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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: txradioguy on February 03, 2013, 04:51:18 AM
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NY TIMES – The biggest donors in the Republican Party are financing a new group to recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party’s efforts to win control of the Senate.
The group, the Conservative Victory Project, is intended to counter other organizations that have helped defeat establishment Republican candidates over the last two election cycles. It is the most robust attempt yet by Republicans to impose a new sense of discipline on the party, particularly in primary races.
“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,†said Steven J. Law, the president of American Crossroads, the “super PAC†creating the new project. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.â€
The effort would put a new twist on the Republican-vs.-Republican warfare that has consumed the party’s primary races in recent years. In effect, the establishment is taking steps to fight back against Tea Party groups and other conservative organizations that have wielded significant influence in backing candidates who ultimately lost seats to Democrats in the general election.
The first test of the group’s effort to influence primary races could come here in Iowa, where some Republicans are already worrying about who will run for the seat being vacated by Senator Tom Harkin, a Democrat. It is the first open Senate seat in Iowa since 1974, and Republicans are fearful of squandering a rare opportunity.
The Conservative Victory Project, which is backed by Karl Rove and his allies who built American Crossroads into the largest Republican super PAC of the 2012 election cycle, will start by intensely vetting prospective contenders for Congressional races to try to weed out candidates who are seen as too flawed to win general elections.
The project is being waged with last year’s Senate contests in mind, particularly the one in Missouri, where Representative Todd Akin’s comment that “legitimate rape†rarely causes pregnancy rippled through races across the country. In Indiana, the Republican candidate, Richard E. Mourdock, lost a race after he said that when a woman became pregnant during a rape it was “something God intended.â€
As Republicans rebuild from losing the White House race and seats in the House and Senate last year, party leaders and strategists are placing a heightened focus on taking control of the Senate next year. Republicans must pick up six seats to win a majority.
Representative Steve King, a six-term Iowa Republican, could be among the earliest targets of the Conservative Victory Project. He said he had not decided whether he would run for the Senate, but the leaders of the project in Washington are not waiting to try to steer him away from the race.
The group’s plans, which were outlined for the first time last week in an interview with Mr. Law, call for hard-edge campaign tactics, including television advertising, against candidates whom party leaders see as unelectable and a drag on the efforts to win the Senate. Mr. Law cited Iowa as an example and said Republicans could no longer be squeamish about intervening in primary fights.
“We’re concerned about Steve King’s Todd Akin problem,†Mr. Law said. “This is an example of candidate discipline and how it would play in a general election. All of the things he’s said are going to be hung around his neck.â€
Mr. King has compiled a record of incendiary statements during his time in Congress, including comparing illegal immigrants to dogs and likening Capitol Hill maintenance workers to “Stasi troops†after they were ordered to install environmentally friendly light bulbs. But he rejected the suggestion that his voting record or previous remarks would keep him from winning if he decided to run for the Senate.
http://www.therightscoop.com/karl-rove-and-rich-gop-donors-wage-war-on-tea-party/
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Recruiting and grooming candidates. Who does that? That's right - this group does it. Who doesn't do it? The "real Conservatives." But they will bitch from here to forever about it though.
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They better find a good conservative candidate to run against Lindsey Graham in the next S.C. republican primary because I ain't voting for that RINO again.
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They better find a good conservative candidate to run against Lindsey Graham in the next S.C. republican primary because I ain't voting for that RINO again.
Isn't the former Governor...Mark Sanford going for that seat?
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Isn't the former Governor...Mark Sanford going for that seat?
No. Going for Tim Scott's US house seat.....don't want to vote for him either....but if push comes to shove, I will one time.
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What this is going to come down to for Conservative voters like myself...is that if Karl Rove and the establishment are supporting a candidate in a primary...then I'd better vote for the guy running against their pick.
Perfect example is them setting up against Steve King.
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We need a new party. No RINO's allowed.
It's a real shame when democrats in the southeast are more conservative than Republicans in the northeast.
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We need a new party. No RINO's allowed.
It's a real shame when democrats in the southeast are more conservative than Republicans in the northeast.
Allowing for the various exception to the rule that has pretty much always been the case.
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What this is going to come down to for Conservative voters like myself...is that if Karl Rove and the establishment are supporting a candidate in a primary...then I'd better vote for the guy running against their pick.
Perfect example is them setting up against Steve King.
The GOP does seem to be working hard to lose the conservative vote.
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I'm all for getting the most conservative candidate who can win: that description fit Mourdock, though. Look what the establishment did to him.
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I'm all for getting the most conservative candidate who can win: that description fit Mourdock, though. Look what the establishment did to him.
The RNC did the same thing to Bachmann. Pribus went on Mark Levin's show and lied his ass off about giving her support if the race got close.
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Hi,
What a bunch of idiots! I know a lot of folks like myself who get their invitations to donate all the time. I write on them when they decide to get back to conservative, let me know. I make sure to send them back in their postage paid envelopes too. The rich donors better belly up because announcing something like this is just going to reduce donations even further.
If I wanted a socialst government I would donate to democrats.
regards,
5412
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Idiots. Last two elections they gave us RINOs to vote for. How'd that work out, Karl, you moron?
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Rove lost all credibility with his election night rant about Ohio.
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Rove lost all credibility with his election night rant about Ohio.
:exactly:
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This is the kind of candidate the "establishment republicans" have given us; (I hate quoting huffpost but,)
Nevada Senate 2010: Harry Reid Racks Up Republican Endorsements
Perhaps more damaging than Angle's lack of support from many within the Nevada GOP has been the fact that many of the state's most influential Republicans have endorsed her opponent, Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/08/nevada-senate-2010-harry-_n_708109.html#s135369&title=Mayor_Rusty_Tybo
Now I think it's proper to say, as in Angle's case, we don't necessarily agree with EVERYTHING a candidate says (and that is what the establishment always tells us) but I think Angle would have been better than Reid........obviously the establishment republicans believe a democrat is better in this case. And BTW, this has happened in other races in 2010.
So if the "money" republicans want democrat-lite then I'll stick to voting Constitution Party.
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The Yankee establishment of Rove, Krawhammer, Coulter, Wills, etc try to masquerade as conservatives but in reality are big spenders just like Democrats. Good Tea Party candidates are the best hope of increasing Congressional numbers not some wishy washy middle of the road politician.
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Never was a fan of Karl Rove.
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Never was a fan of Karl Rove.
He was a good boogeyman to torture the DUmmies.
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He was a good boogeyman to torture the DUmmies.
I'm not real thrilled with Rubio and his capitulation regarding illegal aliens but I don't see any alternative on that issue.
as to the new thorn in the side of the democrat party, Cruz is off to one hell of a start.
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I'm starting to think we are the RINOs, not them.
RINO stands for Republican in name only, and it is clear the Republican party is not the conservative party.
So, if the party is not conservative then we are the oddballs, not the establishment.
We have been trying to take back the party since 2009, but we have been fought against just as hard by the Republicans as we have been by the Democrats.
I believe that we are without a party and our views are not welcome by those who run the GOP. The goal of the GOP is for them to get in power and they don't care what they have to do to be in power. They will adopt any position where they think they can gain votes.
I wish we could just form our own party and break away from the GOP then eventually just replace them like they did to the Whigs.
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I'm starting to think we are the RINOs, not them.
RINO stands for Republican in name only, and it is clear the Republican party is not the conservative party.
So, if the party is not conservative then we are the oddballs, not the establishment.
We have been trying to take back the party since 2009, but we have been fought against just as hard by the Republicans as we have been by the Democrats.
I believe that we are without a party and our views are not welcome by those who run the GOP. The goal of the GOP is for them to get in power and they don't care what they have to do to be in power. They will adopt any position where they think they can gain votes.
I wish we could just form our own party and break away from the GOP then eventually just replace them like they did to the Whigs.
I agree.
We need a "Conservative Party". Cigar and Brandy crowd need not apply. They're as bad as Limousine Liberals. Both elitists.
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I'm starting to think we are the RINOs, not them.
RINO stands for Republican in name only, and it is clear the Republican party is not the conservative party.
So, if the party is not conservative then we are the oddballs, not the establishment.
We have been trying to take back the party since 2009, but we have been fought against just as hard by the Republicans as we have been by the Democrats.
I believe that we are without a party and our views are not welcome by those who run the GOP. The goal of the GOP is for them to get in power and they don't care what they have to do to be in power. They will adopt any position where they think they can gain votes.
I wish we could just form our own party and break away from the GOP then eventually just replace them like they did to the Whigs.
I never used the term RINO, as I prefer the term CINO, Conservative In Name Only.
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Recruiting and grooming candidates. Who does that? That's right - this group does it. Who doesn't do it? The "real Conservatives." But they will bitch from here to forever about it though.
