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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: BernieSupporter on February 21, 2016, 03:17:20 PM
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Sorry for the repost. But I saw this was a more active area.
Hi there. I am a Bernie supporter and a sophomore in college. I made a bet last week with one of the few Trump supporters in school. The terms:
1) If Bernie won Nevada and Trump won SC, it was a push. Same if both lost.
2) But if one won while the other lost, well...
I lost, obviously.
THE WAGER:
Starting at 9AM tomorrow EST, I will now work for my friend for the next 72 hours. I will be his butler/assistant/servant/etc. until Thursday morning.
We also agreed that the loser would go onto different message boards and the like for suggestions for thing I'll have to do for the next 72 hours. I already know that I'm to have coffee and a breakfast sandwich in hand, and I can expect to do a lot of laundry, scrubbing his bathroom, burn the Bernie sign I have on my door outside somewhere and things like that.
We also agreed that I'd ask for suggestions from places like this. I'm not going to just do chores. He's going to use the next few days to also expose me to "proper" thinking. I have to write a two-page book report on The Art of the Deal. But I know I'm going to have a few more things to read and listen to, also.
So fire away with anything else.
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Is there a link so I can follow this?
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Is there a link so I can follow this?
As in watching me do whatever tasks await me?
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As in watching me do whatever tasks await me?
Yes, to be honest. I want to see the responses to you. Since I'm currently perusing the front page of DU, and am logged in over there, I don't see your OP.
OR, is there no DU OP and you're just posting here?
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Yes, to be honest. I want to see the responses to you. Since I'm currently perusing the front page of DU, and am logged in over there, I don't see your OP.
OR, is there no DU OP and you're just posting here?
No DU post. Just posted here and another conservative forum.
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No DU post. Just posted here and another conservative forum.
ok thanks. I appreciate your honesty. You'll find we're a lot more tolerant of democrats here than DU is of conservatives.
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Hey, cool! Glad you're here, although this particular forum is really only for us to discuss posts on DU. But, as long as you are here, I do have a few questions for an authentic Bernie Bro that I don't have to worry about offending.
So--as a Baby Boomer, I have always been expected to take care of myself and my children. I paid for my own college, was a stay-at-home mom for twenty years, we always paid (a lot) for our health insurance, including during the time my dh was downsized and looking for a job, paid our bills, saved for our retirement, etc., etc.
The biggest Bernie supporter I know has parents who spoiled him rotten. He always had to have whatever he wanted--the best athletic shoes, latest electronic gadgets, etc. Got suspended from high school and missed graduation, and it was all the fault of those darn drug-sniffing dogs who barked at his locker. He managed to spawn, and his parents bought his kid's diapers.
He is now extremely condescending, posting crap from Daily Kos on Facebook, while sneering at "Faux News." His gf is the head philosopher at a Holiday Inn, and is shocked, shocked, I tell you, at the suggestion that if she had majored in accounting or engineering she might actually someday be able to support herself.
All that is a prelude to asking why educated people who supported themselves while making smart decisions owe a bunch of overindulged, whiny little gimme-gimmes our hard-earned $$$$ so you all don't have to choose between paying health insurance and your Netflex account?
Oh, and my suggestion about the loss of your bet is that for a week you wear a Trump t-shirt.
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Hey, cool! Glad you're here, although this particular forum is really only for us to discuss posts on DU. But, as long as you are here, I do have a few questions for an authentic Bernie Bro that I don't have to worry about offending.
So--as a Baby Boomer, I have always been expected to take care of myself and my children. I paid for my own college, was a stay-at-home mom for twenty years, we always paid (a lot) for our health insurance, including during the time my dh was downsized and looking for a job, paid our bills, saved for our retirement, etc., etc.
The biggest Bernie supporter I know has parents who spoiled him rotten. He always had to have whatever he wanted--the best athletic shoes, latest electronic gadgets, etc. Got suspended from high school and missed graduation, and it was all the fault of those darn drug-sniffing dogs who barked at his locker. He managed to spawn, and his parents bought his kid's diapers.
He is now extremely condescending, posting crap from Daily Kos on Facebook, while sneering at "Faux News." His gf is the head philosopher at a Holiday Inn, and is shocked, shocked, I tell you, at the suggestion that if she had majored in accounting or engineering she might actually someday be able to support herself.
All that is a prelude to asking why educated people who supported themselves while making smart decisions owe a bunch of overindulged, whiny little gimme-gimmes our hard-earned $$$$ so you all don't have to choose between paying health insurance and your Netflex account?
Oh, and my suggestion about the loss of your bet is that for a week you wear a Trump t-shirt.
Thank you for this.
My friend I lost the bet to said he will find a shirt my size for me to wear. (It's going to be cold up here this week, so I might have to accessorize with a Making America Great Again hat.)
Also: Even though the bet doesn't technically begin until midnight, I am also not allowed to vocally disagree with any conservative opinions for the week. And, also, I am to agree with any statements made in this discussion, too.
In fact, I am going to tell you that, yes, you are right. A lot of Bernie brats are spoiled rotten and made poor choices. This country was founded on hard work and people want things without having to make sacrifices. Than you for your thoughts on the subject.
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Thank you for this.
My friend I lost the bet to said he will find a shirt my size for me to wear. (It's going to be cold up here this week, so I might have to accessorize with a Making America Great Again hat.)
Also: Even though the bet doesn't technically begin until midnight, I am also not allowed to vocally disagree with any conservative opinions for the week. And, also, I am to agree with any statements made in this discussion, too.
In fact, I am going to tell you that, yes, you are right. A lot of Bernie brats are spoiled rotten and made poor choices. This country was founded on hard work and people want things without having to make sacrifices. Than you for your thoughts on the subject.
I'm H5ing you for the bolded statement. But, I have to wonder why, if you believe the bolded, you still support some who wants to 'redistribute' (maybe he doesn't use that term, but that's the end result) the hard-earned wealth of those who have it, to those who don't and (for the vast majority of cases) won't try to get it.
ETA: The Trump hat is a good start.
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Thank you for this.
My friend I lost the bet to said he will find a shirt my size for me to wear. (It's going to be cold up here this week, so I might have to accessorize with a Making America Great Again hat.)
Also: Even though the bet doesn't technically begin until midnight, I am also not allowed to vocally disagree with any conservative opinions for the week. And, also, I am to agree with any statements made in this discussion, too.
In fact, I am going to tell you that, yes, you are right. A lot of Bernie brats are spoiled rotten and made poor choices. This country was founded on hard work and people want things without having to make sacrifices. Than you for your thoughts on the subject.
Technically, disagreeing on an I-net board isn't "vocally" disagreeing, so I would encourage you to really discuss. I love discussion with those who disagree. Oftentimes, I learn something, and other times articulating my opinions reinforces or clarifies my views to myself.
More questions: You stated that you are in college. What is your major? What do you intend to do with your degree? If you are going into something lucrative--medicine, engineering, some fields of business--how do you feel about paying LOTS in taxes to support people who are avoiding reality for four years while studying medieval lesbian poetry? Did you know that the staggering increase in college tuition over the last 20 or so years is actually a result of too much government money in the form of government grants and subsidized loans? Or that the housing crisis was caused by too much government $$$, via the CRA? Or that the high cost of medical services started with Medicare (government $$$)?
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Hey, I'm on a roll!
Did you know that some of the Scandinavian paradises you want to help Bernie turn us into have middle class tax rates of 40+%? Or that some of them are scaling back their welfare programs? Or that the tax on a new car is 100%? Or that they can afford their goodies because they spend so little on national defense because they know they can count on NATO to save their butts?
On healthcare, do you know that one Canadian official who needed a minimally invasive mitral valve replacement came to the US? Why do you suppose that happened?
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Technically, disagreeing on an I-net board isn't "vocally" disagreeing, so I would encourage you to really discuss. I love discussion with those who disagree. Oftentimes, I learn something, and other times articulating my opinions reinforces or clarifies my views to myself.
More questions: You stated that you are in college. What is your major? What do you intend to do with your degree? If you are going into something lucrative--medicine, engineering, some fields of business--how do you feel about paying LOTS in taxes to support people who are avoiding reality for four years while studying medieval lesbian poetry? Did you know that the staggering increase in college tuition over the last 20 or so years is actually a result of too much government money in the form of government grants and subsidized loans? Or that the housing crisis was caused by too much government $$$, via the CRA? Or that the high cost of medical services started with Medicare (government $$$)?
Good questions. Far too many are looking forward to "free" college to study "sub-saharan, pre-medieval, lesbian architecture" with a minor in "gender/womens studies", then expect to make a fortune with their degree. When that doesn't happen, they get mad at all the money they owe for student loans.
If someone wants a "free" college education, they need to QUALIFY based on grades (skin color notwithstanding), and get a major in any STEM degree.
A meme I've seen on facebook recently says, "So, you want a free college education. Show me what you did with that free high school education".
