Scott Brown supporting Obama "jobs" bill

[Carl]

You are correct in that given the state of the 'desease' in Massachusetts, Brown was - hell, probably still is - the best we could possibly expect from that state.  

But in that case, I still contend that Coakley is almost the better option.  The Dim'Rats stymied themselves on ObamaCare.  They had 60 seats and they still couldn't close the deal; changing that seat red made little more that propaganda difference in that fight.  ObamaCare isn't the only approch the Communist Cocksuckers in the White House are using in their Cloward/Pivens strategy to wreak fundamental changes to the country by collapsing the system under it's own weight.  If we put "R"s in the seats, we need to know that they're going to be rock-ribbed against ALL of these; we cannot afford to be surprised to find out that they're "squishy" on one or two.  

One or two is all the Communist Cocksucker in Chief needs at this point.

I am going to disagree on that in that someone that will be with me 50% of the time is preferable to one that will be against me 100% of the time.
Hopefully as this big country goes there will be enough that agree with me 100% of the time in power where they can be to offset having to give up that bit.

My opinion.

[rich_t]

Thank you, kind sir.  

Now let the attacks begin... I could use the break from work.  

Hells bells.

I got called an asshole for having the audacity of not agreeing with the world view of another poster.

It is an interesting world we live in.

[DefiantSix]

I am going to disagree on that in that someone that will be with me 50% of the time is preferable to one that will be against me 100% of the time.
Hopefully as this big country goes there will be enough that agree with me 100% of the time in power where they can be to offset having to give up that bit.

My opinion.

The problem is that you never know which 50% of the time you can count on him.  Makes him 100% unreliable.

[bkg]

Like I said..welcome to real world dude..someday you may grasp it but if not oh well. 

It's going to be interesting to watch people like you make excuses for the next number of years.

Your real world is no different than the Lefts... not at all. You're headed in the same direction, just at a slower pace, yet you're proud of the accomplishment.

Feel free to attack me all you want. You think *I* don't live in the real world, yet *YOU* think things will change simply by electing Republicans. Same shit, different day, yet you hope and hope and hope. Take a step back and see the forest for the trees...

[rich_t]

Nice try to back track or rewrite but there was no sarcasm or satire.

We can go back and forth all night but seeing how it was you my friend that directly quoted and attacked an opinion of mine after posting several of yours suggesting I am the one that doesn`t like to be disagreed with sends that old irony meter into overdrive.
That your little buddy shows up moments later (anyone can do a post search of you two) makes it all the more laughable.

Whatever and is 11:30 my time..I need to go to bed rather then post on threads through the night when folks aren`t around but everyone is perfectly free to search out what all of us have written and make their own opinions.
I invite it in fact.

My post is still there for all to see as written. I rewrote nothing.

But it is what it is.

My posts and yours are there.

I never called you any names...  Like asshole.

But you sure did.

Go figure.

[bkg]

Hells bells.

I got called an asshole for having the audacity of not agreeing with the world view of another poster.

It is an interesting world we live in.

Interesting, isn't it? I mean, I'd call you an asshole just for fun... but not so much because you disagree.  

Fun to watch "conservatives" bash the libs and then turn around and bash anyone more conservative than they are. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry... so mostly I just laugh. I applaud anyone who can stand up and be a true conservative... especially amongst conservatives.

Funny how people say the GOP needs to clean house, but then they get hives when a true conservative walks into the room.  

[rich_t]

Interesting, isn't it? I mean, I'd call you an asshole just for fun... but not so much because you disagree.  

Fun to watch "conservatives" bash the libs and then turn around and bash anyone more conservative than they are. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry... so mostly I just laugh. I applaud anyone who can stand up and be a true conservative... especially amongst conservatives.

Funny how people say the GOP needs to clean house, but then they get hives when a true conservative walks into the room.  

Funny but not haha funny.  More in the realm of ironic funny.

But what the hell, according to some...  I'm a 100 percenter while they will gladly elect Vlad the Impaler if he has the "correct" letter behind his name on a ballot.

[rich_t]

The problem is that you never know which 50% of the time you can count on him.  Makes him 100% unreliable.

That concept simply evades some folks.

[bkg]

Funny but not haha funny.  More in the realm of ironic funny.

But what the hell, according to some...  I'm a 100 percenter while they will gladly elect Vlad the Impaler if he has the "correct" letter behind his name on a ballot.

I'm in good company, then. 

"R" is the way, the light, the future. Learn it, Love it, Live it. Doesn't matter if they're heading 50MPH into hell, at least it's not 55MPH, and that means it's GOOOOD for the country.

[rich_t]

I'm in good company, then. 

"R" is the way, the light, the future. Learn it, Love it, Live it. Doesn't matter if they're heading 50MPH into hell, at least it's not 55MPH, and that means it's GOOOOD for the country.

Exactly!

