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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2010, 06:01:35 PM »
Is this guy like 12 or something? :loser:

Chronologically or mentally?

Mentally I wouldn't even credit him with that much experience.
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2010, 06:12:34 PM »
Allowing a self professed commie to post freely certainly does speak to TCC's fairness, though.

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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2010, 06:14:52 PM »
Allowing a self professed commie to post freely certainly does speak to TCC's fairness, though.

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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2010, 06:31:03 PM »
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"If you tremble indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"
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How many people is Che personally responsible for killing again?   Hell, but he was so inspiring.   Right up there with Mao.

You know what an injustice is?  working your ass off in school, and then your profession to obtain the life you want for yourself and your family only to have some lazy American (<---- the irony of the protections afforded this entitlement driven misfit by the Constitution they spit on is just too rich not to mention) stick his hand out to demand the rewards of your incredible efforts.

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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2010, 05:37:49 AM »
How many people is Che personally responsible for killing again?   Hell, but he was so inspiring.   Right up there with Mao.

You know what an injustice is?  working your ass off in school, and then your profession to obtain the life you want for yourself and your family only to have some lazy American (<---- the irony of the protections afforded this entitlement driven misfit by the Constitution they spit on is just too rich not to mention) stick his hand out to demand the rewards of your incredible efforts.

 :whatever:

   Diddums, sounds like someone had a difficult life.  If you truly believe what you just said, why support a system (capitalism) that encourages people to work less and exploit others to make their $$$?   Lawyers, stock manipulators, inheritors, monopolies?
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2010, 08:35:02 AM »
   Diddums, sounds like someone had a difficult life.  If you truly believe what you just said, why support a system (capitalism) that encourages people to work less and exploit others to make their $$$?   Lawyers, stock manipulators, inheritors, monopolies? Party bosses, factory managers, apparatchiks, commissars?
You murdered 100 million of your own citizens with bullets, labor camps and enforced starvation in less than 100 years and you have jack-shit to show for it. You shoot your way into a country and the shooting never stops.

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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2010, 08:57:17 AM »
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2010, 11:04:16 AM »
   Diddums, sounds like someone had a difficult life.  If you truly believe what you just said, why support a system (capitalism) that encourages people to work less and exploit others to make their $$$?   Lawyers, stock manipulators, inheritors, monopolies?

Nothing exploits people like state slavery of communism.

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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2010, 11:26:28 AM »
Says he from his comfortable home in London. :whatever:

You're welcome to emigrate to Cuba and North Korea.  I don't think anyone will stop you.

I will gladly pay him a one-way ticket to Cuba and North Korea.  :-)
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2010, 12:33:33 PM »
  Diddums, sounds like someone had a difficult life.  If you truly believe what you just said, why support a system (capitalism) that encourages people to work less and exploit others to make their $$$?   Lawyers, stock manipulators, inheritors, monopolies?

Exploitative? Your precious collectivism requires everyone to contribute under pain of being deliberately starved, worked to death or shot, all so it goes to the dictatorship of the proletariat who builds his or her fiefdom on the backs of these slaves.
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2010, 12:40:58 PM »
How many people is Che personally responsible for killing again?   Hell, but he was so inspiring.   Right up there with Mao.

You know what an injustice is?  working your ass off in school, and then your profession to obtain the life you want for yourself and your family only to have some lazy American (<---- the irony of the protections afforded this entitlement driven misfit by the Constitution they spit on is just too rich not to mention) stick his hand out to demand the rewards of your incredible efforts.

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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2010, 12:50:16 PM »
  Diddums, sounds like someone had a difficult life.  If you truly believe what you just said, why support a system (capitalism) that encourages people to work less and exploit others to make their $$$?   Lawyers, stock manipulators, inheritors, monopolies?

And in typical Liberal fashion...when the talking points run out...it turns to mockery.

How predictable.

Tell me...how much "collectivism" did those in power in Communist countries actully engage in themselves?

Mao? Lenin? Fidel? Hugo?

Their people lived in poverty in the collective utopia of Commnism while they live/lived like jet setting millionaires.

What were you saying about manipulating the system?
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The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2010, 12:57:41 PM »
He should check out the beginnings of the Massachusetts Bay Colony...another failed example of collectivism at work.
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2010, 12:58:20 PM »
   Diddums, sounds like someone had a difficult life.  If you truly believe what you just said, why support a system (capitalism) that encourages people to work less and exploit others to make their $$$?   Lawyers, stock manipulators, inheritors, monopolies?

Show me the well off and content population that communism ever delivered...you can`t because there never has been one.
You are either just a troll playing a game or a very simpleminded utopian thinker.

Tell us all what is going to be your contribution to the collective society you preach.
I mean exactly...what are you going to task at and provide for the overall good of society?

If you can`t or won`t answer that question and defend the value of your chosen contribution to the overall good (providing food,clothing,housing before entertainment and luxuries) then you really need to get a grasp on reality.

I am guessing you view it as a system that you can escape into a stoned out nirvana where your every need and wish is met by someone else.
See that is the thing with the left, "me" is only used in the consumption sense of things and seldom or never in the contribution part.
It is always someone else that needs to sacrifice.

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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2010, 01:13:12 PM »
Show me the well off and content population that communism ever delivered...you can`t because there never has been one.
You are either just a troll playing a game or a very simpleminded utopian thinker.

Tell us all what is going to be your contribution to the collective society you preach.
I mean exactly...what are you going to task at and provide for the overall good of society?

If you can`t or won`t answer that question and defend the value of your chosen contribution to the overall good (providing food,clothing,housing before entertainment and luxuries) then you really need to get a grasp on reality.