You know, if you're still trying to make the point that conservatives and libertarians should have compromised our principles and cuddled up to the country-club GOP, an article about country-club GOP leadership nuking conservative candidates is probably not the best place to do it.
Just sayin'.
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The GOP does seem to be working hard to lose the conservative vote.
In preferring principles - and standing for same - over victories for the party, conservatives have been an embarrassment to the progressive wing of the Republicans for a LONG DAMNED TIME.
**** 'em.
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I'm starting to think we are the RINOs, not them.
RINO stands for Republican in name only, and it is clear the Republican party is not the conservative party.
So, if the party is not conservative then we are the oddballs, not the establishment.
We have been trying to take back the party since 2009, but we have been fought against just as hard by the Republicans as we have been by the Democrats.
I believe that we are without a party and our views are not welcome by those who run the GOP. The goal of the GOP is for them to get in power and they don't care what they have to do to be in power. They will adopt any position where they think they can gain votes.
I wish we could just form our own party and break away from the GOP then eventually just replace them like they did to the Whigs.
Hannity constantly says he's not a registered Republican, that he's a registered Conservative. Maybe if Republican's changed their voting registration it might wake up the DC crowd.
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Hannity constantly says he's not a registered Republican, that he's a registered Conservative. Maybe if Republican's changed their voting registration it might wake up the DC crowd.
How does one become a registered conservative?
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How does one become a registered conservative?
New York State has a Conservative Party (http://www.cpnys.org/).
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The RNC has declared war on the Tea Party Conservatives.
They have sealed the death of the republican party.
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New York State has a Conservative Party (http://www.cpnys.org/).
Luckily, I'm not anywhere close to there.
ETA.
It needs to expand.
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Hi,
I am a registered independent here in FL which means I cannot vote in a primary.
We can talk about a third party but realistically that just means we end up like Mexico with one party rule for a century. Our best chance for survival and survival of the country is to take over the Republican party. We damn near made it with the TEA party and I know no one who has changed their views that is conservative. Personally, I think the minority side of the republican party is still in control.
regards,
5412
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IMHO the demise of and lack of influence of the Tea party republicans is being over exaggerated and under estimated. Look at the last round of elections, declared Tea party candidates won more elections than they lost. A ground up organization is going into the forum of two top down organizations and as such will be slow going as further support is garnered. unfortunately that may take some time considering the overall current political atmosphere.
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Hannity constantly says he's not a registered Republican, that he's a registered Conservative. Maybe if Republican's changed their voting registration it might wake up the DC crowd.
Hannity is about as conservative as Karl Rove, only Hannity claims that he supports the Tea Party.
The reality is Hannity will support anyone with an R next to their name.
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Hi,
I am a registered independent here in FL which means I cannot vote in a primary.
We can talk about a third party but realistically that just means we end up like Mexico with one party rule for a century. Our best chance for survival and survival of the country is to take over the Republican party. We damn near made it with the TEA party and I know no one who has changed their views that is conservative. Personally, I think the minority side of the republican party is still in control.
regards,
5412
Yeah I know we are stuck with the GOP.
I will make a deal with you, and all conservative independents in FL, if you re register as a republican and vote in the primaries, I will do the same.
I couldn't bring myself to register as a repuke when I moved to FL, so I registered as NPA.
Now that I think about it people like us who registered as independents or no party affiliation are part of the problem, since we can't vote in the primaries, then we bitch and moan that we get stuck with RINOs. I don't know if us voting in the primaries can bring change, but it is worth a try.
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Yeah I know we are stuck with the GOP.
I will make a deal with you, and all conservative independents in FL, if you re register as a republican and vote in the primaries, I will do the same.
I couldn't bring myself to register as a repuke when I moved to FL, so I registered as NPA.
Now that I think about it people like us who registered as independents or no party affiliation are part of the problem, since we can't vote in the primaries, then we bitch and moan that we get stuck with RINOs. I don't know if us voting in the primaries can bring change, but it is worth a try.
Hi,
I would but I just cannot bring myself to do so. I used to be a regular contributor to the party, got pictures signed by George and Laura Bush, you know the drill. Now I don't send them a dime. I will contribute directly to candidates I support, like Marco when he was running but not the party.
Why sign up as a republican to get on more mailing lists I don't want to be on?
regards,
5412
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Hi,
I would but I just cannot bring myself to do so. I used to be a regular contributor to the party, got pictures signed by George and Laura Bush, you know the drill. Now I don't send them a dime. I will contribute directly to candidates I support, like Marco when he was running but not the party.
Why sign up as a republican to get on more mailing lists I don't want to be on?
regards,
5412
Just because you register as a republican doesn't mean you have to donate to the party.
If conservatives don't start voting in the primaries then how we will get rid of the establishment republicans?
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Just because you register as a republican doesn't mean you have to donate to the party.
If conservatives don't start voting in the primaries then how we will get rid of the establishment republicans?
I vote Republican in the primaries. By the time my state has their primary, the rest of the country has already picked the candidate. I usually vote for someone other thanthe one annoited by the RNC that has cast me aside as irrelevant.
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I vote Republican in the primaries. By the time my state has their primary, the rest of the country has already picked the candidate. I usually vote for someone other thanthe one annoited by the RNC that has cast me aside as irrelevant.
I was thinking more along the lines of house and senate races, since it does seem that our presidential candidate is picked for us.
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I was thinking more along the lines of house and senate races, since it does seem that our presidential candidate is picked for us.
I vote for the candidate that agrees most with the the Tea Party.
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New York State has a Conservative Party (http://www.cpnys.org/).
So does North Carolina (http://www.conservativepartync.org/)
Might have to consider that...
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I vote for the candidate that agrees most with the the Tea Party.
Me too but I am tired of voting for supposedly conservatives and then they fold like a wet noodle when pressure is brought to bear on them. Need to get rid of Bonehead. He makes me ill.
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Me too but I am tired of voting for supposedly conservatives and then they fold like a wet noodle when pressure is brought to bear on them. Need to get rid of Bonehead. He makes me ill.
Roger Roger
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Some interesting notes on teh Rove and the Executive Director of his new PAC.
Rove:
Supported Ford over Reagan in 1976
Supported Bush 41 over Reagan in 1980
Failed to gain a popular vote victory for Bush 43 in 2000. Sent W to campaign for Arlen Spector over Pat Toomey in PA in 2004
As Sr. Political Advisor to W in 2006 lost the House and Senate to the Dems...which gave us Obama as President.
Used less than 10% of his PAC's 340 million dollar in the last election cycle on TEA Party Candidates.
Is going around not only trashing the TEA Party on Fox and talk radio...he's lying about Steve King and his comments about Todd Aiken.
Steven Law - Exec. Dir Conservative Victory Fund
Was the Executive Director of the RSCC from 1998 - 2000
Failed to gain any Senate seats in the 1998 mid terms despite the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
Lost 4 seats in the Senate in the 2000 election causing the Senate to be split after Dems coaxed "Jumpin" Jim Jeffords to join them.
These are the two supposedly smart "experts" that are going to lead us back to the White House and Control of Congress?
They should have named their PAC the Anti-Conservative Victory Fund.
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Lots of folks backed other candidates over Reagan in his ascension to the Presidency. Seems they felt Reagan wasn't "Conservative " enough for their tastes.
Those that insist upon party/idealogical purity helped to bring about what is currently hampering the Republican party, Fractured and divided.
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Karl Rove should just fade away.
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Lots of folks backed other candidates over Reagan in his ascension to the Presidency. Seems they felt Reagan wasn't "Conservative " enough for their tastes.
Those that insist upon party/idealogical purity helped to bring about what is currently hampering the Republican party, Fractured and divided.
The point is that the candidates Rove has supported have all been to a large extent RINOs.
This isn't about some purity test...that's what the Paulbots and 100%'ers want.
But nominating a Republican with actual conservative principals and ideas would be nice.
People like Rove are trying to convince us Dem-lite is the new Conservatism when its not.
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Lots of folks backed other candidates over Reagan in his ascension to the Presidency. Seems they felt Reagan wasn't "Conservative " enough for their tastes.
Those that insist upon party/idealogical purity helped to bring about what is currently hampering the Republican party, Fractured and divided.
Well that's a new one on me. I worked for Reagan in the 1980 primary and most felt he was "too conservative".
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Rove is a liar like most politicians and has an ego to match. When asked about why spending under Bush escalated, he comes up with these charts and percentages that are mind boggling. DC insiders are so out of touch with the average American. As long as we have people like him having an influence on the Repub. party, we are in deep shit. The RINO and Yankee establishment would rather have a liberal win an election than a Tea Party candidate. That way they at least retain a piece of the pie where Palin or a Tea Party candidate might kick their ass to the curb.
