I'm the enemy here...

[World Communism]

   I'm the enemy here... but I give you guys credit for wanting to take an interest. I feel the same passion for the politics that I believe in.

[TheSarge]

   I'm the enemy here... but I give you guys credit for wanting to take an interest. I feel the same passion for the politics that I believe in.

But what confuses me is why you believe in a political philosophy that has proven time and time again to be a miserable faure?

[World Communism]

But what confuses me is why you believe in a political philosophy that has proven time and time again to be a miserable faure?

   I'd ask the same of you, and then say that very rarely has communism, real communism, been implemented in a country. The USSR was imperialist. China is capitalist.

[Attero Dominatus]

  I'd ask the same of you, and then say that very rarely has communism, real communism, been implemented in a country. The USSR was imperialist. China is capitalist.

Leninism was the basis of the Soviet Union's ideology. Joseph Stalin took it to a greater extreme but was as Marxist as Leninism was. The Chinese government today calls their system 'market socialism' which is a fancy way of saying they are, well, Leninist. Vladmir Lenin learned the hard way that communism runs out of other peoples money and was forced to finance it from outside investors, kind of like China today.

Here is your so-called 'pure communism' in action: http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/museum/cook.htm

[Chris]

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[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

  I'd ask the same of you, and then say that very rarely has communism, real communism, been implemented in a country. The USSR was imperialist. China is capitalist.

USSR
Romania
Cuba
Red Army Faction
The Shining Path
Tamil Tigers
North Korea
Vietnam
Venezuela
Khmer Rouge
Zimbabwe
Pre-War Iraq
&c &c &c

100 million broken eggs and not 1 goddam omelet.

It appears you espouse a philosophy that is incapable of expressing itself in any manner except corrupt, incompetent and blood thirsty.

Now run along, your masters need you to shoot common dissenters vicious capitalist reactionaries.

[DefiantSix]

+1 Bunny-man.

Where's that damn Hi-5 button when I need it.

[DumbAss Tanker]

...and then say that very rarely has communism, real communism, been implemented in a country. The USSR was imperialist. China is capitalist.

And yet you take no lesson from this key datum?

[Carl]

   I'd ask the same of you, and then say that very rarely has communism, real communism, been implemented in a country. The USSR was imperialist. China is capitalist.

Communism is socialist utopian dreamland implemented at the point of a sword because human nature will not cooperate with the fantasy.
It never ever will as Marxism needs perfect human goodness...that is to say a person is willing to pick up the trash for the benefit of all.

Show me where that has ever happened or where folks of your mindset are ever willing to be the lowest in society even though it is necessary.
You can`t and won`t but will prattle on about how vital a smoked up stoner reciting gibberish they call art is.

Guess what,Communism will make that go away (not a pleasant way either) long before it will elevate anyone to the nirvana you dream of.
Grow up and read some history and observe the reality of human nature...you can`t change it simply by denying it.

[The Village Idiot]

A real free market has also not been tried.

I'd try it first.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The USSR was imperialist. China is capitalist.

Weird, because commies pretty much sing in chorus that the US is imperialist. How come it survived past the USSR and is much more robust?

If he complains it is because of capitalism--the vice of China--then he admits capitalism is more viable than communism.

Of course, it is hard to complain about the USSR's imperialism since Marxist doctrine says communism will spread itself violently.

Such interesting corners they paint themselves into.

[The Village Idiot]

They have to invent their own reality.

[TheSarge]

  I'd ask the same of you, and then say that very rarely has communism, real communism, been implemented in a country. The USSR was imperialist. China is capitalist.

Show me where Capitalism and free market economies have failed.

How many Communist regimes have come and gone in the 234 years America has been a nation?

Why is it when a Communist country fails...they turn to our example instead of trying harder with Communism?  How many of the former Soviet client states are still believers in Communism.

Go ahead...now try to spin out of this by attempting to tell me none of them practiced "true Communism".

[ROCKURWORLD]

Show me where Capitalism and free market economies have failed.

How many Communist regimes have come and gone in the 234 years America has been a nation?

Why is it when a Communist country fails...they turn to our example instead of trying harder with Communism?  How many of the former Soviet client states are still believers in Communism.

Go ahead...now try to spin out of this by attempting to tell me none of them practiced "true Communism".

All true but we also were a fairly moral and righteous country...not perfect by any means but most people understood how bad man can be. We looked to God at one point and knew that the "rules" were there for our benefit.

[BadCat]

Oh boy, another "genuine" commie.

Wonder who he voted for?

[World Communism]

Show me where Capitalism and free market economies have failed.

How many Communist regimes have come and gone in the 234 years America has been a nation?

Why is it when a Communist country fails...they turn to our example instead of trying harder with Communism?  How many of the former Soviet client states are still believers in Communism.

Go ahead...now try to spin out of this by attempting to tell me none of them practiced "true Communism".

  Obviously its very convenient for your argument to label the USSR as communist. But Communism is collectivist, and there wasn't anything collectivist about the USSR.
 
   True, many "communist" "regimes" have come and gone while America stays. That is because capitalism is THE most effective method of oppression because it utilities not an army or a state mentality but rather uses the successful to keep in place the unsuccessful.
   there's nothing like giving one set of people the opportunity to deceive and exploit another to ensure a continuing cycle of greed.