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Hey, I'm on a roll!
Did you know that some of the Scandinavian paradises you want to help Bernie turn us into have middle class tax rates of 40+%? Or that some of them are scaling back their welfare programs? Or that the tax on a new car is 100%? Or that they can afford their goodies because they spend so little on national defense because they know they can count on NATO to save their butts?
On healthcare, do you know that one Canadian official who needed a minimally invasive mitral valve replacement came to the US? Why do you suppose that happened?
I wouldn't stay up at night waiting for an answer. Methinks that poster won't be posting long. I have my doubts it's a "heartfelt" poster anyway.
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Good questions. Far too many are looking forward to "free" college to study "sub-saharan, pre-medieval, lesbian architecture" with a minor in "gender/womens studies", then expect to make a fortune with their degree. When that doesn't happen, they get mad at all the money they owe for student loans.
If someone wants a "free" college education, they need to QUALIFY based on grades (skin color notwithstanding), and get a major in any STEM degree.
A meme I've seen on facebook recently says, "So, you want a free college education. Show me what you did with that free high school education".
The ones that major in womyn's studies, sociology, etc. all think they have a nice cushy career in academia ahead of them. The truth is that those jobs don't exist anymore. My older son learned that his first semester into a PhD program where grad students and post docs were expected to do all the teaching with little in the way of stipends, nothing in the way of bennies, and zero chance of a tenured position.
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I go to a small, Catholic liberal arts college that also has a business school. Right now, my major is Communication. I don't have a track yet (we select them at the end of this semester) but I initially went to school wanting to be a film/video director who also writes screenplays. I am now starting to realize very quickly that this isn't going to happen. So I am thinking of another avenue.
Thankfully, my school is very generous with giving financial aid. And my parents are helping, too. But I will still have a lot in loans. I know I could have gone to a state school with a cheaper tuition. But there were non-financial reasons why I chose my school (that aren't worth discussing) but in all honesty my parents said it's not much of a difference when you factor in my school's aid policy. But, yes, I have five figures in student loans waiting for me when I graduate.
My friend who I am involved in this wager with is an accounting major and wants to also track in management. We always joke with him about being a "rich" kid because he is. His dad started his own business (not sure what) and my friend plans on working for him after graduation. As part of the bet, I'm going to go to his parents' house at some point this week and his very Republican dad is going to show me how taxes effect his line of work. (And, yes, I'm going to be doing some help around the house. His dad knows about the bet and loved it.)
But to say that it hasn't crossed my mind that I should change my majors as quickly as possible would be a lie. The only thing is that I don't know what I want to change to and, if I do, I might have to tack on another semester or two of school.
And I agree that debating is fun and healthy. But I also have to honor a bet I made, so I won't disagree with anything on here (for now). The worst thing in the world to me is a bet welcher and I would have put my friend through the ringer if I won.
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I go to a small, Catholic liberal arts college that also has a business school. Right now, my major is Communication. I don't have a track yet (we select them at the end of this semester) but I initially went to school wanting to be a film/video director who also writes screenplays. I am now starting to realize very quickly that this isn't going to happen. So I am thinking of another avenue.
Thankfully, my school is very generous with giving financial aid. And my parents are helping, too. But I will still have a lot in loans. I know I could have gone to a state school with a cheaper tuition. But there were non-financial reasons why I chose my school (that aren't worth discussing) but in all honesty my parents said it's not much of a difference when you factor in my school's aid policy. But, yes, I have five figures in student loans waiting for me when I graduate.
My friend who I am involved in this wager with is an accounting major and wants to also track in management. We always joke with him about being a "rich" kid because he is. His dad started his own business (not sure what) and my friend plans on working for him after graduation. As part of the bet, I'm going to go to his parents' house at some point this week and his very Republican dad is going to show me how taxes effect his line of work. (And, yes, I'm going to be doing some help around the house. His dad knows about the bet and loved it.)
But to say that it hasn't crossed my mind that I should change my majors as quickly as possible would be a lie. The only thing is that I don't know what I want to change to and, if I do, I might have to tack on another semester or two of school.
And I agree that debating is fun and healthy. But I also have to honor a bet I made, so I won't disagree with anything on here (for now). The worst thing in the world to me is a bet welcher and I would have put my friend through the ringer if I won.
In all honesty, you sound like someone who could be a good conservative. Changing your major to something of value would be a good idea. In my opinion, far too many people major in stuff that is inconsequential (simply because it's an easy way to a degree), and worth nothing to those who hire, then bitch about owing tens of thousands of dollars for a degree that won't pay them more than 30k (if they're lucky) per year. On top of rent, car payments, student loans, credit cards, etc., it's impossible to get married, buy a house, have the American dream in the suburbs.
Those who look for an easy way are frustrated beyond belief. Those willing to work? The sky is the limit.
My opinion.
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Cool story Bro. Between the Bern and Hitlery, we have the squaring of insanity.
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Thank you for this.
My friend I lost the bet to said he will find a shirt my size for me to wear. (It's going to be cold up here this week, so I might have to accessorize with a Making America Great Again hat.)
Also: Even though the bet doesn't technically begin until midnight, I am also not allowed to vocally disagree with any conservative opinions for the week. And, also, I am to agree with any statements made in this discussion, too.
In fact, I am going to tell you that, yes, you are right. A lot of Bernie brats are spoiled rotten and made poor choices. This country was founded on hard work and people want things without having to make sacrifices. Than you for your thoughts on the subject.
On the chance this is all true,I would ask in light of the part I highlighted...why are you a bernie supporter?
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I go to a small, Catholic liberal arts college that also has a business school. Right now, my major is Communication. I don't have a track yet (we select them at the end of this semester) but I initially went to school wanting to be a film/video director who also writes screenplays. I am now starting to realize very quickly that this isn't going to happen. So I am thinking of another avenue.
Thankfully, my school is very generous with giving financial aid. And my parents are helping, too. But I will still have a lot in loans. I know I could have gone to a state school with a cheaper tuition. But there were non-financial reasons why I chose my school (that aren't worth discussing) but in all honesty my parents said it's not much of a difference when you factor in my school's aid policy. But, yes, I have five figures in student loans waiting for me when I graduate.
My friend who I am involved in this wager with is an accounting major and wants to also track in management. We always joke with him about being a "rich" kid because he is. His dad started his own business (not sure what) and my friend plans on working for him after graduation. As part of the bet, I'm going to go to his parents' house at some point this week and his very Republican dad is going to show me how taxes effect his line of work. (And, yes, I'm going to be doing some help around the house. His dad knows about the bet and loved it.)
But to say that it hasn't crossed my mind that I should change my majors as quickly as possible would be a lie. The only thing is that I don't know what I want to change to and, if I do, I might have to tack on another semester or two of school.
And I agree that debating is fun and healthy. But I also have to honor a bet I made, so I won't disagree with anything on here (for now). The worst thing in the world to me is a bet welcher and I would have put my friend through the ringer if I won.
I really appreciate your honesty and openness in sharing personal details of your life.
Some college majors are "sure things." My d-i-l who got a masters in accounting and her CPA was making close to six figures before her 30th birthday. My own husband is a manufacturing accountant, and also does very well. Their plant starts process engineers between $60,000 and $65,000/year, with mechanical engineers starting higher, electrical at higher than that, and chemical engineers starting much higher.
In fact, I would have no problem paying full costs for anyone going into fields we need more of--doctors, computer science people, accountants, engineers, etc.
My own sons went to a small, private, liberal arts college. The older one passed up full-ride scholarships at several different state universities to do so. He majored in biology, and thought that he would have a career in academia. Found out after starting grad school that tenure track positions are few and far between. After six years of working on his PhD, the program ran out of money. He quit, to try writing. (He had dithered over whether to major in science or English.) He still writes, but is now a full-time dad.
Boy #2 majored in philosophy, also thinking that he would end up in academia. He is now working in a factory, and actually likes his job.
Communications is a good background, but probably won't pay a lot. Can you pick up a business minor, or second major? My d-i-l's major was actually psychology, and her minor was in accounting. Her parents paid for her (very expensive) masters degree, which is what enabled her to get her good job.
You seem like a reasonable open-minded person, and I think you will learn a lot from your friend's Republican father. You may come away with a totally different perspective on life! Good luck!
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I am signing off for the night. I will give some updates as to my daily doings.
Anyone have any other things you'd like to see a Bernie supporter like me have to do under these terms? So far, I only have "wear a Trump shirt/hat." Anything else?
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I go to a small, Catholic liberal arts college that also has a business school. Right now, my major is Communication. I don't have a track yet (we select them at the end of this semester) but I initially went to school wanting to be a film/video director who also writes screenplays. I am now starting to realize very quickly that this isn't going to happen. So I am thinking of another avenue.