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Hi,
What a bunch of idiots! I know a lot of folks like myself who get their invitations to donate all the time. I write on them when they decide to get back to conservative, let me know. I make sure to send them back in their postage paid envelopes too. The rich donors better belly up because announcing something like this is just going to reduce donations even further.
If I wanted a socialst government I would donate to democrats.
regards,
5412
My MIL is something else. When the Republicans call and ask for donations, she says she'll donate when they get a set of balls. There's nothing more ardent than a conservative Republican who is a former dem. She saw the light and is giving the RINO's hell now.
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PAC: We need to raise more money to get our message out on these candidates we believe in.
RC: I am not giving "them" my money until "they" give me a real conservative candidate. I want a candidate who is this, this and they sure as hell better be this.
PAC: Ok then. Next.
RC: "They" are ruining this country with RINOs.
PAC: Thank you donors for your donations... we agree these candidates have the best shot at winning.
RC: :bawl: I won't vote. I will stay home. :bawl:
DNC: Hey I know he hasn't delivered on 99.999% of the promises he made, but he is a (D) so vote vote vote today!!
Election Day: Barrack Hussein Obama is the winnah!!
DNC: Of course he is, HOORAY!!
PAC: We need to raise more money for these candidates.
RC: I am not giving "them" my money until "they" give me a real conservative candidate...
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
We the people need to find a candidate who represents our values and can win.....it's just that "we" don't mean "me" to RC.
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PAC: We need to raise more money to get our message out on these candidates we believe in.
RC: I am not giving "them" my money until "they" give me a real conservative candidate. I want a candidate who is this, this and they sure as hell better be this.
PAC: Ok then. Next.
RC: "They" are ruining this country with RINOs.
PAC: Thank you donors for your donations... we agree these candidates have the best shot at winning.
RC: :bawl: I won't vote. I will stay home. :bawl:
DNC: Hey I know he hasn't delivered on 99.999% of the promises he made, but he is a (D) so vote vote vote today!!
Election Day: Barrack Hussein Obama is the winnah!!
DNC: Of course he is, HOORAY!!
PAC: We need to raise more money for these candidates.
RC: I am not giving "them" my money until "they" give me a real conservative candidate...
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
We the people need to find a candidate who represents our values and can win.....it's just that "we" don't mean "me" to RC.
Hi,
Nice try. There is an old saying, when you continue with the same type of behavior, expect the same result. While that is the implication of this, there is several fatal flaws.
Reagan was Conservative, when Bush ran we thought he was conservative at the time.
The second flaw in your presentation is this. I seriously doubt any of us who are complaining about RINO's sat out the election, we voted against BO and everything he stands for. We feel if we had a true conservative we would have won the election.
Voting for a RINO is one thing, financially supporting the party who does not represent our views is something else.
Name one republican president who has been elected since Reagan who was known to be a RINO before the election? Why would a person vote for a RINO, if they want Santa Claus they can vote for the real thing.
regards,
5412
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Hi,
Nice try. There is an old saying, when you continue with the same type of behavior, expect the same result. While that is the implication of this, there is several fatal flaws.
Reagan was Conservative, when Bush ran we thought he was conservative at the time.
The second flaw in your presentation is this. I seriously doubt any of us who are complaining about RINO's sat out the election, we voted against BO and everything he stands for. We feel if we had a true conservative we would have won the election.
Voting for a RINO is one thing, financially supporting the party who does not represent our views is something else.
Name one republican president who has been elected since Reagan who was known to be a RINO before the election? Why would a person vote for a RINO, if they want Santa Claus they can vote for the real thing.
regards,
5412
We knewthat Romney was a RINO before the election--he lost. We knew that McCain was a RINO before the election--he lost. You would think that the RNC would at least shove a candidate at us that is not an obvious RINO. The RNC has made their choice. They think Dem-lite RINOs are the way to win elections and if they don't win, it's the fault of the Conservatives within the party. In their arogant monds, it could never be their own stupidity of turning their backs on Conservatives.
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Hi,
Nice try. There is an old saying, when you continue with the same type of behavior, expect the same result. While that is the implication of this, there is several fatal flaws.
Reagan was Conservative, when Bush ran we thought he was conservative at the time.
The second flaw in your presentation is this. I seriously doubt any of us who are complaining about RINO's sat out the election, we voted against BO and everything he stands for. We feel if we had a true conservative we would have won the election.
Voting for a RINO is one thing, financially supporting the party who does not represent our views is something else.
Name one republican president who has been elected since Reagan who was known to be a RINO before the election? Why would a person vote for a RINO, if they want Santa Claus they can vote for the real thing.
regards,
5412
Oh but there are RC who stay home, which is why the messiah was granted a second term.
You missed the entire point of my post. You are the we the people. You are the one who participates in the same exercise election after election, yet fully expect others to change the script.
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We knewthat Romney was a RINO before the election--he lost. We knew that McCain was a RINO before the election--he lost. You would think that the RNC would at least shove a candidate at us that is not an obvious RINO. The RNC has made their choice. They think Dem-lite RINOs are the way to win elections and if they don't win, it's the fault of the Conservatives within the party. In their arogant monds, it could never be their own stupidity of turning their backs on Conservatives.
You realize that the RNC serves at the pleasure of its membership.
No, actually it's clear you don't see that.
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Hell even the loony tunes Libertarians know how to change the system. They failed last time around, but they aren't going to stop trying.
RC? Let others do the work. Now who does that sound like...
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You realize that the RNC serves at the pleasure of its membership.
No, actually it's clear you don't see that.
Yes, I do understand that. Real Conservatives are leaving the party and leaving it to the Dem-lites that control it--i.e. the membership that rejected real Conservatives.
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Rove is a liar like most politicians and has an ego to match. When asked about why spending under Bush escalated, he comes up with these charts and percentages that are mind boggling. DC insiders are so out of touch with the average American. As long as we have people like him having an influence on the Repub. party, we are in deep shit. The RINO and Yankee establishment would rather have a liberal win an election than a Tea Party candidate. That way they at least retain a piece of the pie where Palin or a Tea Party candidate might kick their ass to the curb.
Never was a real fan of Rove.
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Hannity is about as conservative as Karl Rove, only Hannity claims that he supports the Tea Party.
The reality is Hannity will support anyone with an R next to their name.
Sometimes I listen to Hannity. He can be real annoying.
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Sometimes I listen to Hannity. He can be real annoying.
He does a good job during election season. The rest of the year, I can't really listen to him.
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Yes, I do understand that. Real Conservatives are leaving the party and leaving it to the Dem-lites that control it--i.e. the membership that rejected real Conservatives.
RC leave the party because they don't want to do the work to change it. Really is a sad day when the Libertarians have more of a clue than the RCs.
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RC leave the party because they don't want to do the work to change it. Really is a sad day when the Libertarians have more of a clue than the RCs.
After awhile, people get sick of dealing with idiots and move one to other places. This has gone on so long, there is little hope for the Conservatives to ever be truly welcome in the Republican party. All the RINO's want (EXPECT) from us is our vote. they refuse to give anything in return for it.
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After awhile, people get sick of dealing with idiots and move one to other places. This has gone on so long, there is little hope for the Conservatives to ever be truly welcome in the Republican party. All the RINO's want (EXPECT) from us is our vote. they refuse to give anything in return for it.
QFT
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After awhile, people get sick of dealing with idiots and move one to other places. This has gone on so long, there is little hope for the Conservatives to ever be truly welcome in the Republican party. All the RINO's want (EXPECT) from us is our vote. they refuse to give anything in return for it.
:banghead: <---- honest to the good Lord. You actually think there is this group of "they" who make ALL the decisions.
How about you actually look into how the Republican platform is developed? All politics are local. All politics are local.
ALL POLITICS ARE LOCAL.
You poor helpless Real Conservatives. Those big bag "they" RINOs bullying you again?
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:banghead: <---- honest to the good Lord. You actually think there is this group of "they" who make ALL the decisions.
How about you actually look into how the Republican platform is developed? All politics are local. All politics are local.
ALL POLITICS ARE LOCAL.
You poor helpless Real Conservatives. Those big bag "they" RINOs bullying you again?
They are not just Bullying COnservatives. They have actually declared war on Conservatives with Karl Rove at the front of the charge. Now, after this, please tell me why REAL conservatives should ever trust these creatures.
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THE PARABLE OF THE SHIT SANDWICH
Once upon a time, there was a clear-eyed, strong-hearted young man named Jack who lived in the wilderness. Jack was very hungry. Wherever Jack looked, he could not find nourishment, so he grew hungrier and hungrier.
One day, a man came to the wilderness and offered Jack a sandwich. He said it was a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. The sandwich didn't smell like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich- it smelled like shit. So Jack opened the sandwich and saw it was made with 51% crusty old shit, and 49% grape jelly. Jack refused to eat the shit sandwich.