[RightCoast]

OK, so a Republican, RINO or otherwise, was elected into Dead Ted's seat. This is cause for celebration. Brown's mark is already made.  So he's talking about supporting the stupid jobs bill - so what? Is he supposed to just vote NO on everything and get nothing done? Could it be part of his plan, maybe he honestly thinks there's something in that bill with real merit? WTF people? A REBUBLICAN is the Junior Senator from Massa2shits - No body here ever said this guy was to the right of Rush, we wanted him to win because 1) it proves it can be done 2) it breaks an even 60 Dem majority 3) a political HACK went down in flames. Three damn good reasons to have supported the man if you ask me. Stupid little infighting about everything he votes on from here on out is pointless and takes away from the success of what can only be called a brilliant eleventh-hour campaign.

[rich_t]

OK, so a Republican, RINO or otherwise, was elected into Dead Ted's seat. This is cause for celebration. Brown's mark is already made.  So he's talking about supporting the stupid jobs bill - so what? Is he supposed to just vote NO on everything and get nothing done? Could it be part of his plan, maybe he honestly thinks there's something in that bill with real merit? WTF people? A REBUBLICAN is the Junior Senator from Massa2shits - No body here ever said this guy was to the right of Rush, we wanted him to win because 1) it proves it can be done 2) it breaks an even 60 Dem majority 3) a political HACK went down in flames. Three damn good reasons to have supported the man if you ask me. Stupid little infighting about everything he votes on from here on out is pointless and takes away from the success of what can only be called a brilliant eleventh-hour campaign.

Are you kidding?

A RINO by another name is a democrat.  It only differs by degree.

Forgive me if I can't celebrate another elected Dem-Lite.

[bkg]

OK, so a Republican, RINO or otherwise, was elected into Dead Ted's seat. This is cause for celebration. Brown's mark is already made.  So he's talking about supporting the stupid jobs bill - so what? Is he supposed to just vote NO on everything and get nothing done? Could it be part of his plan, maybe he honestly thinks there's something in that bill with real merit? WTF people? A REBUBLICAN is the Junior Senator from Massa2shits - No body here ever said this guy was to the right of Rush, we wanted him to win because 1) it proves it can be done 2) it breaks an even 60 Dem majority 3) a political HACK went down in flames. Three damn good reasons to have supported the man if you ask me. Stupid little infighting about everything he votes on from here on out is pointless and takes away from the success of what can only be called a brilliant eleventh-hour campaign.

Voting in a Republican is unusual for the state, yes. 1, 2 and 3 mean nothing if he doesn't vote as the conservative he campaigned as. NOTHING. Campaigning means nothing, voting means everything.

Or... we can NOT talk about the voting record, learn nothing from this and get more of the same.  

[RightCoast]

Voting in a Republican is unusual for the state, yes. 1, 2 and 3 mean nothing if he doesn't vote as the conservative he campaigned as. NOTHING. Campaigning means nothing, voting means everything.

Or... we can NOT talk about the voting record, learn nothing from this and get more of the same. 

Bullshit. What was the alternative? Coakley? Great go get her. Healthcrap would be signed right now if she won.

I didn't say don't talk about voting records, but what we don't need is a bunch of babies sitting around crying like they lost their uber-conservative pacifier. Brown had a record before he ran for the senate and that record was ambiguous at best. But again, what was the alternative. Cut your nose off if you want to, your face will still be there.

[The Village Idiot]

I knew he was a moderate from the get-go, but he was better than the daughter of Satan.

Still I could not imagine the excitement from conservatives online who acted as if he was the second coming of the Gipper. Conservative women were swooning and reposting his naked self everywhere. Why do you think I turned off seeing the avatars? I also defriended and hid people at Facebook for that.

He could very well end up voting for some kind of ObamaCare, he did help guide and pass RomneyCare after all.

I had no illusions of him being a conservative but those who did, kind of scare me.

[bkg]

Bullshit. What was the alternative? Coakley? Great go get her. Healthcrap would be signed right now if she won.

I didn't say don't talk about voting records, but what we don't need is a bunch of babies sitting around crying like they lost their uber-conservative pacifier. Brown had a record before he ran for the senate and that record was ambiguous at best. But again, what was the alternative. Cut your nose off if you want to, your face will still be there.

You cannot continue to vote against someone and expect anythign positive to come from it. Frankly, if he ends up voting not along conservative lines, then you end up with nothing better than "the alternative."

uber-conservative? What is that, exactly?

[RightCoast]

I knew he was a moderate from the get-go, but he was better than the daughter of Satan.

Still I could not imagine the excitement from conservatives online who acted as if he was the second coming of the Gipper. Conservative women were swooning and reposting his naked self everywhere. Why do you think I turned off seeing the avatars? I also defriended and hid people at Facebook for that.

He could very well end up voting for some kind of ObamaCare, he did help guide and pass RomneyCare after all.

I had no illusions of him being a conservative but those who did, kind of scare me.

Read some about the man, it'll take five minutes. He's a good guy that happened to grow up in a liberal cesspool. And in case I didn't mention it earlier I lived in Mass from 0-33 years old, so I know the cesspool well.

