Good-bye USA...

[Thor]

What?

Dude, seriously.

A fight is a fight and there will always be fights. Humanity will never stop fighting.

Ever. Having to fight only means you wound-up on planet Earth. Nothing more, nothing less.

Find one person that has said everything will be rosy. Last time I checked this thread everyone sees November as the ebginning of the fight.

And yet you seem too timid to even put your hand on the brake lever.

You just sit there and cry while real men and women will carry your freedom for you because apparently its too heavy for you to hold up on your own.

OUCH!!! MSB, I'd like you to know, Minnesota is a strange place. It's a place where people CLAIM to be "Conservative", but they are loathe to enlist in the military and often chase military recruiters away.(Been there, received THAT)  bkg is from there, so this is no surprise to me.  Mothers Against Military Madness is HQ'ed in St Paul, MN, if that gives you any clue.

And cavegal, I just read where Bill Gates allegedly "turned over the keys" to the internet to the 0bamao Administration. If "Dear Leader" can silence the opposition, we are lost as far as "peaceful means". It's time to turn to steganography and other encryption methods.

[formerlurker]

sometimes that's all that people have as a response, Rich... Hence my point about November. People soo excited to see a change, thinking that's going to start the big salvation. It will not do anything. It's only a point in time that may slow the train. People don't like to hear the truth about that, so they attack. Which I find ironic and entertaining all at the same time.

And MSB - you made me laugh. Seriously.  

"People".......  I honestly don't know who is worse -- you or the Obama-latte-sipping-elitist-theorists he surrounds himself with.

You keep dabbling in theory.  I will keep dabbling in practice.


 

[formerlurker]

Official mascot of the libertarian "real conservative" party.

[rich_t]

sometimes that's all that people have as a response, Rich... Hence my point about November. People soo excited to see a change, thinking that's going to start the big salvation. It will not do anything. It's only a point in time that may slow the train. People don't like to hear the truth about that, so they attack. Which I find ironic and entertaining all at the same time.

And MSB - you made me laugh. Seriously. 

I don't agree that it (GOP) will do nothing.  I concur that they might NOT do what some of us desire.

But at the end of the day:

"The America of today is a laboratory example if what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout history.  A perfect democracy, a 'warm body' democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction.  It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restaint of citizens... which is opposed by the folly and lack of  self-restraint of other citizens.  What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each soveriegn citizen will always vote in public interest for the safety and welfare of all.  But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it... which for the majority translates as 'Bread and Circuses'.

Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure.  Democracy often works beautifully at first.  But once the state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state.  For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in it's weakened condition the state succums to an invader - the barbarians enter Rome."

.

We now have 47% of the population that has zero tax liability and many actually get a refund check back for more than they paid into the system.

We are 4 percent away from total destruction as a republic.  It WILL happen, and probably within MY lifetime.

[cavegal]

And cavegal, I just read where Bill Gates allegedly "turned over the keys" to the internet to the 0bamao Administration. If "Dear Leader" can silence the opposition, we are lost as far as "peaceful means". It's time to turn to steganography and other encryption methods.

I am thinking how they talked to each other back in the day before all this...??/I also agree as far as "peaceful means"  How about ham radios and cb radios ...we have to get info to each other.. Of course the biggest baddest government in the world is going to do all they can to stop that.

[rich_t]

"People".......  I honestly don't know who is worse -- you or the Obama-latte-sipping-elitist-theorists he surrounds himself with.

You keep dabbling in theory.  I will keep dabbling in practice.


 

Have you learned NOTHING concerning the last 6 decades of DC politics?

BKG is correct in his scepticism IMO.  Historically speaking the GOP has done very little to retard or stop progressive tendancies in recent decades.

[Carl]

sometimes that's all that people have as a response, Rich... Hence my point about November. People soo excited to see a change, thinking that's going to start the big salvation. It will not do anything. It's only a point in time that may slow the train. People don't like to hear the truth about that, so they attack. Which I find ironic and entertaining all at the same time.

And MSB - you made me laugh. Seriously. 

Dude,you have spent a week here desperately taunting and trying to get into an argument where you can go off on your Libertarian,I hate Republicans obsession.
Up until today you have been basically ignored with it because everyone at this point considers it to be trollish and juvenile yet you still have convinced yourself it is because you are so enlightened.