The man asked, "Why do you refuse to eat this sandwich? Aren't you hungry?"
Jack said, "I am hungry, but I refuse to eat a shit sandwich."
The man replied, "Well, you had better eat it, because the only other man in this wilderness who has sandwiches is selling pure shit with no grape jelly, and you wouldn't want that!" He then took his finger and scraped off a little bit of shit, and told Jack, "Now it's 49% shit and 51% grape jelly, so it's not a shit sandwich anymore. It's a jelly sandwich, and you had better eat it, because the other guy's sandwich is much worse."
But Jack was not so easily fooled. He decided he'd rather be hungry than take the man's shit. He told the man to roll up his shit sandwich into a little ball and stick it up his ass, and Jack lived happier ever after.
The moral of the story is... do I really need to spell it out for you?
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THE PARABLE OF THE SHIT SANDWICH
Once upon a time, there was a clear-eyed, strong-hearted young man named Jack who lived in the wilderness. Jack was very hungry. Wherever Jack looked, he could not find nourishment, so he grew hungrier and hungrier.
One day, a man came to the wilderness and offered Jack a sandwich. He said it was a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. The sandwich didn't smell like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich- it smelled like shit. So Jack opened the sandwich and saw it was made with 51% crusty old shit, and 49% grape jelly. Jack refused to eat the shit sandwich.
The man asked, "Why do you refuse to eat this sandwich? Aren't you hungry?"
Jack said, "I am hungry, but I refuse to eat a shit sandwich."
The man replied, "Well, you had better eat it, because the only other man in this wilderness who has sandwiches is selling pure shit with no grape jelly, and you wouldn't want that!" He then took his finger and scraped off a little bit of shit, and told Jack, "Now it's 49% shit and 51% grape jelly, so it's not a shit sandwich anymore. It's a jelly sandwich, and you had better eat it, because the other guy's sandwich is much worse."
But Jack was not so easily fooled. He decided he'd rather be hungry than take the man's shit. He told the man to roll up his shit sandwich into a little ball and stick it up his ass, and Jack lived happier ever after.
The moral of the story is... do I really need to spell it out for you?
You mean Jack died of starvation
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You mean Jack died of starvation
If the choice was to eat shit or die, Jack knew what he would do. As General John Stark said, "Live free or die. Death is not the worst of evils."
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THE PARABLE OF THE SHIT SANDWICH
Once upon a time, there was a clear-eyed, strong-hearted young man named Jack who lived in the wilderness. Jack was very hungry. Wherever Jack looked, he could not find nourishment, so he grew hungrier and hungrier.
One day, a man came to the wilderness and offered Jack a sandwich. He said it was a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. The sandwich didn't smell like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich- it smelled like shit. So Jack opened the sandwich and saw it was made with 51% crusty old shit, and 49% grape jelly. Jack refused to eat the shit sandwich.
The man asked, "Why do you refuse to eat this sandwich? Aren't you hungry?"
Jack said, "I am hungry, but I refuse to eat a shit sandwich."
The man replied, "Well, you had better eat it, because the only other man in this wilderness who has sandwiches is selling pure shit with no grape jelly, and you wouldn't want that!" He then took his finger and scraped off a little bit of shit, and told Jack, "Now it's 49% shit and 51% grape jelly, so it's not a shit sandwich anymore. It's a jelly sandwich, and you had better eat it, because the other guy's sandwich is much worse."
But Jack was not so easily fooled. He decided he'd rather be hungry than take the man's shit. He told the man to roll up his shit sandwich into a little ball and stick it up his ass, and Jack lived happier ever after.
The moral of the story is... do I really need to spell it out for you?
H^5
Democrats are great at eating shit sandwiches. They even thinkthat they are steak if the DNC says so. I'm no Democrat and I refuse to eat shit sandwiches prepared by the RNC (DNC-lite).
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You mean Jack died of starvation
Jack would rather someone get him a sandwich of his liking.
Jack believes the only two men in the wilderness story by the way.
Poor Jack.
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H^5
Democrats are great at eating shit sandwiches. They even thinkthat they are steak if the DNC says so. I'm no Democrat and I refuse to eat shit sandwiches prepared by the RNC (DNC-lite).
Bullies. Someone should write an exposé on THEM.
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Bullies. Someone should write an exposé on THEM.
The RNC presidential candidates worked out really well in 2008 and 2012 didn't they?
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The RNC presidential candidates worked out really well in 2008 and 2012 didn't they?
I know. THEY are a bunch of assholes.
Just one question (as the point eludes you), who exactly is they?
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I know. THEY are a bunch of assholes.
Just one question (as the point eludes you), who exactly is they?
If one were to follow the logic of the sentences presented in this thread, you would know that 'THEY' are the RNC and their worthless RINO Presidential candidates.
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We knewthat Romney was a RINO before the election--he lost. We knew that McCain was a RINO before the election--he lost. You would think that the RNC would at least shove a candidate at us that is not an obvious RINO. The RNC has made their choice. They think Dem-lite RINOs are the way to win elections and if they don't win, it's the fault of the Conservatives within the party. In their arogant monds, it could never be their own stupidity of turning their backs on Conservatives.
Hi,
Totally understand and agree with you. I will be damned if I am going to send a dime to any of these clowns when they do not represent me and my views.
regards,
5412
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If one were to follow the logic of the sentences presented in this thread, you would know that 'THEY' are the RNC and their worthless RINO Presidential candidates.
I had this crazy idea that it was the 10 million voters who voted for Romney in the GOP primaries that made him the nominee
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I had this crazy idea that it was the 10 million voters who voted for Romney in the GOP primaries that made him the nominee
Every time a Conservative would give Romney competition, they (Romney/RNC campaign) would assassinate his character--like the Dems do.
By the time that the primaries got to my state, for all practical purposes, the choice had already been made.
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Every time a Conservative would give Romney competition, they (Romney/RNC campaign) would assassinate his character--like the Dems do.
By the time that the primaries got to my state, for all practical purposes, the choice had already been made.
So your theory is that they couldnt stand up to Romney's "dirty tricks" but they would have easily defeated the democrats dirty tricks
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So your theory is that they couldnt stand up to Romney's "dirty tricks" but they would have easily defeated the democrats dirty tricks
No Romney's dirty tricks were just like the Dem that he is.
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No Romney's dirty tricks were just like the Dem that he is.
But what makes you think that a "conservative" who cant beat Romney's dirty tricks could somehow beat Obama's dirty tricks?
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But what makes you think that a "conservative" who cant beat Romney's dirty tricks could somehow beat Obama's dirty tricks?
It helped Romney that the RNC had already picked him.
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The deflection toward Romney almost worked.
The RNC has declared war on the Tea Party Conservatives. They have declared war on me and people who share my views. Again, tell me why I should support the RNC and their chosen Dem-lite RINO candidates.
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The RNC has declared war on the Tea Party Conservatives. They have declared war on me and people who share my views. Again, tell me why I should support the RNC and their chosen Dem-lite RINO candidates.
The Tea Party has declared war on anyone who they dont think is conservative enough. The have declared war on republicans and people vote republican. Again tell me why I should support their candidates who cant stop talking about rape.
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It helped Romney that the RNC had already picked him.
yup that magical RNC who forced 10 million people to vote for Romney and send all their money to him as well
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yup that magical RNC who forced 10 million people to vote for Romney and send all their money to him as well
::)
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So your theory is that they couldnt stand up to Romney's "dirty tricks" but they would have easily defeated the democrats dirty tricks
The combination of Romney and the MSM...too much for anyone. And of course the Dems were more than happy to play along.
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yup that magical RNC who forced 10 million people to vote for Romney and send all their money to him as well
Obtuse much?
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The Tea Party has declared war on anyone who they dont think is conservative enough. The have declared war on republicans and people vote republican. Again tell me why I should support their candidates who cant stop talking about rape.
Thanks for reminding me why I think youre a jackass.
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The Tea Party has declared war on anyone who they dont think is conservative enough. The have declared war on republicans and people vote republican. Again tell me why I should support their candidates who cant stop talking about rape.
Hi,
Having attended several tea party rallies I can say this to you. You have no clue what the tea party is all about. You are brainwashed by the media.
The other night I was at a dinner and a bright young woman tore into the tea party and what they stood for. I listened then politely corrected her by saying that TEA stood for "Taxed Enough Already". Our message was simple, stop the spending, stop the incessant taxes, and get back to what the constitution stands for. We are against big government and all that believe in that.
When I finsished, she was dumbfounded and said, "Well I believe in those things too." I then followed up by suggesting that it was both democrats and republicans, coupled with the complicit media, that made the term tea party the most negative term in politics. We are a threat to all of them.
Does the Tea Party have some candidates that say stupid things? Of course, and they deserve to lose when they do. Then again let's look at Pelosi, Waters and Biden for stupid stuff. Why don't they get villified by the media when they say stupid stuff all the time?
