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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2010, 09:24:48 AM »
The 15 Billion bill that Harry swapped in place of the 80-something-Billion bill, which already had bipartisan support, on which he stabbed his own guys in the back?  That jobs bill?  It'd be nice to slap Harry around, but Snow and Collins aren't on board for that, so it wouldn't happen anyway.

Horrible as this may sound, 15 Billion is peanuts in the budget.  It will have no detectable impact on jobs.  Suppose you just gave away the money to 5 million unemployed people, with no transaction costs and everybody handling it doing their jobs for free; every one of them would receive $3000, which really isn't going to do shit.  On top of that, about half of it isn't even real money but BS one-shot tax credits.

Fighting over this bill on either side is just pure political posturing and an attempt on Harry's part to continue painting the GOP as the bad boys.  Probably worth it just to frustrate the little bastard's campaign plan. 
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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2010, 09:59:19 AM »
The 15 Billion bill that Harry swapped in place of the 80-something-Billion bill, which already had bipartisan support, on which he stabbed his own guys in the back?  That jobs bill?  It'd be nice to slap Harry around, but Snow and Collins aren't on board for that, so it wouldn't happen anyway.

Horrible as this may sound, 15 Billion is peanuts in the budget.  It will have no detectable impact on jobs.  Suppose you just gave away the money to 5 million unemployed people, with no transaction costs and everybody handling it doing their jobs for free; every one of them would receive $3000, which really isn't going to do shit.  On top of that, about half of it isn't even real money but BS one-shot tax credits.

Fighting over this bill on either side is just pure political posturing and an attempt on Harry's part to continue painting the GOP as the bad boys.  Probably worth it just to frustrate the little bastard's campaign plan. 


Interesting take.  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2010, 10:13:11 AM »

Interesting take.  Thanks for sharing.

Rather interesting as well that the vote for was 62 yet the only reporting I have seen is that it was Brown.
Seems the press has decided that is the story and everyone is following suit.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #53 on: February 23, 2010, 11:08:35 AM »
because the election of any (R) helps to move the Republicans into majority status in Congress

Frank, majority status doesn't come if we get a Jumpin Jim Jeffords again.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #54 on: February 23, 2010, 01:47:01 PM »
Uh, careful there, sir.

And you know I have nothing but the utmost respect for you.

However.

However.

However.

Party identification is very important because of the way our system is, and the system isn't going to change any time soon.....besides that it's a good system.

If one has conservative values, supporting a left-wing Republican over a right-wing Democrat (in the absence of a conservative Republican capable of winning the particular election) is important, because the election of any (R) helps to move the Republicans into majority status in Congress.....and as the majority of the Republican party tends to be conservative, such liberal Republicans help move us along.

Why would I support a liberal, regardless of the little letter after their name? The only value is to support the "R" agenda. The "R" agenda hasn't been conservative in 20 years... so no value in supporting that. Conservative first... Party second.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #55 on: February 23, 2010, 04:39:22 PM »
Brown is a sellout....


Carry on...


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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2010, 04:48:37 PM »
Brown is a sellout....


Carry on...


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Yeah... but he has the right letter behind his name, so it's all good.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2010, 05:14:41 PM »
Brown is a sellout....


Carry on...


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But... But... But... it was a referendum! And he's a Conservative!

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2010, 05:45:17 PM »
I don't know why everyone is getting their bowels in an uproar over one vote. Anyone that thinks Yankees politicans for the most part are conservatives needs their head examined. Brown and Romney are cut from the same cloth. They will vote for conservative issues most of the time. Surely not as much as I would like. What is the alternative though; you want a raving left wing liberal to hold the office instead. Hell, it pains me to say I voted for that sorry ass McCain but if it was repeat of 2008 in 2012, I would vote for his sorry ass again. The alternative is to allow a die in the wool socialist to turn this country into a European wet dream. For those that say, let it happen and then we can change it, that will not happen and shows stupidity to the highest heavens. Once programs like health care, cap and trade are passed, it will be next to impossible to repeal them. You can not win all the battles but winning the big ones is much more important. This job bill is not a big one.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2010, 06:25:28 PM »
They're in an uproar because Brown claimed he was a TEA partier in his campaign, which is an entirely different set of principles than what Scott Brown, the unreliable RINO cocksucker demonstrated.
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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2010, 06:51:08 PM »
I don't know why everyone is getting their bowels in an uproar over one vote. Anyone that thinks Yankees politicans for the most part are conservatives needs their head examined. Brown and Romney are cut from the same cloth. They will vote for conservative issues most of the time. Surely not as much as I would like. What is the alternative though; you want a raving left wing liberal to hold the office instead. Hell, it pains me to say I voted for that sorry ass McCain but if it was repeat of 2008 in 2012, I would vote for his sorry ass again. The alternative is to allow a die in the wool socialist to turn this country into a European wet dream. For those that say, let it happen and then we can change it, that will not happen and shows stupidity to the highest heavens. Once programs like health care, cap and trade are passed, it will be next to impossible to repeal them. You can not win all the battles but winning the big ones is much more important. This job bill is not a big one.

Spot on, sir.

I come from the state that has, ostensibly, the "most conservative" Democrat U.S. Senator, E. Benjamin Nelson; in fact, he's rated as more conservative than some Republicans.

Whoop-whoop-de-do.

Exactly how has a conservative (D) helped the conservative cause?

As we've all seen, a conservative (D), when the chips are down, goes with his own party-line, which is not conservative.

Just as a liberal (R) (Arlen Specter of yore), when the chips were down, went with his own party-line, which was not liberal.