Catch a clue,no one is interested in stopping you from believing what you wish to but at the same time few here consider your opinion worth much because of the antics.

Deal with it.

[Chris_]

BKG is correct in his scepticism IMO.  Historically speaking the GOP has done very little to retard or stop progressive tendancies in recent decades.

You have a valid point, but the constant crybabying about it is getting old.

[Thor]

Have you learned NOTHING concerning the last 6 decades of DC politics?

BKG is correct in his scepticism IMO.  Historically speaking the GOP has done very little to retard or stop progressive tendancies in recent decades.

Hence, one of the MANY reasons I left the GOP. There are still some true conservative GOP members out there such as Michelle Bachmann. They are few and far between, though.

[cavegal]

 

[bkg]

You have a valid point, but the constant crybabying about it is getting old.

The irony of this statement, given the threads you have started (i.e. nothing exactly positive) make me giggle like a school girl.

[bkg]

Dude,you have spent a week here desperately taunting and trying to get into an argument where you can go off on your Libertarian,I hate Republicans obsession.
Up until today you have been basically ignored with it because everyone at this point considers it to be trollish and juvenile yet you still have convinced yourself it is because you are so enlightened.

Catch a clue,no one is interested in stopping you from believing what you wish to but at the same time few here consider your opinion worth much because of the antics.

Deal with it.

Some of you have such thin skin that if you don't like the message, you attack the messanger (Some dude named Alinsky comes to mind). I don't really care too much if you don't like me. But please point out where I've at all incorrect and we can engage in a conversation... Or put me on ignore. Easy enough.

I'm interested in exactly what is Theory about my statemets... I may be an opinionated a-hole, but I'm not idiotic enough to think that this train will turn around anytime soon.

[Chris_]

I just put it out there.  Do you see me constantly downing the Republican party?  You are so ****ing predictable, it's a joke.  Oh hey, Brian made a post... let's see what it is.

A) Complaining about the GOP
B) Whining about the GOP
C) Bitching about the GOP
D) All of the above

[bkg]

Hence, one of the MANY reasons I left the GOP. There are still some true conservative GOP members out there such as Michelle Bachmann. They are few and far between, though.

she's under major attack up here right now, btw...

[bkg]

I just put it out there.  Do you see me constantly downing the Republican party?  You are so ****ing predictable, it's a joke.  Oh hey, Brian made a post... let's see what it is.

A) Complaining about the GOP
B) Whining about the GOP
C) Bitching about the GOP
D) All of the above

Gotcha... Don't complain about the shit job the GOP (or anyone else) has done in the last few decades... Only complain about the DNC. Got it. 

[formerlurker]

Some of you have such thin skin that if you don't like the message, you attack the messanger (Some dude named Alinsky comes to mind). I don't really care too much if you don't like me. But please point out where I've at all incorrect and we can engage in a conversation... Or put me on ignore. Easy enough.

I'm interested in exactly what is Theory about my statemets... SI may be an opinionated a-hole, but I'm not idiotic enough to think that this train will turn around anytime soon.

Catch a clue,no one is interested in stopping you from believing what you wish to but at the same time few here consider your opinion worth much because of the antics.

[formerlurker]

Gotcha... Don't complain about the shit job the GOP (or anyone else) has done in the last few decades... Only complain about the DNC. Got it. 

Good-bye USA...

Seriously?

[bkg]

Good-bye USA...

Seriously?

Seriously - did you read my post where I stated I should have re-worded it?

IMHO - if this lawsuit happens, it's a direct afront to the entire premise that the USA was founded upon... same model that lead to the civil war. If this happens, and they WIN (or even dliberate), then the 10th is likely DEAD... and if the 10th is dead, the Republic is dead... That the Feds even contimplate this is scary and shoul dbe a massive wake up call to the states and citizens alike. It's a very dangerous precident with a massively dangerous potential result.

If they win - or even get 4 votes (assuming SCOTUS), are you saying it's not going to have  massive effecting on the Republic, and therefore the USA as we know it?

And what does that title have to do with the GOP?

[Carl]

Some of you have such thin skin that if you don't like the message, you attack the messanger (Some dude named Alinsky comes to mind). I don't really care too much if you don't like me. But please point out where I've at all incorrect and we can engage in a conversation... Or put me on ignore. Easy enough.

