Rant.

[Lanie]

So let me get this straight.

Obama is going to stand by and watch this one sided slaughter from Iran in the name of our rep, BUT he's condemning the coup in Honduras and assisting their President? The man wanted to add an unconstitutional amendment to the Hondurian constitution. It was possibly a step in the direction of being the President indefinately. Oh, and I don't see it as a coinsidence that Chavez was on his side.

Meanwhile, the a-hole "President" of Iran is once again trying to intimidate us because Obama dared to actually say that murdering protesters was wrong.

What the hell? This man does not have his priorities straight at all. It makes me mad.

Okay, rant off.

[MrsSmith]

But hey, you know, he's great at getting tax cheats into new jobs, and promoting racist judges.  You've got to give him some, um, "credit."   

[TheSarge]

[dutch508]

So let me get this straight.

Obama is going to stand by and watch this one sided slaughter from Iran in the name of our rep, BUT he's condemning the coup in Honduras and assisting their President? The man wanted to add an unconstitutional amendment to the Hondurian constitution. It was possibly a step in the direction of being the President indefinately. Oh, and I don't see it as a coinsidence that Chavez was on his side.

Meanwhile, the a-hole "President" of Iran is once again trying to intimidate us because Obama dared to actually say that murdering protesters was wrong.

What the hell? This man does not have his priorities straight at all. It makes me mad.

Okay, rant off.

You have to look at it from barry's point of view. In Iran, the people are protesting against a totalitarian government, and so barry is siding with that government over it's people. However, in Honduras, barry is siding with the wanna-be totalitarian dictator against the will of it's people.

barry's priorities are right where they always were. Better get used to wearing a headscarf and shouting sieg heil.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

And the truth shall set you free.



Rev Wright's brand of "liberation theology" has Marxist roots

William Ayers is a Marxist trerrorist

Saul Alinsky was a Marxist agitator

In Cairo the president apologized for Operation: Ajax where the US aided the overthrow of a Soviet puppet state in Iran

In pre-school they teach kids about these things...they're called: PATTERNS

I can't quite say I believe Obama is some sort of Manchurian candidate--BUT--I will say he has built his entire political prespective on the notion America is funadmentally unfair, unjust, imperialistic, racist, scxist etc etc etc and as such he will lunge at opportunities to support so-called "leftist revolutionaries" while remaining mum about real democracies struggling to be free in the name of: not-being-like-those-white-guys-that-came-before.

So how you feeling about your vote these days?

[Lanie]

And the truth shall set you free.



Rev Wright's brand of "liberation theology" has Marxist roots

William Ayers is a Marxist trerrorist

Saul Alinsky was a Marxist agitator

In Cairo the president apologized for Operation: Ajax where the US aided the overthrow of a Soviet puppet state in Iran

In pre-school they teach kids about these things...they're called: PATTERNS

I can't quite say I believe Obama is some sort of Manchurian candidate--BUT--I will say he has built his entire political prespective on the notion America is funadmentally unfair, unjust, imperialistic, racist, scxist etc etc etc and as such he will lunge at opportunities to support so-called "leftist revolutionaries" while remaining mum about real democracies struggling to be free in the name of: not-being-like-those-white-guys-that-came-before.

So how you feeling about your vote these days?

No matter which way I go, I'm never happy with my vote.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

No matter which way I go, I'm never happy with my vote.

Trust me I haven't been totally happy since I could vote.

Still, your points are dead-on.

We may yet bring you over to The Dark Side, LLC. You get a daily stipend plus all the kittens you can eat.

[Eupher]

Trust me I haven't been totally happy since I could vote.

Still, your points are dead-on.

We may yet bring you over to The Dark Side, LLC. You get a daily stipend plus all the kittens you can eat.

Where have you heard that before, Lanie? (Except the kitten-eating thing, of course.) 

[Doc]

So let me get this straight.

Obama is going to stand by and watch this one sided slaughter from Iran in the name of our rep, BUT he's condemning the coup in Honduras and assisting their President? The man wanted to add an unconstitutional amendment to the Hondurian constitution. It was possibly a step in the direction of being the President indefinately. Oh, and I don't see it as a coinsidence that Chavez was on his side.

Meanwhile, the a-hole "President" of Iran is once again trying to intimidate us because Obama dared to actually say that murdering protesters was wrong.

What the hell? This man does not have his priorities straight at all. It makes me mad.

Okay, rant off.

Lemme see........you voted for him right??