If one candidate says something stupid, you ask why you should vote for them.....you probably shouldn't. I do draw one major distinction. While you may not agree with his position, nor do I, at least he was honest. Seems to me that the RINO's and libs both lie to get nominated and elected, then govern as they wish.
As long as you are going to let the media shape your views, you will continue to sound like the "low information voter" which is the typical liberal lemming. Perhaps that is why you don't fare well on this forum, most here are inclined to see through the BS and look at the facts.
5412
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I had this crazy idea that it was the 10 million voters who voted for Romney in the GOP primaries that made him the nominee
It's like whistling in a graveyard.
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Just so we are clear here - THEY is you. THEY are the folks who join their city/town Republican committees, get elected as state delegates, then get elected as state party delegates for the National convention, then represent their Republican constituents in developing a national platform, and then supporting candidates (the state delegates develop state platform, and decided which state candidates they will support).
So in short THEY is your neighbor. THEY is probably someone you know if you ever leave your house and are actually involved in politics locally. THEY could very easily be you, and others like you who believe in strong conservative values.
But of course to become THEY you have to work, and in some states work VERY hard to obtain those seats. :bawl: on internet boards with tough guy personas is much easier.
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ALL POLITICS ARE LOCAL. Republicans will keep losing, and nothing will ever change, until they understand what that means.
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ALL POLITICS ARE LOCAL.
No. The game has changed. The RNC, DNC, their deep-pocket proxies, and the media are not local, and they control the process.
Preezy O'Choom and Me-Too Romney are perfect examples of the new political process, where national political machines promote a candidate, pour truckloads of money into markets, and control the process from above. The RNC's new reality show, "Karl Rove's Conservative Defeat Project" is a good example.
Electability is the new mantra. The Democrats promoted a mixed race multi-culti of dubious sexual orientation, with absolutely no executive experience; while the Republicans promoted a professional candidate with a history of opposing the current Republican platform and no current achievement to claim as his own, who agreed with the Democrat on so many things that I wondered if they had a bromance going on out on the campaign trail.
Two shit sandwiches with a dab of grape jelly on yours, formerlurker. You may choose to eat that sandwich, but you are going to have a hard time selling your shit sandwich to us out here in the wilderness- as the last election proved.
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As long as we keep putting up with me too RINO candidates like Romney, and don't get down in the trenches and fight for conservative principals, we will continue to lose Presidential races. That is one of the main reasons he lost. Just to be clear, no national recognized Yankee politician like fat boy will EVER be the type of conservative that will excite the base in fly over country. Romney got stomped in the northeast and it will happen again with Christie.
People like Rove, Krawhammer, Willls, Coulter think they can make a pig out of a poke. It ain't never going to happen. If these dumb ass's think it will, we will have four more years of the same after Obama leaves office.
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No. The game has changed. The RNC, DNC, their deep-pocket proxies, and the media are not local, and they control the process.
Preezy O'Choom and Me-Too Romney are perfect examples of the new political process, where national political machines promote a candidate, pour truckloads of money into markets, and control the process from above. The RNC's new reality show, "Karl Rove's Conservative Defeat Project"
Electability is the new mantra. The Democrats promoted a mixed race multi-culti of dubious sexual orientation, with absolutely no executive experience; while the Republicans promoted a professional candidate with a history of opposing the current Republican platform and no current achievement to claim as his own, who agreed with the Democrat on so many things that I wondered if they had a bromance going on out on the campaign trail.
Two shit sandwiches with a dab of grape jelly on yours, formerlurker. You may choose to eat that sandwich, but you are going to have a hard time selling your shit sandwich to us out here in the wilderness- as the last election proved.
:clap:
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As long as we keep putting up with me too RINO candidates like Romney, and don't get down in the trenches and fight for conservative principals, we will continue to lose Presidential races. That is one of the main reasons he lost. Just to be clear, no national recognized Yankee politician like fat boy will EVER be the type of conservative that will excite the base in fly over country. Romney got stomped in the northeast and it will happen again with Christie.
People like Rove, Krawhammer, Willls, Coulter think they can make a pig out of a poke. It ain't never going to happen. If these dumb ass's think it will, we will have four more years of the same after Obama leaves office.
Political Consultants are like Radio consultants...the only thing they're good for is ****ing up a winning operation.
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No. The game has changed. The RNC, DNC, their deep-pocket proxies, and the media are not local, and they control the process.
NO. The delegates are the ones who VOTE at the local and national level for these candidates. They are NOT bought off by those with deep-pockets (and if they are then I am missing a freaking payment :censored:).
THEY control the process. THEY control who gets the nomination. THEY control the platform.
THEY = YOU.
Of course, the smoking man thinks you have said too much... so listen for those helicopters...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/The_Smoking_Man_(X-Files).jpg)
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Two shit sandwiches with a dab of grape jelly on yours, formerlurker. You may choose to eat that sandwich, but you are going to have a hard time selling your shit sandwich to us out here in the wilderness- as the last election proved.
Obamaphone, quality sandwich? do you see the difference here people cause I sure the hell don't.
You want others to come sell you something. Got it.
:bawl: in another socialist president.
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You know the loony Libertarians raided the national delegate voting process, cause they understand that all politics are local.
Their game plan was slightly off this time around, but they will adjust and have a better plan in place for 2016. Why? because they understand that all politics are local, and they further understand that folks are lard-ass lazy for the most part and usually don't participate in government (be that party committee meetings, votes, or even their own town meetings etc.).
Folks sure like to talk a big game, but when it comes to actually doing something? it's all excuses.
RC claim there is a problem, but :bawl: about the problem is all they got, change makers that they are...
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No. The game has changed. The RNC, DNC, their deep-pocket proxies, and the media are not local, and they control the process.
Preezy O'Choom and Me-Too Romney are perfect examples of the new political process, where national political machines promote a candidate, pour truckloads of money into markets, and control the process from above. The RNC's new reality show, "Karl Rove's Conservative Defeat Project" is a good example.
Electability is the new mantra. The Democrats promoted a mixed race multi-culti of dubious sexual orientation, with absolutely no executive experience; while the Republicans promoted a professional candidate with a history of opposing the current Republican platform and no current achievement to claim as his own, who agreed with the Democrat on so many things that I wondered if they had a bromance going on out on the campaign trail.
Two shit sandwiches with a dab of grape jelly on yours, formerlurker. You may choose to eat that sandwich, but you are going to have a hard time selling your shit sandwich to us out here in the wilderness- as the last election proved.
:clap: :clap:
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Obamaphone, quality sandwich? do you see the difference here people cause I sure the hell don't.
You want others to come sell you something. Got it.
:bawl: in another socialist president.
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That is not what we want. We have stated what that is and you went out of your way to ignore it.
Were you born an asshole or have you been working on it your whole life?
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NO. The delegates are the ones who VOTE at the local and national level for these candidates. They are NOT bought off by those with deep-pockets (and if they are then I am missing a freaking payment :censored:).
THEY control the process. THEY control who gets the nomination. THEY control the platform.
THEY = YOU.
Of course, the smoking man thinks you have said too much... so listen for those helicopters...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/The_Smoking_Man_(X-Files).jpg)
For a Yankee, you are dense. Money talks and bullshit walks. That is how it works in National politics including Congress and the Presidency. Idealism like yours may work for the local dog catcher but not that far beyond.
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And not suprisingly, none of the Pro-RINOs in this thread have directly answered my question. Why should the Tea Party Conservatives trust the RNC and their candidates after publically declaring war on us?
All that I got was a twisting of my own post into anti-Tea Party BS citing that the Tea Party had declared war on everyone else. Of course, the RINO forgot to mention the 2+prior election cycles where the Conservatives had supported their RINO candidates only to be rejected after the establishment RNC candidates received their votes. These RINOs refuse to see their own double-crossing hypocracy. No wonder they are no different than Democraps.
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And not suprisingly, none of the Pro-RINOs in this thread have directly answered my question. Why should the Tea Party Conservatives trust the RNC and their candidates after publically declaring war on us?
All that I got was a twisting of my own post into anti-Tea Party BS citing that the Tea Party had declared war on everyone else. Of course, the RINO forgot to mention the 2+prior election cycles where the Conservatives had supported their RINO candidates only to be rejected after the establishment RNC candidates received their votes. These RINOs refuse to see their own double-crossing hypocracy. No wonder they are no different than Democraps.
Hi,
I'm with you on this one. I'd love to believe all politics are local; however there is tons of money poured into Iowa and the early primaries from outside the state. What that does is cull the field very early due to economics. By that time the hand picked candidates have momentum and the others drop out out due to economics. Then by the time the primary gets to the rest of us we have to choose the lesser of the two republican evils.
