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nadinbrzezinski Talk of violent revolution... so four years ago many of us were worried about the bushies (and the memos proved we were not paranoid)... and some of us looked at leaving... others looked at hunkering downWell back then I made the prediction that once the RIGHT WING lost power, they were so close to reaching their goals they'd see only one choice left.Well these days we have the leaders of the movement using the language of violent revolutionThe head of the NRA at CPAC telling us that the lesson the founding fathers learned was that those who got the guns made the rules... nothing farther from the truth... but consider what he said... read this again... the law is made by the force of a gun.Then we have had savage and others talking of the need to go to arms if need be. He's not gonna lead it, but he won't complaint too much if this actually happens... so if and when another McVeigh blows a federal building, as long as it is full of libbies he's fine with it. Now there is freedom of speech, and then there is incitement... small, but critical line... Of course other leaders of the movement have been using this language of revolution and now we have freepers and others talking about patriotic revolt, and organizing cells for the resistance....Don't know about any of you... but I don't any of these people lightly. This is no joke, and it is the language of civil war... the hot kind.Me... well I know that something will soon give, and it will not be pretty. I fear.The logical end to a decade or more of this kind of talk and killing libs condoned by the radio heads... Oh well, I know that in some ways I am whistling past that graveyard, and I also know that if and when that starts, we will be forced to choose sides... after all... if you are not with me... takes on a whole new meaningThat is allAnd yes, I do hope to be very wrong about this... alas my Casandra singing has been on point... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5227391&mesg_id=5227391
Ex Lurker16. A lot of people on message boards are talking about it I tend not to pay much attention to them. It's the ones who aren't saying anything publicly that you have to worry about.
cabluedemResponse to Reply #16 71. Its been dicussed on a forum I visit that is 80% Conservatives. Scary stuff & they blame Obama.
undergroundpanther12. The right wing has "cells" already in every state..They are called "cell churches",a small group of peoplebelonging to christian fundie sects(like assemblies of God or front organizations that are interlinked via "religion") These people are rabidly conservative 'christonazis' and they meet in different locations at member's homes and they curse people,they prayed for the destruction of New Orleans because of mardi gras,they speak very violently about the things they think god wants or hates. All of them have ties to conservatives,some in the government and media and business and the military.They desire to rule every mind heart and body,they want full spectrum domination and control,they plan how to push their agendas in these"cell churches",and to force us to submit.I think they are dangerous and evil and traitorous.I know because I got mixed up in that shit years ago and I will never forget that horrible time in my life..A "cell church" is a small group inside a web of networks leaderless yet led..These networks operate on different levels of publicity and politics with different fronts or religion 'brands' but they all have the same sick ideology and same desire to dominate and own the world and force it to be as they want it to be.And BTW the republican leadership implosion is NOT an accident or a failure..Read this and you will know EXACTLY their plan.(links)
MrSlayer17. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Just as Chimp and his minions did not remain in power and declare martial law, there is not going to be any civil war and there isn't going to be a freeper revolution. There is a tiny minority of people who are overreacting to Obama's election, they are not going to do anything but whine and cry about it. If they tried anything at all in this vein they would be crushed instantly and they know it. It's all fantasy bravado from a bunch of idiots. Being afraid of these people is silly.
nadinbrzezinskiResponse to Reply #17 22. So we imagined the DOJ Yoo memos and you are not familiar with the process that leads to civil wars, by the wayFortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view... I am familiar with the process.. you may even say seen the victims of the processThe language being espoused by the leaders of this movement is dangerousYou may choose to ignore them, in fact, I expect you toSuffice it to say... some of us have also been warning you of the falling economy, and many, perhaps even you, said it was ridiculous as wellBy the way, why they never triggered the legal backing in those memos may lay in the work historians will have to do in the future... but none of us was pleased to see those memos... for they were way too real... yes, we were a dictatorship for seven long years.
MrSlayerResponse to Reply #22 33. No, you didn't imagine them. They didn't act on them because they couldn't. They retracted them because they knew they held no water. They got what they wanted, which was to steal every last penny this nation had and then they left when their time was up.The economic crash was no surprise to me.
nadinbrzezinskiResponse to Reply #33 38. Why couldn't they? that is the question nobody can answerI actually think I have a partial answer, but why?They INTENDED to actAnd for the last seven years the US was a dictablanda, with all elements ready to go into the dictadura...You may want to google the terms by the way
MrSlayerResponse to Reply #38 42. But it would have been so easy for them to do if they really wanted. I don't believe they intended to act on this stuff at all. They only had to do another 9/11 false flag event and the idiot majority would have happily went along with them. They didn't do it because they were happy to just take the money and run. I also think they knew what all the stealing was going to do to the economy and they didn't want to be in power and be expected to fix it when it happened. They cannot govern and they cannot build. All those guys are good at is destruction.
nadinbrzezinskiResponse to Reply #42 44. They intended too, but here is the big thing they didn't have behind them a good percentage of the militaryThere are some stories about thatThe first was.. right after 9.11 intern them aryabasWhy do you think that didn't happen? True story.. midwatches on way too many Navy ships where Chiefs, JOs and even Junior personnel would carry out the meaning of the Constitution.... don't worry Congress didn't get it either when they asked the military in 1973 and they said that they had an oath to the ConstitutionThey cleansed the armed forces forcing many of these people to leave, retireWhen they floated the balloon about not actually holding elections in 2008... a similar thing happened. Heard the story from a young Marine this time around instead of my husband on the first one.We owe the armed forces, that many despise, a huge one. But that is one of the reasons they didn't trigger this. You really don't want to piss off the guys with the guns... at times it is that simple.
