Lindsey Graham calls out Glenn Beck

[rich_t]

My father is a retired electrical engineer who lived with his mom until he was 29
He inspected train and locomotive batteries for the New York Transit authority.

I wasn't asking about your dad.  I was asking about you.

Nice attempt to deflect.

[Mustang]

I wasn't asking about your dad.  I was asking about you.

Nice attempt to deflect.

Driving a forklift isn't exactly valuable experience for trying to get a white collar job, now is it?

[rich_t]

Well I pay for most of my things--credit card, gas, food, etc.
But it really isn't your business what or what I don't pay.

You say my work is bull sh*t, but people pay for their masters.

So, do I take 40k in loans for an MFA? or do I work as an intern for a couple months to get a starting salary of $2250 a month at a job I love doing?

We have drifted and that is partially my fault.  I was having fun and and went with the flow.

What has Glenn Beck been wrong about?

[rich_t]

Driving a forklift isn't exactly valuable experience for trying to get a white collar job, now is it?

Ain't got dick to do with the issue.  I've driven a forklift on more one job.  It takes skill.

[rich_t]

Mustang...

You keep dodging the question.


WHAT WAS BECK WRONG  ABOUT?


Until you respond to this question, I don't see taking you seriously on anything.

[Mustang]

Mustang...

You keep dodging the question.


WHAT WAS BECK WRONG  ABOUT?


Until you respond to this question, I don't see taking you seriously on anything.

When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.

[Lord Undies]

When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.

So Beck's Big Sin has nothing to do with his political facts - it's all about your opinion?     

[JohnnyReb]

 Lindsey Graham is my senator, I voted for the S.O.B. this time around just to keep an "R" in the seat. I'll vote for a southern conservative democrat next time if I have too.

 Lindsey Graham is a RINO.

....and I didn't read all 8 pages of this  Lindsey Graham crap.

[Mustang]

Lindsey Graham is my senator, I voted for the S.O.B. this time around just to keep an "R" in the seat. I'll vote for a southern conservative democrat next time if I have too.

 Lindsey Graham is a RINO.

....and I didn't read all 8 pages of this  Lindsey Graham crap.

Why does everyone call him a RINO? He opposes the stimulus+healthcare bill and wants troop increase in Afghanistan.
Other than that I don't know much about the guy, he seems like a nice person when he goes on Greta.
Please explain.

[Chris_]

Why does everyone call him a RINO? He opposes the stimulus+healthcare bill and wants troop increase in Afghanistan.
Other than that I don't know much about the guy, he seems like a nice person when he goes on Greta.
Please explain.

Well, we could start with his involvement with the "Gang of 14" back in '05-'06.

[debk]

When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.

Beck is correct when he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." .....ALL OF US - regardless of political affiliation are getting screwed by the politicians!!!

THAT'S HIS POINT!!

Beck has set out to make people think....to question....to want answers....TO SEEK THE TRUTH....of what is going on in Washington.

And he is accomplishing that....with Van Johnson, with ACORN....with everyone connected to Obama's "tree".

Instead of putting Beck down when you don't even watch his show, Mustang....perhaps you should watch it....and then question your candidate on the points that Beck is bringing out into the open.

See if you like the answers that Christie gives you. If you don't....then you might want to question whether or not your candidate is who you really think he is.

[Mustang]

Beck is correct when he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." .....ALL OF US - regardless of political affiliation are getting screwed by the politicians!!!

THAT'S HIS POINT!!

Beck has set out to make people think....to question....to want answers....TO SEEK THE TRUTH....of what is going on in Washington.

And he is accomplishing that....with Van Johnson, with ACORN....with everyone connected to Obama's "tree".

Instead of putting Beck down when you don't even watch his show, Mustang....perhaps you should watch it....and then question your candidate on the points that Beck is bringing out into the open.

See if you like the answers that Christie gives you. If you don't....then you might want to question whether or not your candidate is who you really think he is.

Oh I know Christie's positions, I don't need Beck to teach me how to judge my candidate, I know how to think critically.  
He is a real conservative on every issue. And he is running up against the most incompetent tax and spend liberal in the history of this state.

Like I said, Beck has done good work going after the Obama administration and the progressive movement. He just annoys me that he doesn't just focus on that.