My point is all politics used to be local. If it still was, how come there is so much outside money dumped into the early primaries?
What really is frustrating is this. If a conservative tries to hang in there, he is destroyed by the national republican party because the fight for the nomination hurts all the candidates. By the time they get the nomination a lot of money is already gone and damage is done. Unfortunately, or it may turn out to be fortunately, the RINO's have to continue to lose until they finally give up and wake up. By that time there will be so much damage done by the liberals there will be little left to salvage.
regards,
5412
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And not suprisingly, none of the Pro-RINOs in this thread have directly answered my question. Why should the Tea Party Conservatives trust the RNC and their candidates after publically declaring war on us?
Given how the RNC treated candidates this last election cycle and the noises Karl Rove is making now...the TEA Party and Conservatives in genereal need to put as much distance between themselves and the establishment GOP as possible.
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Hi,
Having attended several tea party rallies I can say this to you. You have no clue what the tea party is all about. You are brainwashed by the media.
The other night I was at a dinner and a bright young woman tore into the tea party and what they stood for. I listened then politely corrected her by saying that TEA stood for "Taxed Enough Already". Our message was simple, stop the spending, stop the incessant taxes, and get back to what the constitution stands for. We are against big government and all that believe in that.
When I finsished, she was dumbfounded and said, "Well I believe in those things too." I then followed up by suggesting that it was both democrats and republicans, coupled with the complicit media, that made the term tea party the most negative term in politics. We are a threat to all of them.
Does the Tea Party have some candidates that say stupid things? Of course, and they deserve to lose when they do. Then again let's look at Pelosi, Waters and Biden for stupid stuff. Why don't they get villified by the media when they say stupid stuff all the time?
If one candidate says something stupid, you ask why you should vote for them.....you probably shouldn't. I do draw one major distinction. While you may not agree with his position, nor do I, at least he was honest. Seems to me that the RINO's and libs both lie to get nominated and elected, then govern as they wish.
As long as you are going to let the media shape your views, you will continue to sound like the "low information voter" which is the typical liberal lemming. Perhaps that is why you don't fare well on this forum, most here are inclined to see through the BS and look at the facts.
5412
HI-5
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I'd like to make a couple observations;
#1- Harry Reid was ENDORSED by republican leaders.
#2- Bain Capital gave $2 million to Romney (to "kill" his primary opponents) but also $4.5 million to Democratic campaigns and causes
What does the RNC stand for again ? I'm having trouble seeing a difference...........
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Hi,
I'm with you on this one. I'd love to believe all politics are local; however there is tons of money poured into Iowa and the early primaries from outside the state. What that does is cull the field very early due to economics. By that time the hand picked candidates have momentum and the others drop out out due to economics. Then by the time the primary gets to the rest of us we have to choose the lesser of the two republican evils.
My point is all politics used to be local. If it still was, how come there is so much outside money dumped into the early primaries?
What really is frustrating is this. If a conservative tries to hang in there, he is destroyed by the national republican party because the fight for the nomination hurts all the candidates. By the time they get the nomination a lot of money is already gone and damage is done. Unfortunately, or it may turn out to be fortunately, the RINO's have to continue to lose until they finally give up and wake up. By that time there will be so much damage done by the liberals there will be little left to salvage.
regards,
5412
It isn't just the "National" party, I witnessed this happening at the "local" level as well. BTW: In my county the "state committee persons" were essentially chosen by the County Chairman and in turn the National committee persons by the STATE chairman. Sure there have been attempts to go against the chairmen but with VERY LIMITED results.
It's sad but unless there is an "outside" movement like the TEA PARTY, things pretty much stay the same.........in the hands of the "professional" politicians. Damn, I just depressed myself. :censored:
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That is not what we want. We have stated what that is and you went out of your way to ignore it.
Were you born an asshole or have you been working on it your whole life?
She is in the law profession; so, that speaks volumes.
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Obtuse much?
Ignorant much?
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but you are going to have a hard time selling your shit sandwich to us out here in the wilderness- as the last election proved.
The last election proved that "conservatives" and the tea party are willing to vote for Obama to spite the republican party
Republicans that voted for Obama: 6%
Tea Party that voted for Obama: 11%
Conservatives that voted for Obama: 17%
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-exit-poll
Obama is your shit sandwich now you have to eat it.
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The last election proved that "conservatives" and the tea party are willing to vote for Obama to spite the republican party
Republicans that voted for Obama: 6%
Tea Party that voted for Obama: 11%
Conservatives that voted for Obama: 17%
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-exit-poll
Obama is your shit sandwich now you have to eat it.
Your source is an exit poll? And no one ever lies on those. EVER. :sarcasm:
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The last election proved that "conservatives" and the tea party are willing to vote for Obama to spite the republican party
Republicans that voted for Obama: 6%
Tea Party that voted for Obama: 11%
Conservatives that voted for Obama: 17%
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-exit-poll
Obama is your shit sandwich now you have to eat it.
And the Dumbshit post of the day goes tooooo.......
Envelope please... the Winner is this gem from BigTex
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The last election proved that "conservatives" and the tea party are willing to vote for Obama to spite the republican party
Republicans that voted for Obama: 6%
Tea Party that voted for Obama: 11%
Conservatives that voted for Obama: 17%
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-exit-poll
Obama is your shit sandwich now you have to eat it.
The only stat I could believe without a doubt is that 64% of O voters don't have HS diplomas. Sad that they wouldn't even qualify for military service, the left's benchmark for "too dumb to breathe without a reminder".
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And the Dumbshit post of the day goes tooooo.......
Envelope please... the Winner is this gem from BigTex
Agreed Dac. And formerlurker is the runner-up his leg.
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The last election proved that "conservatives" and the tea party are willing to vote for Obama to spite the republican party
Republicans that voted for Obama: 6%
Tea Party that voted for Obama: 11%
Conservatives that voted for Obama: 17%
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-exit-poll
Obama is your shit sandwich now you have to eat it.
I am guessing they are Ronulans/Paulistas.
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I am guessing they are Ronulans/Paulistas.
They sure sound like it.
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And the Dumbshit post of the day goes tooooo.......
Envelope please... the Winner is this gem from BigTex
HI,
What am I missing? If they were Republicans, Tea Party members, or conservatives, they wouldn't vote for Obama. If they voted for Obama they were low information liberals.
The whole point is stupid. The thread is about how the Republican party is trying to destroy the conservative movement. That is fact and also stupid.
regards,
5412
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And the Dumbshit post of the day goes tooooo.......
Envelope please... the Winner is this gem from BigTex
Own it dac, all those sour anti-GOP "conservatives" voted for Obama
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HI,
What am I missing? If they were Republicans, Tea Party members, or conservatives, they wouldn't vote for Obama. If they voted for Obama they were low information liberals.
The whole point is stupid. The thread is about how the Republican party is trying to destroy the conservative movement. That is fact and also stupid.
regards,
5412
Conservatives have destroyed themselves by voting for a liberal to destroy a moderate
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Obama is your shit sandwich now you have to eat it.
I know another nigga named Moses. If you did not vote for Romney, how is that shit sandwich tasting.
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That is not what we want. We have stated what that is and you went out of your way to ignore it.
Were you born an asshole or have you been working on it your whole life?
Oh dear. You truly don't have a blessed clue do you?
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And not suprisingly, none of the Pro-RINOs in this thread have directly answered my question. Why should the Tea Party Conservatives trust the RNC and their candidates after publically declaring war on us?
All that I got was a twisting of my own post into anti-Tea Party BS citing that the Tea Party had declared war on everyone else. Of course, the RINO forgot to mention the 2+prior election cycles where the Conservatives had supported their RINO candidates only to be rejected after the establishment RNC candidates received their votes. These RINOs refuse to see their own double-crossing hypocracy. No wonder they are no different than Democraps.
:whatever:
This is you by the way, same belief system - someone do it for me:
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Oh dear. You truly don't have a blessed clue do you?
We all know that you are the only one that posts here that has a clue.
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Hi,
I'm with you on this one. I'd love to believe all politics are local; however there is tons of money poured into Iowa and the early primaries from outside the state. What that does is cull the field very early due to economics. By that time the hand picked candidates have momentum and the others drop out out due to economics. Then by the time the primary gets to the rest of us we have to choose the lesser of the two republican evils.
My point is all politics used to be local. If it still was, how come there is so much outside money dumped into the early primaries?
What really is frustrating is this. If a conservative tries to hang in there, he is destroyed by the national republican party because the fight for the nomination hurts all the candidates. By the time they get the nomination a lot of money is already gone and damage is done. Unfortunately, or it may turn out to be fortunately, the RINO's have to continue to lose until they finally give up and wake up. By that time there will be so much damage done by the liberals there will be little left to salvage.
regards,
5412
Really - you and those who share the same values as you hold the positions that vote for candidates in the party, and sets the party platform, and you will be so easily influenced by outside factors?