I am guessing you view it as a system that you can escape into a stoned out nirvana where your every need and wish is met by someone else.
See that is the thing with the left, "me" is only used in the consumption sense of things and seldom or never in the contribution part.
It is always someone else that needs to sacrifice.

You won't get an answer from the Useful Idiot. He has never delivered any real counterpoint to the facts any of us have posted, but just posts DU-style rants against Capitalism and the usual 'The USSR was not real communism' defense (I guess he has never read about Joseph Stalin's collectivization policy).
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2010, 01:43:37 PM »
You murdered 100 million of your own citizens with bullets, labor camps and enforced starvation in less than 100 years and you have jack-shit to show for it. You shoot your way into a country and the shooting never stops.

Go play back to playing with your Potemkin doll house.

We could use another Pinochet or Suharto. They dealt with commies with a heavy hand.  :evillaugh:
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2010, 03:37:32 PM »
You won't get an answer from the Useful Idiot. He has never delivered any real counterpoint to the facts any of us have posted, but just posts DU-style rants against Capitalism and the usual 'The USSR was not real communism' defense (I guess he has never read about Joseph Stalin's collectivization policy).

I know and why I suspect it is a troll rather then believer.

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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2010, 11:50:39 AM »
  Obviously its very convenient for your argument to label the USSR as communist. But Communism is collectivist, and there wasn't anything collectivist about the USSR.
 
   True, many "communist" "regimes" have come and gone while America stays. That is because capitalism is THE most effective method of oppression because it utilities not an army or a state mentality but rather uses the successful to keep in place the unsuccessful.
   there's nothing like giving one set of people the opportunity to deceive and exploit another to ensure a continuing cycle of greed.

Hmmm...guess you weren't in class the day they taught Soviet farming and economics.  Start with the Ukrainian "Holodomor" of the early 1930's under Stalin.
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« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2010, 06:35:06 PM »
 That is because capitalism is THE most effective method of oppression because it utilities not an army or a state mentality but rather uses the successful to keep in place the unsuccessful.

Yes, because we want the world to be run by ****ups, not successful people.  And if capitalism is so oppressive, why is it countries who have both a capitalist-based economy and a democratic representative system of government tend to be (hell, they ARE) the most successful nations with the highest standards of living, even among the so-called "poor"?
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2010, 06:41:10 PM »
And in typical Liberal fashion...when the talking points run out...it turns to mockery.

How predictable.

Tell me...how much "collectivism" did those in power in Communist countries actually engage in themselves?

Mao? Lenin? Fidel? Hugo?

Their people lived in poverty in the collective utopia of Communism while they live/lived like jet setting millionaires.

What were you saying about manipulating the system?

Sounds like a certain leader we're all too familiar with........
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2010, 06:43:03 PM »
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...capitalism is THE most effective method of oppression because it utilities not an army or a state mentality but rather uses the successful to keep in place the unsuccessful.

I thought communists were Darwinists by trade.
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Re: I'm the enemy here...
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2010, 07:36:26 PM »
Yes, Communism is superior....tell that to the starving North Koreans.

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« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2010, 08:36:20 PM »
I thought communists were Darwinists by trade.

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« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2010, 12:53:02 AM »
I thought communists were Darwinists by trade.

Who knows, they may have evolved from monkies. They certainly very good at slingin' shit.

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« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2010, 07:37:27 PM »
Found this on WikiAnswers:

Communism failed in Russia because communism and socialism are fatally flawed, both in theory and practice. Imagine the market as an infinite number of transactions. In socialism/communism, most of the transactions result from the forcible redistribution of wealth, from producer to consumer. In other words, the government takes some form of wealth from one party and gives it to another party. This has four very harmful effects on the transaction, and collectively, on the economy:

(1) only one party benefits, while the other party is harmed. There is a winner and a loser in every transaction;

(2) typically, the party that benefits simply consumes the benefit instead of turning it into production;

(3) the government must insert itself as a middleman in the transaction (the hammer that forces the redistribution), and this must also be financed, usually by taking their cut; and

(4) eventually, no one wants to be a producer, when producers are what the economy (and the society) needs the most.

In capitalism, transactions are mutually beneficial. If I value your loaf of bread more than I value the dollar in my pocket, and you value the dollar in my pocket more than you value your loaf of bread, then we trade. Both of us benefit! There is no "winner" or "loser" in the transaction. Further, I can add value by selling individual pieces of toast to other customers, for example, at 20 cents per piece, and turn that loaf into a $2.00 profit for me, while still getting to eat some of it. And, in a capitalist society, the government pretty much keeps its hands out of the deal (except for a relatively nominal sales tax). There is no need for the government to "force" the deal, because it is voluntary and it is good for the economy and society.

Now imagine the cumulative effect of this dynamic: if you have an economy that institutionalizes the plunder of the producers for the benefit of the consumers, then you compound all the inherent flaws infinitely, while you deny society the opportunity for the mutually beneficial interaction. On a personal level, this makes your neighbor your enemy instead of your potential partner, because there is only so much the government can plunder on your behalf.

This was the tragedy of the Soviet Union. It did not collapse because of U.S. intervention. That is an utter fallacy. It would have collapsed long ago had it NOT been for U.S. aid bailing it out of its self-created famines during the Stalin years.

China is in a different situation. Communism there did not fail spectacularly and dramatically like the Soviet Union, because it is gradually adapting capitalist policies and allowing greater freedoms. As one answer pointed out, approximately 1/3 of its economy is now private. This is a huge step forward for them, and has allowed millions to bring themselves up out of the poverty that years of communism had forced on them.