It's really simple. I agree with Rush when he says that people who have an attitude that the Republican party is no different than the Democrats may use that as a wedge to support or form a third party, which only empowers the democrats. Rush says, what all of us conservatives should be doing is taking over the Republican party. I have noticed that it is starting to get trendy for conservatives to call themselves libertarian.
I think this trend has been started by people like Ron Paul and Glenn Beck.

To me liberaltarian means you are a conservative except on social issues (and maybe foreign policy if you are an isolationist libertarian).
I'm proud to say I am a Republican.

[NHSparky]

I see your point but is it worth 4 years of Obama? God help us if its 8 years. I don't think I can handle it.

You're too young to remember Reagan and you weren't even around when Carter was president.  Yeah, we're going that way, but mushy-middle RINO's like Pawlenty, Romney, McCain, and Graham are gonna lead us out of the wilderness?  Fat chance.  You want Collins and Snowe?  You can have them.  Me, I'll take Palin, Jindal, DeMint, and those conservatives.

BTW--I also worked for the local GOP for all candidates, not just McCain, but also Sununu, Bradley (against Che-Porter), and Kenney for Governor.  By FAR, the largest comment I heard from people was that they weren't Republicans anymore as much as they were CONSERVATIVE.  Why vote for the Republican when they're no different than the Democrats?

[NHSparky]

Driving a forklift isn't exactly valuable experience for trying to get a white collar job, now is it?

Something wrong with driving a forklift?  I'm a wire-biter by trade, and do pretty damn well at it.  Good money, too--if you don't mind being out in the weather a good chunk of the time, especially during the dead of winter. 

Get over yourself.  There's nothing wrong with making a living with your hands, which is something the country-club RINO's seem to have forgotten.  Which is also another reason why the GOP is representing PEOPLE less and less these days.

[NHSparky]

When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.

Uh, no, it doesn't.  Look up the term, "Reagan Democrats."

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

When he says "it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat." Every damn day on his show, like 3 times.
It's like I'm watching the show, and then he says that, and then I roll my eyes and go play command and conquer
on my computer. It does matter to me if your are a Republican or Democrat. It's my job.

I think Beck is nuttier than squirrel shit but he makes me laugh my ass off on those days I do listen to him.

I have always interpreted his statement that it doesn't matter if your dem or GOP to mean tha values matter more than party affiliation.

A big part of the problem with the GOPs slide is that they have abandoned conservatives to avoid criticism in the popular press. Yet, all we hear is that unless you back the party label you give the dems a win. Well, the ****ing liberals are winning regardless because we are told to shut up and get back into line with the very accomodationists who keep selling out conservatives but demand label unity. The only cure is a divorce.

Obama's virtue is that this divorce can be affected on his dime as the GOP has already suffered its biggest setback.

Had McCain won we'd be told to support our president even though he would be picking"centrist" judges, pushing more campaign finance reform, backing TARP, Son of TARP and Revenge of the TARP, Part XII, amnesty and probably healthcare reform just as devastating as the Baucus HCR plan.

Hell,Beck called McCain worse for that very reason 2 weeks after I did on this very forum. I caught a lot of heat in 2008 because once McCain won--with Huckabee's dirty dealing--I said I would sit out the election. It was only the entrance of the Alaskan MILF Coalition that got me out that 1st Tuesday in November.

[DixieBelle]

Mustang - I think you're too hung up on the labels "R", "D", and "I". You won't find a more patriotic, conservative bunch than here at CC. And yet, the majority of folks in this thread are telling you what's wrong with the political parties and you dismiss it as disloyalty.

I really admire your spunk and passion. I was the same way at your age (right around the time Rush was gaining prominence FTW). I too remember Carter (just barely) and really remember Reagan. I haven't given up on the the GOP but I certainly feel like it's given up on me sometimes.

[TheSarge]

I'll side with someone who still believes the Republican party is still alive, against someone who can't tell the difference between the two parties.

I guess Rush and Levin are wrong too? Or is Glenn Beck greater than Rush and Levin?
At this point, I take Glenn Beck as seriously as I do with Ron Paul.

If you honestly believe that Goober Graham represents what is best in the Republican then you must think McCain was a true conservative as well.