Excuses. Excuses. Excuses. It's all you have.
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We all know that you are the only one that posts here that has a clue.
:bird:
Uh-huh.
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formerlurker,
It is obvious that you are an asshole Paulbot.
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Conservatives have destroyed themselves by voting for a liberal to destroy a moderate
Again, it's like whistling in a graveyard.
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formerlurker,
It is obvious that you are an asshole Paulbot.
Of course I am. You with all those clues.
:afro:
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Own it dac, all those sour anti-GOP "conservatives" voted for Obama
I proudly own my vote. I voted for Virgil Goode the only Conservative that was running in the end.
Now you own the GOP putting up yet another Liberal to run against a Liberal.
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Of course I am. You with all those clues.
:afro:
Hi Cam
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I know another nigga named Moses. If you did not vote for Romney, how is that shit sandwich tasting.
And then the Racist Paulbot shows his true colors
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Hi Cam
I wonder if he brought his boyfriend with him?
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I wonder if he brought his boyfriend with him?
Of Course; can't you tell by the way the 2 are backing each other buttpluging up? Its the racist pedophile Cam his ropesmoking boyfriend.
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Of Course; can't you tell by the way the 2 are backing each other buttpluging up? Its the racist pedophile Cam his ropesmoking boyfriend.
:rotf: :rotf:
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Conservatives have destroyed themselves by voting for a liberal to destroy a moderate
Hi,
That is fiction. I have no idea where you got that information. I am very involved with the Tea Party and also a local Republican Club. We gritted our teeth and voted for Romney because BO is our biggest enemy.
You come off to me as just another person trying to destroy the conservatives for things they did not do.
5412
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Own it dac, all those sour anti-GOP "conservatives" voted for Obama
And you voted for who exactly?
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Hi Cam
Oh for fun, for fun. :-)
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Hi,
That is fiction. I have no idea where you got that information. I am very involved with the Tea Party and also a local Republican Club. We gritted our teeth and voted for Romney because BO is our biggest enemy.
You come off to me as just another person trying to destroy the conservatives for things they did not do.
5412
There are a lot of conservatives who stayed home and did not vote, some of which post here.
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We all know that you are the only one that posts here that has a clue.
:bird:
Right. He/she/it has that same belief system as Romney and his Yankee political brethren. Soft on abortion, flip flop on queer marriage, health care and a me too RINO agenda. No wonder conservatives stayed at home. Many could not stomach his liberalism. If they have to vote for Democrat lite, the same thing will happen in 016.
People like Rove and his rich elite donors despise Palin, Bachman, West and any Tea Party candidate that does not buckle under. These RNC & Romney dimwits made a bad mistake when they cut Palin out of the convention. It looks like they will try to highjack the nomination again.
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Right. He/she/it has that same belief system as Romney and his Yankee political brethren. Soft on abortion, flip flop on queer marriage, health care and a me too RINO agenda. No wonder conservatives stayed at home. Many could not stomach his liberalism. If they have to vote for Democrat lite, the same thing will happen in 016.
People like Rove and his rich elite donors despise Palin, Bachman, West and any Tea Party candidate that does not buckle under. These RNC & Romney dimwits made a bad mistake when they cut Palin out of the convention. It looks like they will try to highjack the nomination again.
Well they do seem "bent" on destroying conservatives at ANY cost.
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1976
Republicans voting for Carter: 11%
Conservatives for voting Carter: 30%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1980
Republicans voting for Carter: 11%
Conservatives voting for Carter: 23%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1984
Republicans voting for Mondale: 7%
Conservatives voting for Mondale: 18%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1988
Republicans voting for Dukakis: 8%
Conservatives voting for Dukakis: 19%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1992
Republicans voting for Clinton: 10%
Conservatives voting for Clinton: 18%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1996
Republicans voting for Clinton: 13%
Conservatives voting for Clinton: 20%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
2000:
Republicans voting for Gore: 8%
Conservatives voting for Gore: 17%
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2004
Republicans voting for Kerry 6%
Conservatives voting for Kerry 16%
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2008
Republicans voting for Obama: 9%
Conservatives voting for Obma: 20%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/presidential/presidential_election.html
"conservatives" ALWAYS vote more liberal than republicans. You wanted liberals you got them, now you have to own it instead of blaming other people.
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Republican is a political party like Democrats. Political party and ideology are not always related. There will be liberal Republican or conservative Democrats. The lower percentage of Republicans voting for a Republican president is that they are more likely to vote due to political party affiliation.
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1976
Republicans voting for Carter: 11%
Conservatives for voting Carter: 30%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1980
Republicans voting for Carter: 11%
Conservatives voting for Carter: 23%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1984
Republicans voting for Mondale: 7%
Conservatives voting for Mondale: 18%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1988
Republicans voting for Dukakis: 8%
Conservatives voting for Dukakis: 19%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1992
Republicans voting for Clinton: 10%
Conservatives voting for Clinton: 18%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
1996
Republicans voting for Clinton: 13%
Conservatives voting for Clinton: 20%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
2000:
Republicans voting for Gore: 8%
Conservatives voting for Gore: 17%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
2004
Republicans voting for Kerry 6%
Conservatives voting for Kerry 16%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
2008
Republicans voting for Obama: 9%
Conservatives voting for Obma: 20%
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/wasp69/Own_it.png)
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/presidential/presidential_election.html
"conservatives" ALWAYS vote more liberal than republicans. You wanted liberals you got them, now you have to own it instead of blaming other people.
Do you have a link to any of this to back up your assertion? Other than a Libtard site like The Roper Center?
And again...who did you vote for this last election?
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Really - you and those who share the same values as you hold the positions that vote for candidates in the party, and sets the party platform, and you will be so easily influenced by outside factors?
Excuses. Excuses. Excuses. It's all you have.
Hi,
What's with the excuses stuff? The local Republican club is a gathering of like minded people who have candidates come and speak and then they produce bulletins for the membership. We try to make our voices heard in the party but have little say so.
How is telling the facts interpreted into making excuses?
The facts are the leadership of the republican party is opposed to conservative candidates.
I just ran some numbers for an article I am writing. Since 1950, there have been exactly two years that our national debt has not grown year over year. Most people think it was under Clinton but it is not correct, it was in 1956 & 1957. That crap has to stop.
Since Obama was elected the debt cieling has been raised 5 times. That crap has to stop. Neither of the two items I mentioned would not happen if their was not some republican support.
The mainstream republicans are protecting their turf just like the libs. So our conservative choices are as follows: 1. Start a third party which is likely to accomplish one thing, continued liberal government at a faster pace. or 2) Get the old line republican leadership to get their head out of their butts and seek out and find good conservative candidates that give the voter a real honest choice.
You are coming off to me as a liberal. If you cannot refute the message, attack the messenger. I'm not buying that at all.
regards,
5412
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"conservatives" ALWAYS vote more liberal than republicans. You wanted liberals you got them, now you have to own it instead of blaming other people.
What a bunch of horsesh!t. Why don't you answer Txradio question?????????????????????
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What a bunch of horsesh!t. Why don't you answer Txradio question?????????????????????
:popcorn:
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Hi,
What's with the excuses stuff? The local Republican club is a gathering of like minded people who have candidates come and speak and then they produce bulletins for the membership. We try to make our voices heard in the party but have little say so.
Stop right there. This is where you are dead wrong. The National party platform is dictated by those who are elected to delegates from the local level. The libertarians know this, and did a run on those elections in an attempt to secure those seats. Why? because they recognize their numbers are too small to win the presidency, or even Congress on their own. The real conservatives, instead of working heard to secure those seats have pretty much just given up.
Of course, what I am trying to get you to understand (and it is taking far too long - and it is what BigTex is clearly pointly out to no avail) is that "real conservatives" are also too small in number to be a party, and secure more than just a handful of seats.
You are therefore NEVER going to get that perfect candidate that represents your belief system in its entirety. The party is comprised of the entire spectrum of beliefs from the middle to the far right. It is those local candidates with the loudest voice that is dictating the platform, and please note - they work damn hard to do so. Damn hard.
How is telling the facts interpreted into making excuses?
They aren't facts. They are excuses. Someone else is always to blame. That someone being individuals who are actually working very hard to have their voice heard.
The facts are the leadership of the republican party is opposed to conservative candidates.
The leadership is elected by local delegates. They represent those who work the hardest to have their voice heard. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
I just ran some numbers for an article I am writing. Since 1950, there have been exactly two years that our national debt has not grown year over year. Most people think it was under Clinton but it is not correct, it was in 1956 & 1957. That crap has to stop.
So get busy.
Since Obama was elected the debt cieling has been raised 5 times. That crap has to stop. Neither of the two items I mentioned would not happen if their was not some republican support.
