher under JFK, LBJ etc?

How much of Clinton's numbers were a part of Newt's congress?
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2012, 05:17:11 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on March 20, 2012, 05:12:32 PM
Calling bullshit.

Let's see your data points, i.e. private vs public sector jobs.

The Carter stat is laughable on its face. Remember the Misery Index (assuming you're old enough and not just regurgitating today's college class)?

How about JFK lowering taxes to spur growth?

Did you know defense spending as a % of GDP was higher under JFK, LBJ etc?

How much of Clinton's numbers were a part of Newt's congress?

If you are calling BS ... then you need to post the name of the republican president who makes me a liar.

"the Carter stat is laughable" ... my numbers come from the BLS ... where do your numbers come from ?

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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2012, 05:28:16 PM »
Quote from: Keywester on March 20, 2012, 05:04:50 PM
followed a Democrat into the White House and see job creation rise.

It has simply never happened, barr none , without exception.



2.bp.blogspot.com is the BLS?

Who knew?

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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2012, 05:30:44 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 20, 2012, 05:28:16 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com is the BLS?

Who knew?

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Those numbers match what the BLS have , thus these numbers are found on the BLS site.

If I am wrong then post the GOP name that makes me a liar....

Don't worry . you won't be the only one to fail.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 05:31:55 PM »
Quote from: Keywester on March 20, 2012, 05:17:11 PM
If you are calling BS ... then you need to post the name of the republican president who makes me a liar.

"the Carter stat is laughable" ... my numbers come from the BLS ... where do your numbers come from ?

waiting....

Don't get mouthy with me ****-drippings.

Your graphic comes from a blogspot post which--you being you--can be Nadin'ed to a wikipedia article:

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The exact usefulness of these numbers is debated. On the one hand, they include only nonfarm payroll employment, which excludes certain types of jobs, notably the self-employed. However, as a semi-balancing factor, they count one person with two jobs as two employed persons.

Additionally, for at least the first eight months of a President's term, he inherits a budget proposed and implemented by his predecessor (as well as an overall economy which may be in decline or recovery). The data in columns shown for September (in bold) correlate better with the federal fiscal year starting each October, showing the impact of a given president and resulting federal budget on the job count.

Moreover, according to the United States Constitution, the United States Congress is responsible for government spending and thus, regardless of Presidential advocacy, bears constitutional responsibility for such things as spending and tax policy that have enormous effects upon the economy. Furthermore, it is debatable how much effect any President realistically could have on a system as large, diverse, and complex as the U.S. economy. Nevertheless, the nonfarm payrolls number is the one most frequently used in the media and by economists, largely because the alternative (household survey numbers) is thought to drastically overestimate employment.

Another factor to consider is population growth, which provides opportunities for the creation of jobs, rendering these figures less impressive, or in the case of the already subpar, clearly insufficient.

The Heritage Foundation has pointed to Alan Greenspan's general economic optimism (in 2004) as support for household survey numbers over payroll numbers. However, the subsequent downturn, and Greenspan's admission of having been wrong, may have discredited that view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

Obama has been running 9+% UE his entire presidency while Bush ran circa 4.5%


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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 05:34:02 PM »
Quote from: Keywester on March 20, 2012, 05:30:44 PM
Those numbers match what the BLS have , thus these numbers are found on the BLS site.

If I am wrong then post the GOP name that makes me a liar....

Don't worry . you won't be the only one to fail.

Did I say you were a liar?

Nope.

Do try again.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2012, 05:35:23 PM »
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Obama has been running 9+% UE his entire presidency

So , you are telling me the unemployment rate is over 9% ???????????

You better go lay down , ... maybe get a head x-ray.


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Save you're reply.


but of course , post an outright lie and run for the hills.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2012, 05:36:12 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 20, 2012, 05:34:02 PM
Did I say you were a liar?

Nope.

Do try again.

If you agree with me , then why do you think the GOP is the party of job creation ?
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2012, 05:37:17 PM »
Quote from: Keywester on March 20, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
If you agree with me , then why do you think the GOP is the party of job creation ?

Did you see me claim that the GOP is the party of job creation?

Nope.

Do try again.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 05:40:15 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 20, 2012, 05:37:17 PM
Did you see me claim that the GOP is the party of job creation?

Nope.

Do try again.

Imagine that.

Another rational person.

Do you know why the GOP thinks they are the party of job creation ?
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 05:46:24 PM »
Quote from: Keywester on March 20, 2012, 05:40:15 PM
Imagine that.

Another rational person.

Do you know why the GOP thinks they are the party of job creation ?

I don't know that the GOP thinks that they are.  You are speaking of the GOP as if it is a single entity.  It is not.

It is made up of millions of people.  Just like the DNC is.  Certain members of either group (particularly the leadership) don't necessarily speak for all members.

You should know that.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2012, 05:50:27 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 20, 2012, 05:46:24 PM
I don't know that the GOP thinks that they are.  You are speaking of the GOP as if it is a single entity.  It is not.

It is made up of millions of people.  Just like the DNC is.  Certain members of either group (particularly the leadership) don't necessarily speak for all members.

You should know that.

Call up any of the GOP leadership and their office will tell you the GOP is better at creating jobs.

This view comes straight from the top.

Imagine being a GOP voter , and crossing your fingers thinking .."this is the time a republican will win and see job creation rise" ...ignoring that it has never happened in the history of the planet earth

Talk about a brainwash.

There is a reply to my OP ... but nobody has posted it , probably cause it's to embarrassing
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 05:53:06 PM »
Quote from: Keywester on March 20, 2012, 05:50:27 PM
Call up any of the GOP leadership and their office will tell you the GOP is better at creating jobs.