 

Neither one represent what 99% of Republicans/Conservatives stand for.

Exhibit A - Illegal immigration

[bkg]

Blind allegience to a party is what is wrong... Not Beck's position that it doesn't matter the party, it matters the character.

You said Beck is wrong because "It's my job." That gives me the impression that you don't like being under the microscope of a conservative. Whether you like it or not, I don't (I'm guessing most don't) care what your job is. I care what your character is. And you're position of "don't question the Republicans" is nearly in complete alignment with Pelosi, Reed and the Annointed one: Don't question the Democrat Party.

That's not only a very dangerous and myopic position to take, it will keep you aligned to a party, regardless of what they have done to shred the COTUS. And yes, Republicans have wiped their collected tushes with COTUS as much as Democrats, just not a visibly or overtly.

So I ask you one more time - what is Beck wrong about? If all you have is his position that the party allegience doesn't matter, you're building on a house of cards that won't stand.

[TheSarge]

Why does everyone call him a RINO? He opposes the stimulus+healthcare bill and wants troop increase in Afghanistan.
Other than that I don't know much about the guy, he seems like a nice person when he goes on Greta.
Please explain.

He's backed President Bush's immigration "reform"...he was all for Porkulus $$$ for S.C. he fawned all over Sonia Sotomayor...backed closing Camp X-Ray...giving rights that you and I enjoy to the terrorist scum and in some cases repartiating them back to the place they were captured.

He's part of the Gang of 12 and thinks John McCain can do no wrong.

[bkg]

He's backed President Bush's immigration "reform"...he was all for Porkulus $$$ for S.C. he fawned all over Sonia Sotomayor...backed closing Camp X-Ray...giving rights that you and I enjoy to the terrorist scum and in some cases repartiating them back to the place they were captured.

He's part of the Gang of 12 and thinks John McCain can do no wrong.

I would tend to agree with this. Graham has long been held up as a model Republican. But he's definitely not a conservative when it counts.

[Splashdown]

What's Beck running for again? Maybe the politicians need to get back to listening to their conservative voters.

[formerlurker]

I think Beck is nuttier than squirrel shit but he makes me laugh my ass off on those days I do listen to him.

He has been must see tv the past month or so -- great research every day.   I don't care for his tendency for isolationism, but he is doing a decent job as of late. 

[5412]

Hi again folks,

Well I am old enough to have voted for John Kennedy.  To me the whole idea of party loyalts is bogus.  John Kennedy, today would be more conservative than McCain.  Sam Nunn appointed my son to the Naval Academy, and he was a democrat, but in today's way of thinking Sam and Zell Miller, both Georgia Democrats would be republicans.  The entire south used to be staunch democrats......now it has reversed itself.  The people of the south have not changed, their political leaders have.  Most of America still has good, conservative values, but those that represent them seem to be few and far between.

I got really angry last week as our Governor, Charlie Crist, is running for senator in 2010.  There was an article in the paper that said he has changed his position on some issues to "appear to be more conservative".  What a crock!  Either you are or you are not......and if you change your position just to get elected it raises two questions in my mind.  First is do you have any sense of values at all?  Second, once you get elected, how are you going to govern?  (See Clinton, Bill, Obama, Barack as two examples)

What has happened since the late 1960's is a whole shakeup.  After WWII there was a good deal of patriotism and it seemed that politicians did what was good for the country.  In 1960 Mayor Dailey in Chicago fradulently stole the election for John Kennedy, flat out and blatent.  I lived in Cook County, IL at the time and had friends who were poll watchers in the city.  What a joke that was.  The Republicans urged Nixon to contest it and he said no, it would not be good for the country.......as Al Gore should have done but boy times have changed. 

One of the major evolutions has been the power of those who are the leaders of the parties.  I suspect it has to do with the PAC money because if you are a democrat today, and have to ask Pelosi's permission to vote against the party line then something is dreadfully wrong.  Members of congress no longer represent those that hire them; but rather the most radical of the party leaders.....or their money gets cut off and they won't get re-elected.  If anything I think that is what Beck is objecting to and who can blame him....

regards,
5412

[bkg]

I'm new here, but I'm stubborn...

And confused why Mustang hasn't identified anything about Beck's positions as being wrong - other than not having allegience to a party?