So get busy.
The mainstream republicans are protecting their turf just like the libs. So our conservative choices are as follows: 1. Start a third party which is likely to accomplish one thing, continued liberal government at a faster pace. or 2) Get the old line republican leadership to get their head out of their butts and seek out and find good conservative candidates that give the voter a real honest choice.
Get busy - but you can't negate what BigTex is telling you. You are small in numbers, you therefore will never fully dictate a pure conservative platform.
You are coming off to me as a liberal. If you cannot refute the message, attack the messenger. I'm not buying that at all.
Nah, that is others are doing here with their sophomoric attacks - which interestingly, since you agree with them you don't call them out on it.
For fun kids.
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Read through this thread the last couple of days.
I am a conservative.
I am registered as a Republican because they, at one time, represented my conservative viewpoints.
However, I will not vote for someone strictly because they have an "R" next to their name. I did that with McCain and I said never again. Romney had a conservative business mind which I viewed as most important in this last election.
But if the Republicans put up candidates in presidential elections that are less than conservative, I just won't vote for anyone for president. I'm certainly not going to vote for a liberal. The only "conservatives" who vote for Democrats are liberals who mistakenly consider themselves to be conservatives.
Now there are those who say that they'll vote for the most conservative, even if that most conservative candidate is really a moderate liberal or a liberal-lite. I'm not going to do that. The accusations that not voting at all is a vote for the more liberal candidate will come from some, but I don't care.
At least where I'm living the local and state Republican candidates are conservative, so I'll place my vote for them. But as a party, if the Republicans aren't going to be conservative, then in national elections they won't get my support. They figure this out, I and many others will come back. Maybe we are too small of a group and they'll ignore us. In the meanwhile, they can wander around in the wilderness trying to figure out why they can't win the WH, when they could have taken that time too get their mind right and to be real conservatives.
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What a bunch of horsesh!t. Why don't you answer Txradio question?????????????????????
Don't waste your time, you're dealing with a "Republican" that thinks it's time to abolish the Electoral College system. I doubt you'll get anything more intelligent than "hur durr" if he ever responds.
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Stop right there. This is where you are dead wrong. The National party platform is dictated by those who are elected to delegates from the local level. The libertarians know this, and did a run on those elections in an attempt to secure those seats. Why? because they recognize their numbers are too small to win the presidency, or even Congress on their own. The real conservatives, instead of working heard to secure those seats have pretty much just given up.
Of course, what I am trying to get you to understand (and it is taking far too long - and it is what BigTex is clearly pointly out to no avail) is that "real conservatives" are also too small in number to be a party, and secure more than just a handful of seats.
You are therefore NEVER going to get that perfect candidate that represents your belief system in its entirety. The party is comprised of the entire spectrum of beliefs from the middle to the far right. It is those local candidates with the loudest voice that is dictating the platform, and please note - they work damn hard to do so. Damn hard.
So much BS; so little time to refute a MA RINO,
First of all, I could care less what northeastern delegates to the convention run on or think. Conservatives are never going to win that state. RINO's just muddy the waters with their vile social policies like abortion, queer marriage, gun control and drug legalization. We have not even gotten to the increase in spending, debt, entitlement and foreign policies that almost mirror Obama to a T.
Secondly, in order to win the Presidency, it take lots of money, good organization and an opposing view on many issues that the Democrats embrace. Romney lost cause he had a me too attitude in the 2 and 3 debates. Plus, many conservatives stayed home cause they did not believe the Romney flip flop transformation.
Thirdly, the elite rich Repubs do not want a candidate who stands for God, Country and a return to morality in private and public. They would rather lose than have someone like Palin become the next President. I do not know what is so hard for dimwit Yankees/RINO's to understand.
I bet you or Big guy would not vote for Palin. However, you expect me to stomach liberal social and economic policies. No thanks. Put up a candidate like McCain or Romney and I will stay home. That shit sandwich left a bad taste in my mouth the last two elections.
Lastly, Rove and the other jerks better not wage war on Tea Party candidated cause their next hand picked candidate for the President will get slaughter worse than Romney.
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Can't believe the haven't learned "democrat lite" hasn't worked so well.
Cindie
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Read through this thread the last couple of days.
I am a conservative.
I am registered as a Republican because they, at one time, represented my conservative viewpoints.
However, I will not vote for someone strictly because they have an "R" next to their name. I did that with McCain and I said never again. Romney had a conservative business mind which I viewed as most important in this last election.
But if the Republicans put up candidates in presidential elections that are less than conservative, I just won't vote for anyone for president. I'm certainly not going to vote for a liberal. The only "conservatives" who vote for Democrats are liberals who mistakenly consider themselves to be conservatives.
Now there are those who say that they'll vote for the most conservative, even if that most conservative candidate is really a moderate liberal or a liberal-lite. I'm not going to do that. The accusations that not voting at all is a vote for the more liberal candidate will come from some, but I don't care.
At least where I'm living the local and state Republican candidates are conservative, so I'll place my vote for them. But as a party, if the Republicans aren't going to be conservative, then in national elections they won't get my support. They figure this out, I and many others will come back. Maybe we are too small of a group and they'll ignore us. In the meanwhile, they can wander around in the wilderness trying to figure out why they can't win the WH, when they could have taken that time too get their mind right and to be real conservatives.
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I'm pretty close to reaching that point as well. I won't vote for someone just cuz they have an (R) behind their name.
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Can't believe the haven't learned "democrat lite" hasn't worked so well.
Cindie
They have under 4 years to figure it out, otherwise the DEMS will win the WH in '16.
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They have under 4 years to figure it out, otherwise the DEMS will win the WH in '16.
I don't think they will ever figure it out. Unless we get a real conservative that will go toe to toe, tit for tat, and get down to the Democrats/media level of dirty politics, it will be the same song. The leadership of the Repub party is just too damn stupid to understand that.
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I don't think they will ever figure it out. Unless we get a real conservative that will go toe to toe, tit for tat, and get down to the Democrats/media level of dirty politics, it will be the same song. The leadership of the Repub party is just too damn stupid to understand that.
I agree. I am usually a laid back and patient person and prefer that general mood because, it just makes life seem better in general--and it keeps the blood pressure down. I have been described as having the patience of Job. However, as I age, the trip limit on my BS meter keeps getting set lower and lower. When someone tosses BS at me and expects to easily accept it, it gets tripped and I let them know what I think of what they have said and even of them.
What the Republican Party and the RNC have been doing wrt REAL Conservatives is pure BS and total stupidity.
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Can't believe the haven't learned "democrat lite" hasn't worked so well.
Cindie
"conservatives" wanted the full monty democrat and you got him
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What a bunch of horsesh!t. Why don't you answer Txradio question?????????????????????
You can't deny the facts, and I voted for Romney obviously.
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You can't deny the facts, and I voted for Romney obviously.
So you're a hypocrite then?
Come in here and criticize us for doing the exact same thing YOU did?
:whatever:
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So you're a hypocrite then?
Come in here and criticize us for doing the exact same thing YOU did?
:whatever:
I'm a hypocrite because I voted for the only conservative with a chance to win?
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I'm a hypocrite because I voted for the only conservative with a chance to win?
:whatever:
Duck dodge and weave all you want to. But you've sat there berating us for supporting the GOP and talking about real Conservatives versus RINO's and then admit you voted for Romney?
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And then on top of it you pull out this phony bullshit poll supposedly showing Conservatives voting for Carter and Obama and your "source" is a website only Liberals would use.
Yeah like I said...hypocrite.
And even though this is painfully obvious to everyone but you...Romney wasn't Conservative.
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"conservatives" wanted the full monty democrat and you got him
This conservative did not want Mitt. So, you speak with forked tongue. People like Rove, Krawhammer, Wills, Coulter, O'Reilly and the Yankees in the northeast did but I do not consider them conservatives. They are Democrat lite, RINO's and big know it all stupid assholes.
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I'm a hypocrite because I voted for the only conservative with a chance to win?
Me-Too Romney a conservative? Bullshit. In important ways, he is indistinguishable from Obama.
I judge a man based on what he has done, not what he says. Romney's track record as governor, 2003-2007:
1. Romneycare
2. "Assault weapon" ban
3. Signed legislation increasing use of taxpayer funds to build low income housing
The election's over. Stop pissing on our heads and telling us it's summer rain.
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NO. The delegates are the ones who VOTE at the local and national level for these candidates. They are NOT bought off by those with deep-pockets (and if they are then I am missing a freaking payment :censored:).
THEY control the process. THEY control who gets the nomination. THEY control the platform.
THEY = YOU.
Of course, the smoking man thinks you have said too much... so listen for those helicopters...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/The_Smoking_Man_(X-Files).jpg)
So YOU are a delegate? Explain to me exactly what a delegate does and how it affects my vote.