This view comes straight from the top.

Imagine being a GOP voter , and crossing your fingers thinking .."this is the time a republican will win and see job creation rise" ...ignoring that it has never happened in the history of the planet earth

Talk about a brainwash.

There is a reply to my OP ... but nobody has posted it , probably cause it's to embarrassing

I guess you missed this part:  Certain members of either group (particularly the leadership) don't necessarily speak for all members.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 05:57:03 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 20, 2012, 05:53:06 PM
I guess you missed this part:  Certain members of either group (particularly the leadership) don't necessarily speak for all members.

You are one confused person.

First off you shouldn't compare the GOP to the DNC.

If you want to be accurate , you need to compare the DNC to the RNC ... and the GOP to the Democratic Party

And if you think I said EVERY SINGLE republican felt the same way then you need to go back to school , but I bet you can't find one repub anywhere that claimes the Dems are better at creating jobs .. but that thought never went through your mind.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2012, 05:57:06 PM »
BTW....


What is so great about the liberal agenda?  In other words, why are you a liberal?

Yeah, I know it's off topic, but your responses might give us a chance to get yo know you a little better.

Who knows?  We might even find some common ground.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2012, 06:01:10 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 20, 2012, 05:57:06 PM
BTW....


What is so great about the liberal agenda?  In other words, why are you a liberal?

Yeah, I know it's off topic, but your responses might give us a chance to get yo know you a little better.

Who knows?  We might even find some common ground.

Bush was handed a mild recession from Bill Clinton. Bush did what he thought would be best for the nation , we didn't see positive job growth for OVER  2 years.

Obama was handed a very very deep recession , he did what he thought was best for the nation , we saw positive job growth in about 1 year.

Think it over , it's a recent example to chew on.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2012, 06:02:30 PM »
According to International Business Times Reagan created almost 6 million more jobs then Carter did, so there goes your theory, also under Clinton we had the .com bubble burst and 5 trillion dollars was lost hence causing a Bush inherited recession, add to that a total disregard of foreign policy in the Clinton Administration and the loss of persons and the amount of money we're forced to spend because of that disregard has been astronomical.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2012, 06:04:21 PM »
Bush had 911 in his first term. I'm sure that played a role in slow job growth for a while anyway.All I know is that I had a job ( had it for 15 yrs) until 2009...now I'm not considered "unemployed" but I'm working for 10/hr less than I was. (Waffle House vs. engineering tech at a manufacturing facility). Under-employment is rampant. And how much of the job growth is govt jobs vs. private sector jobs?
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2012, 06:05:03 PM »
Quote from: Keywester on March 20, 2012, 05:57:03 PM
You are one confused person.

First off you shouldn't compare the GOP to the DNC.

If you want to be accurate , you need to compare the DNC to the RNC ... and the GOP to the Democratic Party

And if you think I said EVERY SINGLE republican felt the same way then you need to go back to school , but I bet you can't find one repub anywhere that claimes the Dems are better at creating jobs .. but that thought never went through your mind.

Awww...  How quickly you resorted to veiled insults.

Tsk tsk.  Not a good way to win the hearts and minds of those you might be wishing to influence.

You obviously understood my point of GOP and DNC.  You merely wanted something to quibble about perhaps?

Same with your comment about what thoughts may or may not have crossed my mind.

Since you are in the mood to split hairs, perhaps you should use Republican party rather than GOP?  GOP is merely a nick-name as I am sure you are aware.

I sincerely hope you can do better than that moving forward.

p.s.  I hope you don't mind if I prefer Democrat Party over Democratic Party.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2012, 06:06:20 PM »
Quote from: Keywester on March 20, 2012, 06:01:10 PM
Bush was handed a mild recession from Bill Clinton. Bush did what he thought would be best for the nation , we didn't see positive job growth for OVER  2 years.

Obama was handed a very very deep recession , he did what he thought was best for the nation , we saw positive job growth in about 1 year.

Think it over , it's a recent example to chew on.

Positive job growth? real unemployment is over 11% and underemployment is over 20%. Add to that Obama increasing the deficit in 3 years more then Bush did in 8 years.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2012, 06:07:14 PM »
Quote from: Keywester on March 20, 2012, 06:01:10 PM
Bush was handed a mild recession from Bill Clinton. Bush did what he thought would be best for the nation , we didn't see positive job growth for OVER  2 years.

Obama was handed a very very deep recession , he did what he thought was best for the nation , we saw positive job growth in about 1 year.

Think it over , it's a recent example to chew on.

That's it?  Your entire support of the liberal agenda is based on what you perceive as job creations?

Surely there is more to it than that.  At least I hope there is.
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2012, 06:08:38 PM »
Keywestlib. Your thesis is falling apart. Aren't you going to driveby defend it ?
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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2012, 06:10:22 PM »
Quote from: dixierose on March 20, 2012, 06:04:21 PM
Bush had 911 in his first term. I'm sure that played a role in slow job growth for a while anyway.All I know is that I had a job ( had it for 15 yrs) until 2009...now I'm not considered "unemployed" but I'm working for 10/hr less than I was. (Waffle House vs. engineering tech at a manufacturing facility). Under-employment is rampant. And how much of the job growth is govt jobs vs. private sector jobs?

I know that the only times I have ever been laid off from a job, we had a Democrat in the WH.

Just saying.....


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Re: No Republican preisdent has ever...
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2012, 06:13:34 PM »
So how's Obama doing?
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