Thankfully, my school is very generous with giving financial aid. And my parents are helping, too. But I will still have a lot in loans. I know I could have gone to a state school with a cheaper tuition. But there were non-financial reasons why I chose my school (that aren't worth discussing) but in all honesty my parents said it's not much of a difference when you factor in my school's aid policy. But, yes, I have five figures in student loans waiting for me when I graduate.
My friend who I am involved in this wager with is an accounting major and wants to also track in management. We always joke with him about being a "rich" kid because he is. His dad started his own business (not sure what) and my friend plans on working for him after graduation. As part of the bet, I'm going to go to his parents' house at some point this week and his very Republican dad is going to show me how taxes effect his line of work. (And, yes, I'm going to be doing some help around the house. His dad knows about the bet and loved it.)
But to say that it hasn't crossed my mind that I should change my majors as quickly as possible would be a lie. The only thing is that I don't know what I want to change to and, if I do, I might have to tack on another semester or two of school.
And I agree that debating is fun and healthy. But I also have to honor a bet I made, so I won't disagree with anything on here (for now). The worst thing in the world to me is a bet welcher and I would have put my friend through the ringer if I won.
I can't remember where I heard it--it could have been here, a few months ago--Your academic major should put food on your table and pay your bills. Your academic minor should be what you love to do. If they're the same thing, so much the better.
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My brother went into business for himself last year. With the sheer amount of fees, licenses, taxes, inspections, and regulation involved, it's amazing that anyone manages to start a new business at all. The paperwork alone took three months to complete and you don't get paid for sitting in a government office waiting for some officious bastard to stamp a piece of paper.
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>I go to a small, Catholic liberal arts college that also has a business school.
If you get a chance, can we get a repeatable revival of a human body that was tortured to death? It's an act of science that has not been repeated since.
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How about a writing assignment?
Imagine you have your dream job, making $50,000/year. Do a budget with all the things you need, and all the things you want. Include health insurance premium and 401k. Figure in the taxes at different rates, and see how that changes your discretionary income. Decide what you will be willing to give up for the higher taxes it will take to fund all of Bernie's wish list. Vacation? New car? Savings?
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Here's one. Be generous and help others in need. (That really is a Conservative trait.)
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I can't remember where I heard it--it could have been here, a few months ago--Your academic major should put food on your table and pay your bills. Your academic minor should be what you love to do. If they're the same thing, so much the better.
What BSS said.
My 2 cents... minor in computer science as well as what you love to do. Most organizations I know of are willing to train a person in what they need to know, accounting, personnel, etc. What they are not willing to do is teach basic computer skills. If you got a minor in computer science, that makes you real attractive. Organizations also like the math needed for that minor. Proves you are not an idiot.
Now drop and give me 50 pushups. After every pushup, yell Trump is really good, Bernie is soon to be worm food. :tongue:
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On the chance this is all true,I would ask in light of the part I highlighted...why are you a bernie supporter?
I noticed that that question was dodged completely. I am very curious, myself. Maybe, tomorrow. :whatever:
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Hi there. I am a Bernie supporter and a sophomore in college.
Welcome to CC.
I disagree with Bernie on everything. I will never vote for him.
BUT.
I respect Bernie Sanders a lot. This is a man who does not lie...even if it costs him votes. I can see his appeal when compared to the constant stream of lies from Hillary.
I also think Mr Sanders would be much more difficult to beat than Hillary. You cannot sling mud at an honest man. So I salute you for recognizing one of the last few statesmen in the Senate.
with that said, I cannot believe Bernie could deliver on his promises without a willing congress.
Further I feel cheating By Hillary will make this a one person contest in a few weeks.
*** I just wish Bernie would not be so polite and really attack Hillary.
Good luck with your bet. I learned the hard way not to make bets like that.
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Hopefully at some point Bernie Supporter you will come to realize that there is no way Bernie Sanders can make college free or excuse existing student loans. Nothing is free in this life. Bernie and his buds are simply trying to find someone else to pay the bill. If this were to happen our our entire university system would collapse. Not only that, majors that have little or no marketable value would disappear.
I know that no one on campus wants to hear this or acknowledge that it is where we could be headed. I know, I'm one of those old dudes that you see in your classes from time to time. I started taking classes in community college for a hobby and now I'm 15 credits short of a Biology AS degree. I have no debt on this education because I work full time and take at most 7 credits per semester. All but one of my classes (a 3 credit English class) have been in Math and Sciences. Next year I'm taking Organic Chemistry 1&2. Then one upper level Biology class and college English 2 and I walk with a degree that I will probably never use as I'm two years away from having enough to retire. However I intend to work full time at my present job until I hit 70 or the company shows me the door. And let me mention that I have a BS degree from way back although I haven't asked the CC to transfer credits but some will transfer when I make the request.
I know for certain that even in the less expensive community college setting there are a lot of students that do not belong there. They simply are not functioning at a college level. My college offers 10 classes in basic math (addition and subtraction), 15 classes in pre-algebra and 30 classes in Elementary Algebra (which is basically 1st year of high school algebra). And yet the drop out rate in those classes is about 50% which is pathetic.
Anyway as other have said I appreciate your honesty, really I do. Contrary to what is generally believed, being a conservative on a college campus takes courage on many levels. Being a Christian on campus takes even more courage, especially if you are in a secular or public university. The often heard charge against conservatives that they are anti-science is simply not true. While I don't believe (for example) in evolution as taught by Darwin I certainly understand it and I certainly know at least as much, if not considerably more, than 90% of those who accuse conservatives of being simple minded.
Study hard and master math and sciences. Take the challenging classes. Get through those and you can go anywhere. If you fumble, get up and try again. I look forward to your follow-up posts.
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Bernie supporter... there is a lot of good advice being given here. Most of the people here are successful... successful being defined as they can support themselves, pay the bills, have a decent life.
Now for my 2 cents again. When I was your age, I wanted to be wealthy. Who doesn't? So what I did I asked people that were wealthy what they did to get that way.
The advice was always the same. Do not live beyond your means and save your money. For every 3 raises you get, save the first two. Take the third to maintain your standard of living due to inflation. The reason for this is you are already living on x amount, it is hard to go back to x amount as soon as you are living on y amount. Start investing in index funds as soon as you get your first paycheck. At first it will seem like you are not getting ahead. The first $100,000 saved is the hardest. Once you hit that, things will start to roll. Buy the cheapest transportation possible and drive it until the wheels fall off. Work harder than everyone else. Take the shit jobs nobody else wants and do them to the best of your ability with a smile. Sooner or later your boss will look at you and discover you are pretty much running the place and he/she can't afford to let you go. That is when the money will come.
Do this over 30 years you will be looking at a fairly easy retirement when you get there. It works. I know it does because it worked for me and it can and will work for you.
Just remember, there is no free lunch.
Good luck to you.
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Hey, I'm on a roll!
Did you know that some of the Scandinavian paradises you want to help Bernie turn us into have middle class tax rates of 40+%? Or that some of them are scaling back their welfare programs? Or that the tax on a new car is 100%? Or that they can afford their goodies because they spend so little on national defense because they know they can count on NATO the USA to save their butts?
On healthcare, do you know that one Canadian official who needed a minimally invasive mitral valve replacement came to the US? Why do you suppose that happened?
Important correction for ya, there. NATO couldn't save a grown man with a life vest drowning in a wading pool.
To the OP, once you are off your no-arguing moratorium I would like to FINALLY have an open and honest discussion on what you see in Sanders and his positions. A small sneak peak: Be ready for "who will pay for it" and "how will capital be possible to pay for it."
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What BSS said.
My 2 cents... minor in computer science as well as what you love to do. Most organizations I know of are willing to train a person in what they need to know, accounting, personnel, etc. What they are not willing to do is teach basic computer skills. If you got a minor in computer science, that makes you real attractive. Organizations also like the math needed for that minor. Proves you are not an idiot.
Now drop and give me 50 pushups. After every pushup, yell Trump is really good, Bernie is soon to be worm food. :tongue:
Respectfully disagree, but only in shading. CS is only useful if you want to do programming, design operating systems, work in robotics, AI and other types of fields. Business computing with some knowledge of how computers work is what is being sought in the private sector.
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Welcome to CC.
I disagree with Bernie on everything. I will never vote for him.
BUT.
I respect Bernie Sanders a lot. This is a man who does not lie...even if it costs him votes. I can see his appeal when compared to the constant stream of lies from Hillary.
I also think Mr Sanders would be much more difficult to beat than Hillary. You cannot sling mud at an honest man. So I salute you for recognizing one of the last few statesmen in the Senate.
with that said, I cannot believe Bernie could deliver on his promises without a willing congress.
Further I feel cheating By Hillary will make this a one person contest in a few weeks.
*** I just wish Bernie would not be so polite and really attack Hillary.
Good luck with your bet. I learned the hard way not to make bets like that.
I made a bet with a retired friend, on the outcome of the last election (2012). Lost $100 over that one.