I'm interested in exactly what is Theory about my statemets... SI may be an opinionated a-hole, but I'm not idiotic enough to think that this train will turn around anytime soon.

You make the post or thread you answer the challenge,that is how it works.
You never do but always try to make a distraction or diversion and "you make me fawking laugh" is not a debate point.

Tell us all then since it is your thread how we get 218 representatives and 51 senators that are solid conservatives no matter what letter follows their names and also what exactly you are doing to make that happen.

I doubt you will because you never do and if the pattern holds you will go away for a while until you think everyone has forgotten and then come back and start the trolling again.

It is your thread so step up to the plate for once.

[NHSparky]

Seriously - did you read my post where I stated I should have re-worded it?

IMHO - if this lawsuit happens, it's a direct afront to the entire premise that the USA was founded upon... same model that lead to the civil war. If this happens, and they WIN (or even dliberate), then the 10th is likely DEAD... and if the 10th is dead, the Republic is dead... That the Feds even contimplate this is scary and shoul dbe a massive wake up call to the states and citizens alike. It's a very dangerous precident with a massively dangerous potential result.

If they win - or even get 4 votes (assuming SCOTUS), are you saying it's not going to have  massive effecting on the Republic, and therefore the USA as we know it?

And what does that title have to do with the GOP?

Newsflash, genius--the 10th has been dead since 1900.  You just now figuring that out?

[bkg]

You make the post or thread you answer the challenge,that is how it works.
You never do but always try to make a distraction or diversion and "you make me fawking laugh" is not a debate point.

Tell us all then since it is your thread how we get 218 representatives and 51 senators that are solid conservatives no matter what letter follows their names and also what exactly you are doing to make that happen.

I doubt you will because you never do and if the pattern holds you will go away for a while until you think everyone has forgotten and then come back and start the trolling again.

It is your thread so step up to the plate for once.

Okay - let's play. What do you want to know? We will NOT get 218/51 conservatives, which is exactly why I stated November is but a point in time and nothing that will stop this barge.

Next questoin. This time try w/o an insult.

[bkg]

Newsflash, genius--the 10th has been dead since 1900.  You just now figuring that out?

An erosion of the COTUS that few elected officials have done anything to stop, especailly at the Fed layer. Makes no difference the letter behind their name, they are few and far between. Allowing erosion to continue, or simply refusing to talk about it, is not a tactic we can allow w/o massive consequence.

[Carl]

Okay - let's play. What do you want to know? We will NOT get 218/51 conservatives, which is exactly why I stated November is but a point in time and nothing that will stop this barge.

Next questoin. This time try w/o an insult.

So what is your point then...you imply you understand the reality of the political world but do nothing but whine about it here.

You also did not answer the question as to what we all can do to try to make it so and what YOU are doing where you are.

No more trying to change the subject.

[formerlurker]

Seriously - did you read my post where I stated I should have re-worded it?

IMHO - if this lawsuit happens, it's a direct afront to the entire premise that the USA was founded upon... same model that lead to the civil war. If this happens, and they WIN (or even dliberate), then the 10th is likely DEAD... and if the 10th is dead, the Republic is dead... That the Feds even contimplate this is scary and shoul dbe a massive wake up call to the states and citizens alike. It's a very dangerous precident with a massively dangerous potential result.

If they win - or even get 4 votes (assuming SCOTUS), are you saying it's not going to have  massive effecting on the Republic, and therefore the USA as we know it?

And what does that title have to do with the GOP?

WTF?    the ability to file the lawsuit itself is the safeguard the authors of the Constitution put in place.   What on earth is the position of SCOTUS in your world?  

The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

To recap.  The Obama Administration believes it is the position of federal government to police illegal immigration and not that of states.   He is wrong of course, but will play it out through the federal court system  AS COTUS ALLOWS.      

Just because you don't like the cause of action doesn't freakin mean they can't do it.  

[Carl]

Btw...I do think it is important to elect people that oppose the lib agenda even if it means that they are not always on the same page.

Immigration reform was a doa issue just a few years ago...now it is swinging our way.
The mushy middle thought they could have a free lunch with O and have discovered it is a sh!t sandwich.

Fairly criticize the GOP for spending too much when in power but also admit that they have held socialism as the left wants it at bay and have had a pro growth economic agenda with a serious effort to end radical islamist terrorism.

The nonsense that there is no difference with dems is just that...nonsense and deliberately dishonest.