I suppose that this is just another instance where you didn't do your homework.............

Everyone else on this board pretty much had him pegged as a lightweight socialist wannabe, with no experience, and an overabundance of ego......who would be an unmitigated disaster as president......except you, so rant or not you own him now.

I remember endless discussions on CC during the campaign highlighting all of his obvious deficiencies as a potential POTUS, but I guess you dismissed them out of hand because he had a (D) after his name, right??

You got what you wanted........perhaps you will remember this during the next election cycle (however much I doubt it).

doc

[Lanie]

Lemme see........you voted for him right??

I suppose that this is just another instance where you didn't do your homework.............

Everyone else on this board pretty much had him pegged as a lightweight socialist wannabe, with no experience, and an overabundance of ego......who would be an unmitigated disaster as president......except you, so rant or not you own him now.

I remember endless discussions on CC during the campaign highlighting all of his obvious deficiencies as a potential POTUS, but I guess you dismissed them out of hand because he had a (D) after his name, right??

You got what you wanted........perhaps you will remember this during the next election cycle (however much I doubt it).

doc

I was going to vote for McCain because I really liked Palin. I liked her because she was a woman in power with a lot of enthusiasm. I was also hoping that she would do something to help kids with disabilities (particularly in education). But as time went on, I was becoming more and more convinced that she didn't know enough. Meanwhile, it was looking like McCain wanted to follow Bush's hands off policy. I was scared of having yet another four years of hands off economics. I felt the government had to do something. So yes, I did vote for Obama. I still like Palin. Heck, I joined her fanclub on facebook. lol.

As for why I didn't listen to the Republicans on this subject, it's simple. It's because many Republicans are always screaming "Socialism" and "Communism." After a while, I viewed it as the boy crying wolf. I'm sorry to be offensive, but there's the answer to the question.

I still believe in a middle ground. I don't understand why we can't have something between a hands off economy and a Socialist/totally big brother one.

I also went batshit crazy over some of the stuff Bush said and did. I told myself I wouldn't act this way again. So I'm actually going to have to see more proof before I condemn Obama as a totally bad President. I'm not happy with him now. That doesn't mean I won't be later. Heck, one could ask why Bush and others were so concerned about Israel, but not Sudan. Why are we worried about North Korea, but not China? Why am I a certain way? The media. The media is feeding my emotions and I'm dumb enough to go for it.

I still think we need to be helping Iran, but I don't want to do what I did last time.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I was going to vote for McCain because I really liked Palin. I liked her because she was a woman in power with a lot of enthusiasm. I was also hoping that she would do something to help kids with disabilities (particularly in education). But as time went on, I was becoming more and more convinced that she didn't know enough. Meanwhile, it was looking like McCain wanted to follow Bush's hands off policy. I was scared of having yet another four years of hands off economics. I felt the government had to do something.

You forgot about $700 billion in TARP funds? Now we're starting to learn that Bush's TreasSec used the money to strongarm banks into buying financial houses they had no interest in owning...and Obama is no better, i.e. GM.

Nothing would have been the best result because when pols run the economy they do nothing more than feather their own nests. Why bother turning a profit when you can simply use other people's money to buy votes from constituents?

Bush was an idiot because he was trying to give McCain a cushion rather than looking unengaged especially since McCain was claiming to stay campaigning while Obama made hay of going to Washington vote present because he was full of Hopenchange.

So yes, I did vote for Obama. I still like Palin. Heck, I joined her fanclub on facebook. lol.

I am fond of saying: Joe Biden once--once--sponsored a bill to toughen domestic violence laws...Sarah Palin inspired women to learn how to shoot.

As for why I didn't listen to the Republicans on this subject, it's simple. It's because many Republicans are always screaming "Socialism" and "Communism." After a while, I viewed it as the boy crying wolf. I'm sorry to be offensive, but there's the answer to the question.

I'll call that fair but I'll also point out:

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

I still believe in a middle ground. I don't understand why we can't have something between a hands off economy and a Socialist/totally big brother one.

I also went batshit crazy over some of the stuff Bush said and did. I told myself I wouldn't act this way again. So I'm actually going to have to see more proof before I condemn Obama as a totally bad President. I'm not happy with him now. That doesn't mean I won't be later. Heck, one could ask why Bush and others were so concerned about Israel, but not Sudan. Why are we worried about North Korea, but not China? Why am I a certain way? The media. The media is feeding my emotions and I'm dumb enough to go for it.