He was, and is, IMO worth supporting for the very fact he is not a democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Brown

[DefiantSix]

Read some about the man, it'll take five minutes. He's a good guy that happened to grow up in a liberal cesspool. And in case I didn't mention it earlier I lived in Mass from 0-33 years old, so I know the cesspool well.

He was, and is, IMO worth supporting for the very fact he is not a democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Brown

Except, he's just proven to anybody watching that he's unreliable as hell.  Apply the slightest pressure, and he folds like a busted kneecap.

[The Village Idiot]

Party ID is meaningless to me. Bloomberg put an R next to his name, he is still scum.

[RightCoast]

Except, he's just proven to anybody watching that he's unreliable as hell.  Apply the slightest pressure, and he folds like a busted kneecap.

Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas and chairman of the national Republican Senatorial Committee, said Brown did not upset the GOP leadership with his vote.

“This was a procedural vote. There was no sort of insistence by leadership that this was a place where we plant our flag or make our stand,’’ Cornyn said.

Maybe he wanted to be able to vote for a tax break, misplaced as it may be, I don't know and neither do you.

[DefiantSix]

The "republican leadership" has their own trustworthiness issues to mend with conservatives between now and November.  This kind of crap doesn't help them in that effort.

[The Village Idiot]

Maybe he wanted to be able to vote for a tax break, misplaced as it may be, I don't know and neither do you.

The GOP leadership... thats a great place to get affirmation. lol.

[RightCoast]

Party ID is meaningless to me. Bloomberg put an R next to his name, he is still scum.

Keep in touch, I'd love to hear your updates as the Conservative Party starts winning elections and takes over the whole gubberment. In the mean time I take any battle that can be won with an "R".

[formerlurker]

Gee,there is a shock you can`t stand having the reality of your fantasy world painted out clearly in front of you,color me surprised.

So then you would just as soon see a lib that will vote against everything you say you stand for 100% of the time then...nice to know and says all about you anyone needs to hear.
**** off to your little gripe world loser,you can`t ever do anything here but post snark anyways so there must be a forum somewhere to make you happy..Oh wait,your ilk doesn`t want to be happy it just wants to complain and never do anything.

What pisses me off is chest thumpers that claim themselves to be pure and true but would rather lose everything then gain anything.
*******.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.   Brown is a moderate Republican -- however Coakley is an outright socialist (oh and to speak of tota anti-rea-conservative, I guess they missed her recent comments that failure to recognize gay marriage on a federal level is unconstitutional).  To even suggest that a socialist in place of a moderate Republican is no different is ignorance on a large scale.

Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas and chairman of the national Republican Senatorial Committee, said Brown did not upset the GOP leadership with his vote.

“This was a procedural vote. There was no sort of insistence by leadership that this was a place where we plant our flag or make our stand,’’ Cornyn said

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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/02/23/brown_4_others_in_gop_break_ranks_to_advance_jobs_bill/


 

[franksolich]

Party ID is meaningless to me. Bloomberg put an R next to his name, he is still scum.

Uh, careful there, sir.

And you know I have nothing but the utmost respect for you.

However.

However.

However.

Party identification is very important because of the way our system is, and the system isn't going to change any time soon.....besides that it's a good system.

If one has conservative values, supporting a left-wing Republican over a right-wing Democrat (in the absence of a conservative Republican capable of winning the particular election) is important, because the election of any (R) helps to move the Republicans into majority status in Congress.....and as the majority of the Republican party tends to be conservative, such liberal Republicans help move us along.

I had to use the same argument (to no avail; they ended up not voting for any candidate in that race) with the hard-headed cousins in Pennsylvania in 2004, during the Republican senatorial contest between incumbent Arlen Specter and challenger Patrick Toomey. 

It's different this year, 2010 (my, how the world changes), where Toomey has a chance, a good chance, of winning, but that wasn't the case in 2004.  In 2004, if Toomey had been the (R) candidate, he would've lost to the (D), thus losing an important seat for Republicans.....and conservatives.

I insisted that despite their dislike of Specter, they should support him anyway, because it was important for Republicans to hold on to that seat.....and vital for conservatives, too.

Well, Specter won.  Despite his liberality, conservatives and the conservative cause profited greatly from his holding onto that seat--we're finally getting a Supreme Court more reflective of public sentiment (although temporarily stalled with il Duce Bo in the White House).  I'm not sure what Specter personally thinks of the ideology of Justices Alioto and Roberts, but he helped the conservative cause by getting those nominations through.

Something that wouldn't have been possible if the (R)s were in a minority, or if that senatorial seat had been taken by a (D) because of a then-weak (R) candidate.

And what was the "cost" of this to conservatives?--a few crumbs for Arlen.

We're not primitives here; we can "afford" to toss a few crumbs here-and-there in order to achieve a Greater Objective.  We can give a few trinkets away to Republicans such as Snowe and Collins (for examples), in exchange for their partisan support of conservative goals.

Ditto for the junior senator from Massachusetts.