Yes, Bernie is honest--a rare thing among politicians these days. I respect him for that, as well as you do, Mr. Mann . . . But that's about it. Maybe also because Bernie hasn't shown himself to be a slobbering gun-grabber.
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Wanted to give the daily update (as per the terms of my bet.)
I had to have coffee at the ready for my friend at 9 a.m. I also had to meet with him after class another coffee and a bottle of water. I also had to run and grab him a sandwich for lunch. All doing so while wearing a Making America Great Hat he dug up somewhere. All good harmless (but super annoying) fun.
I have a "break" from my duties for my class this afternoon plus some time to do some classwork. After dinner, I will be driving my friend to his parents' house in the suburbs. He said he told his dad about our wager, and his dad had a big laugh. His dad is of the opinion like here that us Bernie supporters are lazy and whiny and I can expect to do some hard work to be taught my lesson. I've got a car to wash and some floors to scrub while my friend and his dad are going to enjoy cigars in the basement. And, naturally, I might have some additional duties as they see fit.
His dad is going to sit down with me after and talk about what it's like starting and owning his own business. My friend saw the suggestion for me to have a writing assignment on here about how increased taxes would affect my wages. His dad is going to talk me through how increased taxes (and Obamacare already) have affected his business and personal income. I will post the results of this conversation either tonight or tomorrow.
I am grinning and bearing it. Walking back on a bet is the worst thing someone can do, IMO. So I'll live with it for the week, as much as I'd rather do anything else than to do some chores at a house in the suburbs on a Monday night. (Wrestling's on. This is where we came up with the idea where the loser had to work for the other person for a set period of time. I'll have to watch it next week.)
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Now drop and give me 50 pushups. After every pushup, yell Trump is really good, Bernie is soon to be worm food. :tongue:
I did 25 push-ups instead and said "Trump For America" alternated with "Bernie Is A Loser" in our dorm lounge that was completely empty. Forgot to add that part.
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I did 25 push-ups instead and said "Trump For America" alternated with "Bernie Is A Loser" in our dorm lounge that was completely empty. Forgot to add that part.
I just gave you another H5. You've got a sense of humor, and that's a rare thing amongst your side. I've got a Bernie supporter in the next cube over from me, and she's quite vociferous in her disdain for HilLIARy. Her sense of humor isn't anywhere near as large as yours, I think.
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I just gave you another H5. You've got a sense of humor, and that's a rare thing amongst your side. I've got a Bernie supporter in the next cube over from me, and she's quite vociferous in her disdain for HilLIARy. Her sense of humor isn't anywhere near as large as yours, I think.
Thank you and I'm still required to ask for any and all similar tasks/chores/etc.
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How about a writing assignment?
Imagine you have your dream job, making $50,000/year. Do a budget with all the things you need, and all the things you want. Include health insurance premium and 401k. Figure in the taxes at different rates, and see how that changes your discretionary income. Decide what you will be willing to give up for the higher taxes it will take to fund all of Bernie's wish list. Vacation? New car? Savings?
Just to break this out, I'm meeting with my friend's dad tonight. He heard about the bet and loves it. So naturally, he's going to put this "spoiled Bernie supporter" to do some chores and labor around his house. But also he's going to sit down with me and talk to me about how Bernie's wish list (along with other taxes already) will affect his business.
I showed my friend your writing assignment idea. He loved it. Expect to have something later tonight for your kind feedback.
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Here's a thought:
Read Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.
Look at the list of federal government departments, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_executive_departments (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_executive_departments)
Determine which departments whose existence would be downright illegal if the constitution were enforced as the supreme law of the land. Please note that it does not include sub-departmental agencies such as BATFE (which ought to be abolished as a Second Amendment violation and then trademarked as a chain of convenience stores) :wink:.
Perhaps you will find that some of them contain, at least, some constitutional function. See if you can suggest merging them with another related department.
I got the list of constitutional, streamlined departments down to five. My challenge to you is to get down to seven or fewer, bonus points (including a note of praise sent to your bet challenger) if you get the same five I did. Huge kudos if you manage to get to four, and tell me how you did it!
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I agree with BSS that you, BernieBro, have a rare sense of humor, and you're also a very good sport. I have to say that your friend negotiates a tough deal, look out for that guy.
My idea for an activity is to read The People's Cube. It's a heck of a lot of fun, yeah, but it also shows the dangers of Communism, which is what Socialism turns into. Bring a shovel and warm clothing!
Thanks for visiting us.
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I'd be interested in knowing what our Bernie supporter's views on the 2nd Amendment are.
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Not sure how many more reading/writing assignment I can tack on by the end of the wager. Have too much schoolwork to do on top of everything else.
However, I was just told to ask what sorta things you'd like a "spoiled Bernie supporter" such as myself to do tonight at my friend's parents' house for me to learn the value of elbow grease and manual hard work. Described to me as a 4-BR, 2.5-bathroom house with an expansive front and back lawn, pool and state-of-the-art mancave. I haven't been to my friend's house before but our mutual friend who has been there described it as sounding like a borderline mansion.
Will check in with an update and my writing assignment (after talking with my friend's dad) later on tonight.
Literally, please suggest all the things you can think of. All in good fun with good humor. This is going to make a good story for everyone so the more detailed the requests for me to carry out the better.
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Not sure how many more reading/writing assignment I can tack on by the end of the wager. Have too much schoolwork to do on top of everything else.
However, I was just told to ask what sorta things you'd like a "spoiled Bernie supporter" such as myself to do tonight at my friend's parents' house for me to learn the value of elbow grease and manual hard work. Described to me as a 4-BR, 2.5-bathroom house with an expansive front and back lawn, pool and state-of-the-art mancave. I haven't been to my friend's house before but our mutual friend who has been there described it as sounding like a borderline mansion.
Will check in with an update and my writing assignment (after talking with my friend's dad) later on tonight.
Literally, please suggest all the things you can think of. All in good fun with good humor. This is going to make a good story for everyone so the more detailed the requests for me to carry out the better.
Don't let your bet sabotage your grades and/or classwork!
I'm trying to figure out how to work in something about my personal avocation, so, here's a two-part math problem for you.
I am the treasurer for a no-kill animal shelter. With current minimum wage at $8.40 (here in Michigan) our six part-time employees, whose duties are pretty much limited to kennel cleaning, have a bi-weekly payroll of about $1400.00. If minimum wage goes up to $15/hour, what would the new bi-weekly payroll total?
That's the easy part.
Here's the hard part: How would their five-person volunteer board of directors raise the funds to meet the increase?
Hardest part: If we could no longer do it, what would happen to the 25--30 dogs and 100 cats who are our residents at any given time? What would happen to future strays?
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Don't let your bet sabotage your grades and/or classwork!
I'm trying to figure out how to work in something about my personal avocation, so, here's a two-part math problem for you.
I am the treasurer for a no-kill animal shelter. With current minimum wage at $8.40 (here in Michigan) our six part-time employees, whose duties are pretty much limited to kennel cleaning, have a bi-weekly payroll of about $1400.00. If minimum wage goes up to $15/hour, what would the new bi-weekly payroll total?
That's the easy part.
Here's the hard part: How would their five-person volunteer board of directors raise the funds to meet the increase?
Hardest part: If we could no longer do it, what would happen to the 25--30 dogs and 100 cats who are our residents at any given time? What would happen to future strays?
It has been a while since I've had to do math (the joys of a liberal arts education). So I think I have the computation right.
$1500 per two weeks equals 233.33 hours the staff works.
Changing that to $15 an hour now means payroll costs $3500.
That is the math part.
The first tricky part: The board would have to ask for more donations? I don't know how all that works.
The hardest part: I really don't want to imagine this.
Won't let this sabotage my grades/classwork. It's a relatively easy week for me. Thankfully I don't have any papers due, and we allowed for flexibility for classes and homework. (My last class just wrapped up and I'm free until 7.)
Since I answered that quickly (and hopefully got the answer right), want to add on to the list of chores and tasks? The more I'm given the more entertaining it is for everyone involved.
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Berniesupporter, I congratulate you on your good humor and honorable response to losing a wager.
I suspect you'll find yourself to be less of a Sanders man at the end of this journey, than at the beginning.
I won't suggest any homework, because I can guarantee you would fall behind on your classwork if you attacked my reading list.
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Not sure how many more reading/writing assignment I can tack on by the end of the wager. Have too much schoolwork to do on top of everything else.
However, I was just told to ask what sorta things you'd like a "spoiled Bernie supporter" such as myself to do tonight at my friend's parents' house for me to learn the value of elbow grease and manual hard work. Described to me as a 4-BR, 2.5-bathroom house with an expansive front and back lawn, pool and state-of-the-art mancave. I haven't been to my friend's house before but our mutual friend who has been there described it as sounding like a borderline mansion.