Because the people fixated on eradicating Israel are also aiming for us. We do give help to other places but generally our SpecOps etc can only go where they are invited. Still, we fry the bad guys when we can but those with international reach take priority.

We focus on the NorKs because they actively threaten us and are within cannon shot of 28,000 US troops while the PRC holds trillions of dollars of bonds we could renege on in a heartbeat if they @#$% with us or our friends.

You're asking fair questions but you're (inadvertently?) using the Perfect to argue against the Good.

[Rebel]

But as time went on, I was becoming more and more convinced that she didn't know enough.

Bullshit. You heard shit on TV like "I can see Russia from my house", which she NEVER said, and believed it. That woman was hands down more qualified to be the POTUS than the current idiot in office who had NO executive experience whatsoever. As for hand's off economic policies, Obama's grubby hands are ALL OVER the economy right now. How's that shit workin' for ya?

"If we don't act:"

"GM and Chrysler will go bankrupt"

We did, and they did.

"Unemployment will reach 9.5%"

We did, it did.

"Health insurance will become unaffordable"

....I'm starting to see a pattern here.

The Kenyan doesn't know his ass from a ****in' hole in the ground. He's either intentionally destroying this nation as our ancestors knew it, or he's too ignorant to do the job. Either way, I could make a case for impeachment to save the nation.

[MrsSmith]

I was going to vote for McCain because I really liked Palin. I liked her because she was a woman in power with a lot of enthusiasm. I was also hoping that she would do something to help kids with disabilities (particularly in education). But as time went on, I was becoming more and more convinced that she didn't know enough. Meanwhile, it was looking like McCain wanted to follow Bush's hands off policy. I was scared of having yet another four years of hands off economics. I felt the government had to do something. So yes, I did vote for Obama. I still like Palin. Heck, I joined her fanclub on facebook. lol.

As for why I didn't listen to the Republicans on this subject, it's simple. It's because many Republicans are always screaming "Socialism" and "Communism." After a while, I viewed it as the boy crying wolf. I'm sorry to be offensive, but there's the answer to the question.

I still believe in a middle ground. I don't understand why we can't have something between a hands off economy and a Socialist/totally big brother one.

I also went batshit crazy over some of the stuff Bush said and did. I told myself I wouldn't act this way again. So I'm actually going to have to see more proof before I condemn Obama as a totally bad President. I'm not happy with him now. That doesn't mean I won't be later. Heck, one could ask why Bush and others were so concerned about Israel, but not Sudan. Why are we worried about North Korea, but not China? Why am I a certain way? The media. The media is feeding my emotions and I'm dumb enough to go for it.

I still think we need to be helping Iran, but I don't want to do what I did last time.

Palin had more experience - as VP - than Obama...and McCain was one of the few that attemped to fix Fannie and Freddie before the collapse.  There was literally no comparison...which makes Obama's win even more obviously a vote for his race instead of for a real president.

[TheSarge]

Lanie/Bridget - Bullsh*tting her way through Conservative websites since 2004.


:rolleyes:


She can't stand DU but defended them and justified them left and right at TOS.


Claims to be a Christian at TOS and CC but bashes religion every chance she gets.


Tells us she like McCain and Palin then proceeds to justify why she voted her Liberal conscience and pulled the lever for Obama.


And on...and on...and on

[Lanie]

Lanie/Bridget - Bullsh*tting her way through Conservative websites since 2004.


:rolleyes:


She can't stand DU but defended them and justified them left and right at TOS.


Claims to be a Christian at TOS and CC but bashes religion every chance she gets.


Tells us she like McCain and Palin then proceeds to justify why she voted her Liberal conscience and pulled the lever for Obama.


And on...and on...and on

Tx, it's obvious that after something that happened a year ago (in which we got along more than fine beforehand), you won't forgive me. You hate my guts. You're never going to give me another chance again. Okay, I get it. Why are you trying to ensure that nobody else gives me one either? Why are you doing everything in your power?

If I am the horrible, evil, rotten, disgusting person you've been portraying me as, then these people don't need your help to see it. Ignore me like you say you're going to. Give me a chance to either sink or swim. Stop trying to push my head under water out of some long term hatred that you have for me. Please. I'll take you off of ignore for this thread.

Next, I'm very much a Christian. I'm a Christian because I accepted Jesus into my heart and I have a relationship with God. I'm not a Christian because some Republicans approve of me. There's only one whose approval I need, and that's God. I don't need yours. I don't bash religion. If you gave me a chance instead of bashing me all the time, I'd be willing to speak about God, scripture, etc. I might even ask you what you think about a subject. You don't give me that chance though, and that's why I only argue.