I used to somewhat worry about (R)s in the Senate jumping ship, but no more--after the way the party-switching Specter was treated by the Democrats, I suspect liberal (R)s have suddenly seen the wisdom of sticking with their own.....which has the long-term effect of them moderating some of their own liberalities, at the same time helping the (R)s to slowly regain majority status, after which the conservative values and policies as advocated by the conservative (R)s go forward.

I have no problem with liberal (R)s; they're helping us, and the "price" of their support seems to be pretty minor, a few crumbs here and there.  We can afford to give away a few crumbs, so as to attain a Greater Objective.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2010, 06:51:49 PM »
Well,

What can we expect from a moderate from Mass??

Exactly. I found it hard to believe how many were supporting him for President after the win. It was ridiculous. My support of him to win Mass was solely based on the epic wailing and gnashing of teeth by the left that it would produce. Taking "Kennedy's" seat was the perfect poke in the eye. As for his politics, I figured he would be just another Mass Republican; somewhere to the left of most other GOPers.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2010, 06:59:58 PM »
Exactly. I found it hard to believe how many were supporting him for President after the win. It was ridiculous. My support of him to win Mass was solely based on the epic wailing and gnashing of teeth by the left that it would produce.

Taking "Kennedy's" seat was the perfect poke in the eye.  As for his politics, I figured he would be just another Mass Republican; somewhere to the left of most other GOPers.

That's why I never paid attention to any of this "Brown for President" stuff.

Well said, sir.
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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2010, 07:14:56 PM »
They're in an uproar because Brown claimed he was a TEA partier in his campaign, which is an entirely different set of principles than what Scott Brown, the unreliable RINO cocksucker demonstrated.

I could be wrong but I don't remember him claiming to be part of the tea party movement, he was endorsed by some groups, but not all. And I'm sure he reached out to them for donations - not the same as saying he was a part of the movement. As far as what his principles are:

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I'm going to be the only person down there who is going to be the independent voter and thinker... I've always been the underdog in one shape or form.

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I’m a Scott Brown Republican.

It seems to me he is standing by his principles, maybe not yours but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Go to the wiki link a few comments up stream and read about the guy.
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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2010, 07:42:26 PM »
BTW:

This is from the Howie Carr show, I listened to Howie for years he has a huge following in Mass...

 
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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2010, 07:54:21 PM »
But... But... But... it was a referendum! And he's a Conservative!

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It was.   How exactly is it not? 


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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2010, 07:58:53 PM »
It was.   How exactly is it not? 



I think it was a referendum for Massachusetts on health care reform.  He specifically campaigned on voting against it.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2010, 08:01:01 PM »
I don't know why everyone is getting their bowels in an uproar over one vote. Anyone that thinks Yankees politicans for the most part are conservatives needs their head examined. Brown and Romney are cut from the same cloth. They will vote for conservative issues most of the time. Surely not as much as I would like. What is the alternative though; you want a raving left wing liberal to hold the office instead. Hell, it pains me to say I voted for that sorry ass McCain but if it was repeat of 2008 in 2012, I would vote for his sorry ass again. The alternative is to allow a die in the wool socialist to turn this country into a European wet dream. For those that say, let it happen and then we can change it, that will not happen and shows stupidity to the highest heavens. Once programs like health care, cap and trade are passed, it will be next to impossible to repeal them. You can not win all the battles but winning the big ones is much more important. This job bill is not a big one.

Something else we agree on.  This is getting scary.   :uhsure:
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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2010, 08:21:32 PM »
Something else we agree on.  This is getting scary.   :uhsure:

I know. Saw on TV that Romney is backing McCain. They are like two peas in a pod. I don't see what Repubs see in Romney. He is a smooth talking, attractive candidate; that the same type of critter that occupies the WH now. Brown has got the same MO.; to think idiot conservatives touting he would make a good Prez is beyond me. He is a Rockefeller Republician/RINO who will vote with conservatives most of the time. Anyone that thinks that a true conservative could win that seat is dreaming also because it will never happen.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2010, 08:53:30 PM »
I know. Saw on TV that Romney is backing McCain. They are like two peas in a pod. I don't see what Repubs see in Romney. He is a smooth talking, attractive candidate; that the same type of critter that occupies the WH now. Brown has got the same MO.; to think idiot conservatives touting he would make a good Prez is beyond me. He is a Rockefeller Republician/RINO who will vote with conservatives most of the time. Anyone that thinks that a true conservative could win that seat is dreaming also because it will never happen.

Rush said Romney committed political suicide by endorsing mcLame. He's probably right, as usual.
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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2010, 09:28:14 PM »
He sure is better than Curling Iron Coakley

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2010, 11:12:01 PM »
It was.   How exactly is it not? 



Been covered plenty of times. You can't call it a referendum against a liberal policy by voting in another liberal.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2010, 11:44:55 PM »
Rush said Romney committed political suicide by endorsing mcLame. He's probably right, as usual.

I agree, and I don't particularly like him for a candidate....but the sucker keeps coming up on top in polls....

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2010, 11:48:27 PM »
Rush said Romney committed political suicide by endorsing mcLame. He's probably right, as usual.

I sure hope so. Having two RINO's running back to back as Presidential contenders (08-012) would almost ensure that the Tea Party would run their own candidate in 2016.

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Re: Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill
« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2010, 12:20:46 AM »
I sure hope so. Having two RINO's running back to back as Presidential contenders (08-012) would almost ensure that the Tea Party would run their own candidate in 2016.

It isn't like the Republicans haven't done it before.  Recently.  '92 and '96 come immediately to mind.
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