MrSlayerResponse to Reply #44 53. Ok so why do you think the military would go for it now? They would have to go along in a civil war else the rebellion would simply be crushed in its infancy as I stated in my first post. What has changed?
nadinbrzezinskiResponse to Reply #53 54. I have yet to say anything about the US FEDERAL military if this broke into civil war I asked you why they didn't trigger the full horrors of dictatorshipOne of my working theories was the military would not go alongBut if a civil war starts, and I mean the real deal... not the fantasies these idiots hold... the military will divide itself.Yep, I enjoy the fantasy that the army will just stay to the side, or not act.They will, and in a full fledged civil war, posse becomes obsolete..At that point I'd have to ask how many officers and units will remain loyal to the federal government, and how many will break awayHere is the difference I have over these folks and those who deny even the possiblyI have seen the face of a civil war. Ain't pretty and never close to the fantasiesI don't want it, I don't relish it, but as a historian there are patterns here, clear patterns... that repeat patterns that OTHER nations have seen before the shootings starts, as well as the US before the first civil warYeah it officially started in 1860... that was the hot phaseThe cold war, started a generation before. The Kansas war could even be correctly seen as part of that cold war, that finally led to a hot war we all know as the civil warChew on that, because our radio jocks, and heads of NRA are using very dangerous language, and language has consequences
MrSlayerResponse to Reply #54 63. Well how will this civil war start if not with military involvement? I know the history of the Civil War and what led up to it but I'm not seeing how it translates here. How would the next civil war start? We are so intermingled with each other I fail to see where the clear lines would be drawn. I don't see the major issue that would spark it. We as a nation aren't anywhere near as divided as we were back then, regardless of what the radio talking heads say. It's just far right wing extremists that are even talking up this sort of thing. The vast majority of the country would never stand for it, including the majority of Rush listeners. I know there are militias and compounds and all that but how would they stage attacks against cities and the like? They could do McVeigh style terror attacks I guess but I cannot see a full scale war being launched. It's just very, very improbable. With that said, I'd love to see a bunch of hillbillies try to invade North Philly or South Central. The JBM and the Crips alone have more and better weapons than any of those redneck militias. Those cats are NOT going back to the plantation and a lot of them have already indiscriminately killed people unlike these keyboard commandos and weekend warriors. Those dudes live in a war zone 24/7.I respect your opinion but I really think you are overreacting here. Just as people were too engrossed with "Who wants to marry a drunken dwarf?" to march on the Bush White House, so too are the people on the other side. They will bitch and moan as we have the past eight years but they aren't going to do anything. That is not to say that we should just sit idle and let them spout their hatred and sedition. Certainly we should draw attention to it and try to shut it down but I'm not worried that my dopey neighbor who listens to Hannity is going to kill my family.What civil war have you seen the face of (which I assume you mean "lived through") that you are so worried? Not being pert, seriously asking.
nadinbrzezinskiResponse to Reply #63 74. First things first, get this out of your head this will not be armies fighting set battlesThat ended a while agoAnd why these hillbilies are more dangerousThe first civil war required standing armies and set battlesThis one will be more like El Salvador, or Nicaragua, or even maybe modern IraqA regular army fighting ghosts, who control the area at night....Set battles is part of that fantasy many hold
Let us not tip our hand before the preconditions for Stage V have fully come about, my comrades in arms.
Is she really putting forth the proposition that the only reason there wasn't a military coup was because JO's on midwatch disobeyed orders to take DDG's into the Gulf of Mexico and start firing Tomahawk's at Galveston? Or that the only reason they held elections in 08 was because armed revolution didn't poll well in the Marine ranks? Does she ever read her own writings and contemplate what a F'ng embarrassment she is to all creatures having more brain cells than a chipmunk?
Good Lord, nadinbrzezinski is as crazy as UGP. How can anyone be that paranoid and delusional and not be locked away? Does it not remember all the daily talk of revolution? Does it not know that dictators don't give up power? Has it not read about the tea parties (well maybe it hasn't since the MSM isn't covering them).Oh, and UGP...the military takes an oat to defend THE CONSTITUTION. If they were kicking out people based on that they'd all have to go home. Since that document is the framework of our republic what the hell else would they defend?I know we can have citizen arrests but we need citizen commitments.Cindie
I'm conderned about her life expectancy, too. How does anyone that stupid manage to keep from walking in front of a train, strolling off a cliff, or trying to cuddle a cute li'l ol' polar bear for as long as she has?
Dude, stop insulting chipmunks.
I meant no disrespect to chipmunks. In fact, I'm inspired to perform an experiment. I'm going to take two typewriters and put them in my front yard. Next to one I'll put a bag of peanuts. Next to the other a bottle of cheap scotch. We'll see who writes a more coherent essay: Will Pitt or the chipmunk.