Will check in with an update and my writing assignment (after talking with my friend's dad) later on tonight.
Literally, please suggest all the things you can think of. All in good fun with good humor. This is going to make a good story for everyone so the more detailed the requests for me to carry out the better.
I do not want you to sacrifice any schoolwork to answer my questions on the 2nd Amendment. I will make that clear now. I just want you to think about the 2nd, and how other supporters of Bernie might be averse to said right.
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It has been a while since I've had to do math (the joys of a liberal arts education). So I think I have the computation right.
$1500 per two weeks equals 233.33 hours the staff works.
Changing that to $15 an hour now means payroll costs $3500.
That is the math part.
The first tricky part: The board would have to ask for more donations? I don't know how all that works.
The hardest part: I really don't want to imagine this.
Won't let this sabotage my grades/classwork. It's a relatively easy week for me. Thankfully I don't have any papers due, and we allowed for flexibility for classes and homework. (My last class just wrapped up and I'm free until 7.)
Since I answered that quickly (and hopefully got the answer right), want to add on to the list of chores and tasks? The more I'm given the more entertaining it is for everyone involved.
Sorry, no. The actual answer is about $1100 more per pay period. That amounts to more than $28,000 per year additionally.
We do occasionally request donations from the community, but usually in an emergency situation, like when we took in 50 huskies three years ago from a neglect situation, or 25 huskies last fall.
Usually we get our funding through fundraisers--golf outings, soup luncheons, etc. We have to put on a heck of a lot of those in order to keep on going! We charge adoption fees, but those don't come close to covering the spay/neuter, vaccinations, etc. that all of our animals get before we let them leave.
I seriously don't know how we could possibly raise that much more every year. And, I also don't want to think about what would happen to our animals.
All this is by way of saying that there will be a downside to all of Sanders' proposals, things that a lot of people might not be aware of.
I think you have enough on your plate, without adding more tasks! I'm glad you are seeing this as a fun thing, and hopefully a learning experience as well!
Looking forward to hearing about the end result!!
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Still dodging policy questions.
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Bernie Supporter, welcome. You're a brave soul. I've got an easy one for you: what classes are you taking? What does the curriculum of a college sophomore look like these days?
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Still dodging policy questions.
Let's cut him some slack. Part of the bet was that he couldn't disagree with anyone here for the 72 hours.
I hope he sticks around after the bet is over, so that we can find out more about his opinions.
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Bernie Supporter, welcome. You're a brave soul. I've got an easy one for you: what classes are you taking? What does the curriculum of a college sophomore look like these days?
Last thing before I go. Also, I go to a liberal arts/Catholic school, so my classes are a bit different than somebody at a biggest state school. We have a lot of pre-requisites before we can get into specific majors. We do have a business school but we don't have to take any of those.
My school really doesn't have any ridiculous majors. It's too small. I think we have American Studies, but that's like a history degree with some more literature requirements.
I have five classes. My major is Communication so we have some pre-reqs there before we get to our focus.
INTRO TO EUROPEAN HISTORY (Have a few history requirements)
RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD (We have a religion requirement)
INTRO TO COMPUTER SCIENCE (We have a math/comp sci requirement)
BASICS OF JOURNALISM (Part of my communication pre-reqs)
COMMUNICATION THEORY AND HUMAN RHETORIC (Another comm pre-req)
After this, the amount of pre-reqs in history/literature/religion/philosophy/etc. narrows down and the ability to take majors and minors increases. And your pre-req liberal arts courses are part of the minor requirement.
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Wanted to give the daily update (as per the terms of my bet.)
I had to have coffee at the ready for my friend at 9 a.m. I also had to meet with him after class another coffee and a bottle of water. I also had to run and grab him a sandwich for lunch. All doing so while wearing a Making America Great Hat he dug up somewhere. All good harmless (but super annoying) fun.
I have a "break" from my duties for my class this afternoon plus some time to do some classwork. After dinner, I will be driving my friend to his parents' house in the suburbs. He said he told his dad about our wager, and his dad had a big laugh. His dad is of the opinion like here that us Bernie supporters are lazy and whiny and I can expect to do some hard work to be taught my lesson. I've got a car to wash and some floors to scrub while my friend and his dad are going to enjoy cigars in the basement. And, naturally, I might have some additional duties as they see fit.
His dad is going to sit down with me after and talk about what it's like starting and owning his own business. My friend saw the suggestion for me to have a writing assignment on here about how increased taxes would affect my wages. His dad is going to talk me through how increased taxes (and Obamacare already) have affected his business and personal income. I will post the results of this conversation either tonight or tomorrow.
I am grinning and bearing it. Walking back on a bet is the worst thing someone can do, IMO. So I'll live with it for the week, as much as I'd rather do anything else than to do some chores at a house in the suburbs on a Monday night. (Wrestling's on. This is where we came up with the idea where the loser had to work for the other person for a set period of time. I'll have to watch it next week.)
Ok Berniesupporter. I have a question for you. Honesty is required (taking into account this is an anonymous message board and some are less forthcoming than others).
Are you currently, or have you ever been, a member of DemocraticUnderground.com? You needn't give your screen name if you are, or were. Just a yes or no.
Second, how did you decide to post on THIS website when there are hundreds more out there?
I'm curious.
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Last thing before I go. Also, I go to a liberal arts/Catholic school, so my classes are a bit different than somebody at a biggest state school. We have a lot of pre-requisites before we can get into specific majors. We do have a business school but we don't have to take any of those.
My school really doesn't have any ridiculous majors. It's too small. I think we have American Studies, but that's like a history degree with some more literature requirements.
I have five classes. My major is Communication so we have some pre-reqs there before we get to our focus.
INTRO TO EUROPEAN HISTORY (Have a few history requirements)
RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD (We have a religion requirement)
INTRO TO COMPUTER SCIENCE (We have a math/comp sci requirement)
BASICS OF JOURNALISM (Part of my communication pre-reqs)
COMMUNICATION THEORY AND HUMAN RHETORIC (Another comm pre-req)
After this, the amount of pre-reqs in history/literature/religion/philosophy/etc. narrows down and the ability to take majors and minors increases. And your pre-req liberal arts courses are part of the minor requirement.
I can help you with that:
INTRO TO EUROPEAN HISTORY
* French=great food, sexy language, run away from battle (except the Resistance)
* Germans=terrible food, scary language, run to the battle
* Italians=spicy food, confusing language, bet on the battle
* Irish=potatoes as food, musical language, drunk in battle
* English=worse food, unfathomable language, march in straight lines in battle
* Swedish/Norwegians/Scandinavians=sex
RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD
* Judiasim=Guilt, Can get that for wholesale
* Christianity=Jesus is coming, everyone look busy
* Catholicism=Christianity+Guilt
* islam=I KEEL YOU!
* Buddism=Hamburger drive-thru (one with everything)
INTRO TO COMPUTER SCIENCE
* There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who can read binary and those who cannot
* Computers have the ability to make many many mistakes very quickly.
BASICS OF JOURNALISM
* I imply, you infer
* Always run with the herd
* Fact-checking is for chumps
COMMUNICATION THEORY AND HUMAN RHETORIC
* Sign up for Conservative Cave - all else is rumor
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Just to break this out, I'm meeting with my friend's dad tonight. He heard about the bet and loves it. So naturally, he's going to put this "spoiled Bernie supporter" to do some chores and labor around his house. But also he's going to sit down with me and talk to me about how Bernie's wish list (along with other taxes already) will affect his business.
I showed my friend your writing assignment idea. He loved it. Expect to have something later tonight for your kind feedback.
You want a REAL assignment?
Post why the 17th Amendment was the beginning of the end of the true nature of the USA (or if not, why not) and how it started us on a downhill roll we will probably never recover from (or if not, why not).
I mean it -- this one will take some deep research, analysis and thinking.
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I can help you with that:
INTRO TO EUROPEAN HISTORY
* French=great food, sexy language, run away from battle (except the Resistance)
* Germans=terrible food, scary language, run to the battle
* Italians=spicy food, confusing language, bet on the battle
* Irish=potatoes as food, musical language, drunk in battle
* English=worse food, unfathomable language, march in straight lines in battle
* Swedish/Norwegians/Scandinavians=sex
RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD
* Judiasim=Guilt, Can get that for wholesale
* Christianity=Jesus is coming, everyone look busy
* Catholicism=Christianity+Guilt
* islam=I KEEL YOU!
* Buddism=Hamburger drive-thru (one with everything)
INTRO TO COMPUTER SCIENCE
* There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who can read binary and those who cannot
* Computers have the ability to make many many mistakes very quickly.
BASICS OF JOURNALISM
* I imply, you infer
* Always run with the herd
* Fact-checking is for chumps
COMMUNICATION THEORY AND HUMAN RHETORIC
* Sign up for Conservative Cave - all else is rumor
I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. H5 earned and issued.