Next, on politics, that's just how confused I am. I think it's okay to rethink your ideas. I also think it's okay to not be happy with your leaders no matter which side you're on. It's politics for goodness sakes. There really aren't a lot of good politicians IMO.

And even if I am nothing but a liberal, so what? What's wrong with wanting to speak to the other side about subjects? This country has been divided my entire life. Deep divisions that rip people apart. I've never known this country to be any different. Every four years, all hell breaks loose. It's ridiculous. Tell me what's wrong with wanting to find common ground with some on the other side. And next, some people here have suggested I speak more about stuff I agree about anyway. You bash me when I argue with people here. You bash me when I try to show common ground. You bash me for the sole purpose of bashing me. Give it a rest. At this point, I'm convinced that you're holding a grudge and you flat out hate me. I'm not saying you should never challenge me, but it's becoming clear that you're looking for any excuse to bash me and try to push me out of here. You hate me the way you hated certain other people a few years ago. It's just an insane derangement syndrome with you.

I think the problem is that you believe that if you're not involved, I'll be able to swim. Give these people the credit they deserve, and let them judge me for themselves.

Give it a rest before I start singing "Give Peace a Chance." You don't want to hear me sing. I'll do it.

[dutch508]

Don't make me remove the .357 from the holster.

[Lanie]

Don't make me remove the .357 from the holster.

lol.

[Rebel]

Don't make me remove the .357 from the holster.

Ahh, the ladies favorite. Question is, what's a dude doing with one? 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Ahh, the ladies favorite. Question is, what's a dude doing with one? 

You can use it to bash kittens...and ptarmigans.

[dutch508]

Ahh, the ladies favorite. Question is, what's a dude doing with one? 

Yours does seem to enjoy it.

 

[Chris_]

As for why I didn't listen to the Republicans on this subject, it's simple. It's because many Republicans are always screaming "Socialism" and "Communism." After a while, I viewed it as the boy crying wolf. I'm sorry to be offensive, but there's the answer to the question.

I still believe in a middle ground. I don't understand why we can't have something between a hands off economy and a Socialist/totally big brother one.

And based on FACTS and ACTIONS that we are seeing from the lightweight in the WH........those "many Republicans" were correct about his socialist leanings.........were they not?  So far he is attempting to at least partially nationalize the banking, insurance, auto, and health industries.........he IS a socialist by any reasonable definition.

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND........either a country's economy and government is based on capitalist principles with individual rights and freedoms, or it is based on a socialist concepts which EVERY TIME results in economic decline/stagnation, loss of personal freedom, and eventually despotism.........it has happened every time it has been attempted, and the result is always the same.......The two governing concepts are diametrically opposed, and will never successfully be mixed.

This is the reason many of us on this board have no use for liberals........of any stripe........their ideas are impractical, silly, Utopian, and never work in actual practice........but they keep dragging them out again and again hoping for a different result........which places liberalism in the category of a mental disorder rather than an ideology........we grow weary of it, and this divide will never be spanned........and I for one, have no patience for anyone that voted for him........you got what you asked for.........and the results may end up being hazardous to your health........

For a person who professes to want to teach you are certainly ignorant of history..........

doc

[Thor]

Lanie, what the hell do you think is happening to America since 0bama took the helm?? He is doing NOTHING BUT progressing his socialist agenda. Redistribution of wealth, government run health care, gun control initiatives, higher taxes, controlling the populous of this country through the cap & trade tax, etc are ALL prime examples of a socialist society. We ARE being forced to become socialists. This is dividing the country and will ultimately result in another Revolution. Democrats are no longer liberals, they are "progressives". Look up the term "progressive" in the political sense. Perhaps that will enlighten you.

[Lanie]

And based on FACTS and ACTIONS that we are seeing from the lightweight in the WH........those "many Republicans" were correct about his socialist leanings.........were they not?  So far he is attempting to at least partially nationalize the banking, insurance, auto, and health industries.........he IS a socialist by any reasonable definition.

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND........either a country's economy and government is based on capitalist principles with individual rights and freedoms, or it is based on a socialist concepts which EVERY TIME results in economic decline/stagnation, loss of personal freedom, and eventually despotism.........it has happened every time it has been attempted, and the result is always the same.......The two governing concepts are diametrically opposed, and will never successfully be mixed.