[TheSarge]

  Obviously its very convenient for your argument to label the USSR as communist. But Communism is collectivist, and there wasn't anything collectivist about the USSR.

Well at least you're predictable. And the obvious flies right over your head as well. There never was norenwill there EVER be anything truly "collective" about communism. It was never intended to be that way. Not even Marx and Lenin intended it to be that way.

At least with Capitalism you are told from the outset that your potential to make something of yourself is only limited by your drive and desire. Anyone with the right attitude and work ethic can become successful under our style of government.
 
   

True, many "communist" "regimes" have come and gone while America stays. That is because capitalism is THE most effective method of oppression because it utilities not an army or a state mentality but rather uses the successful to keep in place the unsuccessful.
   there's nothing like giving one set of people the opportunity to deceive and exploit another to ensure a
continuing cycle of greed.

Typical of Communism...this one isn't able to think for itself...it can only repeat things...propaganda it's been spoonfed and told this is how you are to believe.

I've been hearing that same crap spewed from the USSR since inwas a kid in the 70's

Use your own brain kid...quit mouthing others words.

[Ptarmigan]

USSR
Romania
Cuba
Red Army Faction
The Shining Path
Tamil Tigers
North Korea
Vietnam
Venezuela
Khmer Rouge
Zimbabwe
Pre-War Iraq
&c &c &c

100 million broken eggs and not 1 goddam omelet.

It appears you espouse a philosophy that is incapable of expressing itself in any manner except corrupt, incompetent and blood thirsty.

Now run along, your masters need you to shoot common dissenters vicious capitalist reactionaries.

Let's not forget The Manson Family and People's Temple. I see Mr. Snuggle Bunny is very smart.

[Ptarmigan]

Show me where Capitalism and free market economies have failed.

How many Communist regimes have come and gone in the 234 years America has been a nation?

Why is it when a Communist country fails...they turn to our example instead of trying harder with Communism?  How many of the former Soviet client states are still believers in Communism.

Go ahead...now try to spin out of this by attempting to tell me none of them practiced "true Communism".

When Communist regimes fail, they end in bloodshed and violence.

[Chris_]

True, many "communist" "regimes" have come and gone while America stays. That is because capitalism is THE most effective method of oppression because it utilities not an army or a state mentality but rather uses the successful to keep in place the unsuccessful.
   there's nothing like giving one set of people the opportunity to deceive and exploit another to ensure a continuing cycle of greed.

Says he from his comfortable home in London.

You're welcome to emigrate to Cuba and North Korea.  I don't think anyone will stop you.

[Duke Nukum]

  Obviously its very convenient for your argument to label the USSR as communist. But Communism is collectivist, and there wasn't anything collectivist about the USSR.
 
   True, many "communist" "regimes" have come and gone while America stays. That is because capitalism is THE most effective method of oppression because it utilities not an army or a state mentality but rather uses the successful to keep in place the unsuccessful.
   there's nothing like giving one set of people the opportunity to deceive and exploit another to ensure a continuing cycle of greed.

If you want to be a communist, go and be a communist.  Find a like minded group of people and live together in a collective and leave the rest of us the hell alone.  Don't take anything from us to support your idiotic Utopia.  And quit killing people who aren't complete idiots like you are and don't want any part of  a murderous system. 

[Attero Dominatus]

 Obviously its very convenient for your argument to label the USSR as communist. But Communism is collectivist, and there wasn't anything collectivist about the USSR.
 
   True, many "communist" "regimes" have come and gone while America stays. That is because capitalism is THE most effective method of oppression because it utilities not an army or a state mentality but rather uses the successful to keep in place the unsuccessful.
   there's nothing like giving one set of people the opportunity to deceive and exploit another to ensure a continuing cycle of greed.

Collectivism is at the heart of why communism kills, for two reasons. The first is that communism is dependent on everyone contributing to the collective, and those who cannot or do not produce at least as much as they consume are killed for being a burden; this is even seen in democratic socialist countries where state-owned health systems allow the elderly to die because they are not 'cost-effective' to save and a burden on the state. The second reason is that collectivists have a herd mentality, and if one person is 'guilty' in the collectivist's eyes, then everyone like him is. Collectivism resulted in the Holocaust, the slaughter of the Kulacks, the deliberate starvation of 25 million Ukrainians, the Killing Fields of Cambodia and more.

[thundley4]

When Communist regimes fail, they end in bloodshed and violence.

That's also how they usually start.

[Boudicca]

Says he from his comfortable home in London.

You're welcome to emigrate to Cuba and North Korea.  I don't think anyone will stop you.

Is this guy like 12 or something?

[Revolution]

Who is this guy?

Anyway, I'm learning a lot just by digesting this thread. Still young, still lots to learn, but the further and further I see us going to marxism, the more I think decent Americans are going to push back. There are just too many of us. I don't know what going to happen in the near future, but is it out of hand to predict some kind of resistance? Some kind of overthrow or something of that magnitude?

I just have that feeling in the pit of my stomach, and it grows stronger by the week.