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INTRO TO EUROPEAN HISTORY
* French= We were great once! great food, sexy language, run away from battle (except the Resistance)
* Germans= We were great once! terrible food, scary language, run to the battle
* Italians= We were great once! spicy food, confusing language, bet on the battle
* Irish= **** you, Ya Bastard! potatoes as food, musical language, drunk in battle
* English= We were great once! worse food, unfathomable language, march in straight lines in battle
* Swedish/Norwegians/Scandinavians= We bring the battle to you on our summer vacation! and there's sex
There... fixed it for you.
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Not sure how many more reading/writing assignment I can tack on by the end of the wager. Have too much schoolwork to do on top of everything else.
However, I was just told to ask what sorta things you'd like a "spoiled Bernie supporter" such as myself to do tonight at my friend's parents' house for me to learn the value of elbow grease and manual hard work. Described to me as a 4-BR, 2.5-bathroom house with an expansive front and back lawn, pool and state-of-the-art mancave. I haven't been to my friend's house before but our mutual friend who has been there described it as sounding like a borderline mansion.
Will check in with an update and my writing assignment (after talking with my friend's dad) later on tonight.
Literally, please suggest all the things you can think of. All in good fun with good humor. This is going to make a good story for everyone so the more detailed the requests for me to carry out the better.
You have reminded me of something in my past. I mentioned in my previous post that I'm that I'm taking college classes basically for personal enrichment and will get as AS degree sometime soon debt free. I also mentioned that I have a BS degree from way back. When I got that degree, Jimmy Carter has just left the WH and the country was in deep recession.
For about the first two years, with degree in hand, I worked 2 part time jobs just to pay my car and student loan payment. One of those part time jobs was in a department store starting at minimum wage. It did not seem right that a college graduate should have to stoop that low but I did and within six months the department store offered me a full time position as department manager. Then 8 months later assistant store manager. I declined that position to take the job that I have still to this day which I love.
The point being that My job came about from my hard work in a department store. I really hated working there and felt above it all but I did the best I could and through connections in that store got my present job.
Those Bernie Sanders making the claim that tuition should be free and that student loans forgiven is, if you really think about it, pandering for votes. If it were to happen it will not be free.
Another point I want to make is that progressives, those we fool with on this forum, thank that we are headed for a revolution. I agree. We are headed for a revolution but those who revolt will not be the progressives. No, those who revolt will be the taxpayers, those who are paying for all the promises that liberals are making. Think long and hard before dismissing this, the revolt of taxpayers will be a combination of all stripes, the only connection being that they are tax payers and they are getting sick and tired of the crap.
OK take care
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I did 25 push-ups instead and said "Trump For America" alternated with "Bernie Is A Loser" in our dorm lounge that was completely empty. Forgot to add that part.
H5 for ya! I'll say one thing... you got a good sense of humor.
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Respectfully disagree, but only in shading. CS is only useful if you want to do programming, design operating systems, work in robotics, AI and other types of fields. Business computing with some knowledge of how computers work is what is being sought in the private sector.
I understand where you are coming from... but the key here is the math and logic classes. We are not talking major here... we are talking a minor. As far as I am concerned business computing is a translation for I can navigate excel and word. CS doesn't just teach programming, it teaches logic. The math backs it up. Or it used to.
My minor was CS, major was business. I had to take calc and all that. Learned how to design algorithms. Now days in programming you got an object module that does say a bubble sort or a binary search. I actually learned how to do it. That will serve you well no matter what you are doing.
Keep in mind I went to school back in the early 80's. Dunno what they are teaching now. I do know the idiots coming out of school today can't find their ass with directions, a map, and a butt sniffing dog. :cheersmate:
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I just got back from my evening's event at my friends' parent's house. I will break this into two parts. The first will describe the tasks and chores I performed tonight. The second is in response to Mary Ann's request for me to write an essay about how Bernie's tax plan could effect my personal income. My friend's Republican father went over this with me from his own business. I also will include his thoughts on some of Bernie's proposals (and government in general) as part of my assignment. I took notes.
MY NIGHT:
1) First, I drove my friend (like a chaufer -- holding the back door open for him and replacing my "Make America Great Again" hat with a jeff cap) to his house in the suburbs about 30 minutes from our campus.
2) I met his dad. His dad had a big laugh at the "pinko Bernie kid" coming into the house. He told me that he was going to treat me like a new entry-level employee at his business. And he said that he was very old-school, and that new employees called him "Mr. XXX" and only people of a certain level called him by his first name. So I had to refer to him as that throughout the night. (Thankfully, I only have to call my friend by his first name.)
3) First task was to go to Panera for their dinner order. (I had my dinner before hand.) When I returned, my friend and his dad also decided they wanted a Diet Coke and Coke, so after I dropped off their dinner I had to run to a convenience store. I knew this move was coming. Sigh.
4) They ate their dinner. As I was doing so, I had to wash the wheels and hubcaps of my friend's car and his dad's Escalade. Then I had to clean the wipe down the interior of the Escalade.
5) One done with that, my friend and his dad went into his basement/mancave where they watched basketball. I had to bring my friend a beer. And I had to bring my friend's dad his cigar and Scotch.
6) I had to scrub clean all three bathrooms -- tubs, sink, toilets. Then I also had to clean the grout between the floor tiles with a toothbrush.
7) I was called down to get another beer, fluff the pillow, and refill my friend's dad's drink.
8) I then cleaned the windows/polished the doorknobs/dusted some of the furniture in the upstairs of the house.
9) Another refill of drinks and adjusted the TV volume accordingly. And I had to dispose of the remains of the cigar and polish the ashtray.
10) Then I had to wipe down and clean the kitchen.
11) My friend went to his bedroom to do some reading. His dad told me to go to his study/home office and get some files. And that brings me to the second part (coming soon).
Just wanted/was told to post this first part so everyone could have a laugh and also live up to the terms of my bet.
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Ok Berniesupporter. I have a question for you. Honesty is required (taking into account this is an anonymous message board and some are less forthcoming than others).
Are you currently, or have you ever been, a member of DemocraticUnderground.com? You needn't give your screen name if you are, or were. Just a yes or no.
Second, how did you decide to post on THIS website when there are hundreds more out there?
I'm curious.
I have never been a member of Democratic Underground dot com. I didn't even know what that was until someone on here told me this thread was in response to Democratic Underground.
My friend and I googled "conservative message boards" and knew something would have had to come up. This was I think third on the list. I posted something about this on another message board and the responses have been pretty boring. You're all a lot more welcoming/friendlier/have better sense of humor.
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My friend and I googled "conservative message boards" and knew something would have had to come up. This was I think third on the list.
Hey, we're moving up in the world. Last time I checked, we were #5. :cheersmate:
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I can help you with that:
INTRO TO EUROPEAN HISTORY
* French=great food, sexy language, run away from battle (except the Resistance)
* Germans=terrible food, scary language, run to the battle
* Italians=spicy food, confusing language, bet on the battle
* Irish=potatoes as food, musical language, drunk in battle
* English=worse food, unfathomable language, march in straight lines in battle
* Swedish/Norwegians/Scandinavians=sex
RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD
* Judiasim=Guilt, Can get that for wholesale
* Christianity=Jesus is coming, everyone look busy
* Catholicism=Christianity+Guilt
* islam=I KEEL YOU!
* Buddism=Hamburger drive-thru (one with everything)
INTRO TO COMPUTER SCIENCE
* There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who can read binary and those who cannot
* Computers have the ability to make many many mistakes very quickly.
BASICS OF JOURNALISM
* I imply, you infer
* Always run with the herd
* Fact-checking is for chumps
COMMUNICATION THEORY AND HUMAN RHETORIC
* Sign up for Conservative Cave - all else is rumor
Well done. High five!
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WHAT I LEARNED FROM MY FRIEND'S FATHER
Mr. Smith owns a food processing equipment manufacturer. His company makes specialty products used by restaurants and regional grocery stores. (I can't get into more detail than that.) He started working for the company when he was still in college (he paid for his tuition). It was a really small company at the time and he knew the owners. He worked his way up the management ladder and was careful to save money. He also worked on the weekends at a grocery store to save up some more money. The owners had some sort of family emergency and had to sell the company. He scrounged up the money with some other partners and bought them out. He became a co-president.
He also said that he didn't care about social issues too much. (I'll leave out the curse words.) He said the only thing he really cared about was how the government affected his money. He told me to write this down: "People can vote for whatever f--- reason they want. But my checkbook is a lot more important to me than The Constitution." And he said while he agreed more with conservatives on social issues, all of that was just "noise in the background" to him compared to anything involving his bank account.
While co-president, he managed to reconfigure some of their existing machinery to the point where he was able to obtain a patent. He also did this for two other machines the company had, too. He had a bitter falling out with his co-president (who he said was lazy) and ended up forcing him out and bought up his shares. He eventually bought out the other partners, too, and is now the sole owner.