This is the reason many of us on this board have no use for liberals........of any stripe........their ideas are impractical, silly, Utopian, and never work in actual practice........but they keep dragging them out again and again hoping for a different result........which places liberalism in the category of a mental disorder rather than an ideology........we grow weary of it, and this divide will never be spanned........and I for one, have no patience for anyone that voted for him........you got what you asked for.........and the results may end up being hazardous to your health........

For a person who professes to want to teach you are certainly ignorant of history..........

doc

I agree with the concept that I made my bed, and now I can lie in it. I've often said that about voters no matter which way they voted. I'm still hoping it's not as bad as some conservatives thought.

I do notice the history of places like the USSR and so forth. I've also noticed the countries in the present that have been a Social Democracy. For the most part, they're working out (although Britain needs serious healthcare reform).

[Thor]

I agree with the concept that I made my bed, and now I can lie in it. I've often said that about voters no matter which way they voted. I'm still hoping it's not as bad as some conservatives thought.

I do notice the history of places like the USSR and so forth. I've also noticed the countries in the present that have been a Social Democracy. For the most part, they're working out (although Britain needs serious healthcare reform).

Yeah, that's working out for them well, isn't it?? Taxes for them are through the roof. Homes are hyper-inflated. Health care is poor, at best. Crime is at all time highs, even though they have a gun ban over there. Fuel is over $7/ gallon.  Need I go on??

[Lanie]

Lanie, what the hell do you think is happening to America since 0bama took the helm?? He is doing NOTHING BUT progressing his socialist agenda. Redistribution of wealth, government run health care, gun control initiatives, higher taxes, controlling the populous of this country through the cap & trade tax, etc are ALL prime examples of a socialist society. We ARE being forced to become socialists. This is dividing the country and will ultimately result in another Revolution. Democrats are no longer liberals, they are "progressives". Look up the term "progressive" in the political sense. Perhaps that will enlighten you.

With all due respect, I heard similar stuff when Bush was in office. I heard similar stuff when Clinton was in office. They probably said this stuff when Reagan was in office. It's the same old song and dance. This country has been divided up for as long as I've been alive. The idea that one man caused it is ridiculous.

People voted for Obama and Clinton because they really don't want this hands off, companies can do what they want to, crappy healthcare system. Instead of labeling them all as Socialists, why not try to address the problems? Healthcare is a joke in this country. You have to pay money to get a donor's list. Did you know that? That's Capitalism at it's most disgusting part. For those of us who do have private insurance, all of us don't have insurance that will cover pre-conditions. If you're mostly going to the doctor for pre-conditions, then what the hell good is health insurance? Plus, if one comes down with Cancer or another fatal disase, a lot of insurance companies try not to cover it. This all might be fine if going to the doctor wasn't over a hundred dollars and prescription medications were not out the roof. I don't mean to sound harsh, but this is one shitty, ****ed up system you're supporting.

What's worse is that if an idea goes against one side, they're automatically against it. For example, some have spoken up against Wal-Mart's system of selling generic prescriptions for really cheap. They argue it came from countries that might not be FDA regulated. I've been arguing that it's probably not just Wal-Mart since other stores are offering cheap prescriptions and stop trying to get in the way of the poor getting medicine. And the same goes for Canada. Bush acted like he wanted to stop it with the excuse that it might be dangerous. Oh my gosh, has it killed the Canadians yet? Stop trying to get in the way of the poor here. Conservatives supported Bush on this even though they *claim* to want less government regulation.

I can understand not wanting Universal Healthcare because of waiting lists, but do you really want to keep the same piece of crap of a system that we have now? It's garbage. Something needs to be done.

I don't agree with regulating companies to the extend that Obama is wanting. The dork is wanting cigarette companies to get rid of lights and Ultra lights labels for crying outloud. He's turning out to be a total idiot in some areas. What gets me is that he smokes. I sometimes wonder if he isn't just having a big nicotene fit, and is taking it out on the rest of the country. But if a lot of conservatives had their way, there would be no regulations at all. That's also dangerous. Why should we be forced between not affording healthcare because visits and medicine costs too much and investing our money into often USELESS health insurance? Why should we have to choose between this shitty system and a system that puts people on long waiting lists?

Why did I as a voter have to choose between the Republicans (who make it clear that the economy should be allowed to crash and burn for its own good at times) and Obama (who wants to be everybody's big ass brother)? What the hell type of choice is that?

Maybe you all don't think there's a middle ground, but I say there is one.