The company currently has one facility in an industrial park. He has about 200 employees. The company assembles the machinery they make on site. He also has his sales and administrative offices there, too.
He might sell the company in 10 years. He's had offers from bigger competitors to do so, but he wants to wait for his son (my friend) to get some experience first. Then, he might keep it in the family tree or sell it. I didn't ask what he could sell it for, but he volunteered and said it could be somewhere between $8 and $12 million.
This blew my mind. He told me a little bit about how his income is set up -- draw accounts and the like, but that was a little over my head and not that interesting. But he's a straight-up millionaire and my friend has a very lucky life. Their house is really nice (a lot bigger than mine) and obviously they have some expensive stuff. But it's not some giant mansion. He said he bought the house cheap and paid off his debt to it as quickly as he could.
He then talked me through some of his Bernie points:
1) He said that most of his employees, even entry level ones, are fairly skilled and start off above $15/hour. But they sometimes might need temporary help, and some of those employees make minimum wage or below $15/hour. He said there was no way he could justify paying someone $15/hour "to shuffle some papers around if one of the secretaries takes off" or for someone to sweep up the floors.
He then said the worst part about a $15/hr minimum wage was that it keeps people from getting their first jobs. And this keeps people from getting experience. And, also, people make higher wages as work longer. He also said that he was going to put it bluntly, but a lot of people "stuck" working minimum wage jobs really don't have much of a choice of what they make anyways. A lot don't speak English, have criminal histories or related problems, or are just flat-out not capable of having any form of meaningful employment. He has a friend who owns a few Burger King franchises and it's apparently a big problem just to get people to do things like calling into the manager when they're out sick. He said that, unless there wasn't a rule in place, a lot of minimum wage workers would make way less than what they make now.
And he said that at $15/hour, no one in their right mind would keep staffing levels where they're at now. And every actual restaurant he said would also run into a lot of problems, too.
2) He said that he's in the highest tax bracket right now (no crap). He said that being in the highest bracket was $400,000 and he paid about 40% of his income in taxes already. (I had no idea.) He said his income tax would go up under Bernie's plan by a few percentage points, depending on how his business did and how his accountant handled things.
He then talked to me about his cigars. He said he knew something like that was a big luxury, along with his Escalade. And golf club membership. But he said he enjoys nice things, and sees nothing wrong with it. Cutting into his income means less of those. And he said in theory that sounds fine. But he told me that someone owns the cigar shop and the guy who works at the car dealership works on a commission. He told me to quote him on this: "No matter what anyone says, rich people buy things. And those things give people jobs."
He then said that raising taxes or whatever so people could go to college for free sounded fine, but then there wouldn't really be any incentive for kids to do well. There's no point in trying to get scholarships or the like if you're just going to go to college on another person's dime.
3) He said health care was way too complex to get into. His company actually pays another company to deal with health care because he couldn't make sense of it. And he said that while free health care sounded good on paper, that our country had 300 million people and there's no way nationalized health care would ever, ever work. And he said what his business pays for health care costs has gone up under Obamacare and he had to lay people off. But he said it wasn't just the health care costs, it was more the complex things associated with it now that whatever department handles that sort of stuff does became overwhelmed by it. So money he could have used to pay salaries or invest in his company is now going to some other company. And he said the single worst part about owning a business was health insurance, because he spent more time worrying about health care for his employees than he did actually running his company.
4) He also said his company has to waste all this other time because of other insurance problems. Like everyone has to do a mandatory once-a-year sexual harassment workshop. He said the easiest way to prevent stuff like that from happening is for him to scare everyone at the office in to not talking unless it was work related. (And, yes, he is that scary. Big dude)
5) And he also talked to me about Wall Street. He said he lost a decent amount in The Great Recession, but was smart enough to move a lot of his investments into safer things. But he said his business really suffered because of the recession. He thinks the Wall Street bankers got off really easy, and they straight up ripped people off. But he said he didn't have a lot of sympathy for people getting mortgages "who couldn't even spell the word." And he said the government was even more at fault with their different programs. He said the only people he really felt bad for in the whole thing were people who rented and all of sudden they got shut off because their landord messed up.
But he said adding on dividends taxes was a bad mistake. He said all that would do as take more of his money away. He said he puts in the time to find good companies to research and buys into them, particularly if they generate dividends. All that tax, he aid, would mean he'd have to stop investing if it wasn't worth it. Because spending money to invest is how companies grow.
I will post more tomorrow about what i learned.
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IN SUM, what I learned was simple:
We already have in place economic and tax plan that impede business growth.Just further extending those policies further will hurt businesses like the one my friend's dad owns. Maybe Bernie's other ideas regarding tax plans aren't as good as they initially sounded like.
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IN SUM, what I learned was simple:
We already have in place economic and tax plan that impede business growth.Just further extending those policies further will hurt businesses like the one my friend's dad owns. Maybe Bernie's other ideas regarding tax plans aren't as good as they initially sounded like.
In the UK, your television is taxed every year to fund the BBC (PBS) based on how "nice" it is. Black and white televisions are taxed at a few pounds a year while old CRT/low-def sets are assessed at a slightly higher rate. Affluent Brits pay an even higher tax rate for HDTV televisions. Regardless of the rate you pay, the programming you receive is still the same.
You may change your opinion about Bernie's ideas but you will still be paying for them.
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In the UK, your television is taxed every year to fund the BBC (PBS) based on how "nice" it is. Black and white televisions are taxed at a few pounds a year while old CRT/low-def sets are assessed at a slightly higher rate. Affluent Brits pay an even higher tax rate for HDTV televisions. Regardless of the rate you pay, the programming you receive is still the same.
That just floored me, the first time I heard about it.
You may change your opinion about Bernie's ideas but you will still be paying for them.
....and your children's children's children; when they're scrounging leaves for toilet paper.
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IN SUM, what I learned was simple:
We already have in place economic and tax plan that impede business growth.Just further extending those policies further will hurt businesses like the one my friend's dad owns. Maybe Bernie's other ideas regarding tax plans aren't as good as they initially sounded like.
So, then, in the words of my favorite philosophizer, who is also a hardcore lefty (Springsteen), you are "Just around the corner to the Light of Day." :-) :whistling:
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That just floored me, the first time I heard about it.
....and your children's children's children; when they're scrounging leaves for toilet paper.
Those are the People's leaves, and private use of the People's property is forbidden!
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<--------still skeptical.
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Busy day here class-wise. But, as per my duties in obligating the bet, just asking once again if anyone has any tasks/chores they'd like to see me perform at the behest of my friend. I can't take on any reading assignments or do any writing assignments that would take a lot of research. But still here to honor the terms of my debt.
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How about a question for ya. How do you feel about being a student in college? Do you feel fortunate to be there or are you just kind of going through the motions?
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How about a question for ya. How do you feel about being a student in college? Do you feel fortunate to be there or are you just kind of going through the motions?
I like it a lot but, yeah, I go through the motions a bit, too.
I go to a small Catholic school in a big city. Our school is on the outskirts. We have like 6,000 kids here, and a decent amount are commuters. I think probably 80% of the kids also grew up within an hour of here, so a fair amount head home on weekends. (I'm not from the area.) But there's always something to do. Being in a city helps because I can just take the subway or bus downtown or hitch a ride with one of my friends if we feel like hanging out for a while. I'm only 20 so I'm technically not supposed to drink yet but shhhhhh.
I really think there's a big gap between what a lot of people think college is like these days. The only time I've heard of the phrase "safe space" was when someone wrote about it for the school newspaper. (I work on the paper a little bit.) That was it. It has never come up. We've never had any protests here. All of that stuff happens at the big state schools or super expensive schools where kids have too much time on their hands. And since it's a Catholic school, we actually have a pro-life club that puts up anti-abortion posters places.
My school doesn't even have TAs. It's sorta like high school in that way. Most of my classes have like 20 kids in them. I've had a few with 10. The biggest class I had was 40, and that was for a mandatory science class. My friends who go to big state schools have classes with like 300 kids or whatever and barely even see their professors.
I even have had professors who are priests. And a bunch of old-school professors who went here as undergraduates. I've had three classes where, before every meeting, we had a prayer or moment-of-silence before class. No one really cares. I know a few more outspoken liberal type of kids and they don't even really care. That's mostly because so many kids here went to Catholic school and came up with that, I think. But it's just sorta apathetic here. The most political it gets are with Bernie signs on doors (he'd win a mock election by a landslide). Like I can't even begin to tell you how popular he is with everyone.
It's impossible to flunk out. I don't know how anyone can flunk out of college. All you have to do is just go to class like 90% of the time and hand in your work when it's due and you'll get a C. If you put in the work and do a good job you get better grades. If you really bust your ass then you can get really good grades. I have some professors who are crazy hard. I have a few who don't know what they're doing and are all over the map. We have a few classes that are easy A's. We have a few classes no one wants to take because the workload is nuts compared to the usual class. Or they're math-based. It's just like high school in that way. And you can mess with your schedule to get a day off if you want, even if you take five classes a semester.
The only kids who do poorly or flunk out are kids who just party all the time. I mean, everyone goes to parties. (I made this dumb bet hammered.) But you just can't drink too much on weekday nights.
But it's fun. It's really what you make of it.
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Busy day here class-wise. But, as per my duties in obligating the bet, just asking once again if anyone has any tasks/chores they'd like to see me perform at the behest of my friend. I can't take on any reading assignments or do any writing assignments that would take a lot of research. But still here to honor the terms of my debt.
If you have never done so, go to your local gun range, rent a gun (doesn't matter what type but extra points for an 'assault weapon') and shoot it. I want more left leaning people to learn that guns are not evil.
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IN SUM, what I learned was simple:
We already have in place economic and tax plan that impede business growth.Just further extending those policies further will hurt businesses like the one my friend's dad owns. Maybe Bernie's other ideas regarding tax plans aren't as good as they initially sounded like.
I also just want to bring up another thing I didn't include last night.
At one point, I asked my friend's dad what he felt about the "common good." He laughed and called my a typical bleeding heart. And he said he gives a lot of money to a few different charities. And that the guy who gives money to the charity is more important than the person who runs the charity. Because, without money, homeless shelters and pet shelters and etc. can't exist. He said charity work was admirable but he also felt like he did more for the common good just by taking the risk to buy a company and expand it. And, he said, he also said he had only so much time on the planet, he made himself successful, and he intended to relish every second of his hard work, and would never make any apologies about being a member of a golf club or owning a boat or enjoying a cigar.
He also said he hated a lot of public education. He pointed out how many hundreds of millions goes into the city public schools here, and how almost all of the public schools are terrible, ergo the money isn't being spent right any all anyone does is whine about the state-level republicans and our old governor. But he said he hated knowing his state taxes were going to pay to essentially put kids in a warehouse for a few hours a day. And he said that any teacher who was any good pretty much looked to teach in the suburbs or a private school, and there were reasons for that -- any smart teacher didn't want to put up with b.s. And he said it stunk because it limited the amount of job candidates he had to choose from.
But he said that he stopped thinking he could change the world a really long time ago, and that he was best equipped to own a company that made food processing equipment. And as boring as that sounds, he was perfectly fine knowing he was going to retire as a millionaire, and all that Bernie would do was prevent more people from being able to have the kind of life he did.
I really can't fault him for saying or thinking any of that. There are a few public city schools right by my college and there are always cops headed there to break up fights. And, yeah, he also really did employ a lot of people and give a bunch of his money to good causes. And that being self-centered really wasn't that bad of a thing.
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I also just want to bring up another thing I didn't include last night.
At one point, I asked my friend's dad what he felt about the "common good." He laughed and called my a typical bleeding heart. And he said he gives a lot of money to a few different charities. And that the guy who gives money to the charity is more important than the person who runs the charity. Because, without money, homeless shelters and pet shelters and etc. can't exist. He said charity work was admirable but he also felt like he did more for the common good just by taking the risk to buy a company and expand it. And, he said, he also said he had only so much time on the planet, he made himself successful, and he intended to relish every second of his hard work, and would never make any apologies about being a member of a golf club or owning a boat or enjoying a cigar.
He also said he hated a lot of public education. He pointed out how many hundreds of millions goes into the city public schools here, and how almost all of the public schools are terrible, ergo the money isn't being spent right any all anyone does is whine about the state-level republicans and our old governor. But he said he hated knowing his state taxes were going to pay to essentially put kids in a warehouse for a few hours a day. And he said that any teacher who was any good pretty much looked to teach in the suburbs or a private school, and there were reasons for that -- any smart teacher didn't want to put up with b.s. And he said it stunk because it limited the amount of job candidates he had to choose from.
But he said that he stopped thinking he could change the world a really long time ago, and that he was best equipped to own a company that made food processing equipment. And as boring as that sounds, he was perfectly fine knowing he was going to retire as a millionaire, and all that Bernie would do was prevent more people from being able to have the kind of life he did.
I really can't fault him for saying or thinking any of that. There are a few public city schools right by my college and there are always cops headed there to break up fights. And, yeah, he also really did employ a lot of people and give a bunch of his money to good causes. And that being self-centered really wasn't that bad of a thing.
Ya know what I think?
Maybe we can convert you.
Tell your friend's dad that judging by your comments, the seeds of capitalism are within you. You just need the proper . . . environment in which they can grow. :-)
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At one point, I asked my friend's dad what he felt about the "common good." He laughed and called my a typical bleeding heart.
I'm a volunteer firefighter. When I'm on a fire call, I'm a public servant. I get no compensation for this service although I have as much training as paid firefighters.
When I'm not on a call or training or doing anything related to the fire service I'm not acting as a public servant.
Contrast this to other "Public Servants" who hold elective office or appointed to positions of powder. They are not doing this for free or even low cost and in many cases become very wealthy due to their service to the public.
One other point that I want to make about the fire service. I have never said to anyone that I do what I do to help my fellow man or for the betterment of society. While I think I have, in some small way, meet those lofty goals, the truth of the matter is I like to put out fires and rescue people from wrecked cars. I get personal satisfaction out of being a part of a team that brings order out of disorder. I do it for me and the day that it stops being fun is the day I stop being a firefighter. For me to say that I do it for any other reason would not be truthful.
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In the UK, your television is taxed every year to fund the BBC (PBS) based on how "nice" it is. Black and white televisions are taxed at a few pounds a year while old CRT/low-def sets are assessed at a slightly higher rate. Affluent Brits pay an even higher tax rate for HDTV televisions. Regardless of the rate you pay, the programming you receive is still the same.
You may change your opinion about Bernie's ideas but you will still be paying for them.
I think that Connecticut taxes car owners per year, this in addition to gasoline taxes at the pump and vehicle registrations.
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Ya know what I think?
Maybe we can convert you.
Tell your friend's dad that judging by your comments, the seeds of capitalism are within you. You just need the proper . . . environment in which they can grow. :-)
Any suggestions for further training within the timeframe of this bet are welcome and encouraged.
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BET OBLIGATION UPDATE:
We have decided to end the terms of my service tonight at midnight. My friend and I both have a lot of classwork.
He asked me to come on here and really ask you to pile it on. Anything you think I should do around the dorm/campus for him please let me know. The more menial the tasks the better. It's becoming a really funny tale among our friends. I obviously have a sense of humor about all of this. The more "in deep" I have to go the better this is for all of us.
So far, I've worn a Trump hat for the week (only taking it off in class and when driving my friend around), done push-ups and wrote an essay at the request of members of this board. I am apparently responding well to this "training" so the more the better.
I won't have time to write a scholarly paper on the 17th amendment or go to the gun range. Just basic stuff around campus or within limits of a quick drive.
Thanks!
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Busy day here class-wise. But, as per my duties in obligating the bet, just asking once again if anyone has any tasks/chores they'd like to see me perform at the behest of my friend. I can't take on any reading assignments or do any writing assignments that would take a lot of research. But still here to honor the terms of my debt.
I'd like your answer to my question about the 17th Amendment, upthread.
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I'd like your answer to my question about the 17th Amendment, upthread.
I would love to do this but to do it justice will take too much time.
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Asking again.
Thank you for this.
My friend I lost the bet to said he will find a shirt my size for me to wear. (It's going to be cold up here this week, so I might have to accessorize with a Making America Great Again hat.)
Also: Even though the bet doesn't technically begin until midnight, I am also not allowed to vocally disagree with any conservative opinions for the week. And, also, I am to agree with any statements made in this discussion, too.
In fact, I am going to tell you that, yes, you are right. A lot of Bernie brats are spoiled rotten and made poor choices. This country was founded on hard work and people want things without having to make sacrifices. Than you for your thoughts on the subject.
If you really mean this then why are you supporting bernie?
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Asking again.
If you really mean this then why are you supporting bernie?
I initially wrote that per the order of my friend. One of the terms of the bet was that I cannot express disagreement with any anti-Bernie/pro-conservative argument until my debt is over. I wrote that as a sign of good faith that I would adhere to those terms.
However, I am now writing this of my own accord... and I'm not sure why anymore.
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Well, thanks for keeping us thoroughly updated. I hope you'll come back and visit us now and then after your bet term expires.
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Well, thanks for keeping us thoroughly updated. I hope you'll come back and visit us now and then after your bet term expires.
Any other exercises or drills you want me to do? I am being serious. The push-up one went over well.
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I hope you learned your lesson.
Next time just bet to see who buys the next lap dance.
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Any other exercises or drills you want me to do? I am being serious. The push-up one went over well.
If you are serious then stay and engage,if you want to know why we think a policy is wrong headed then ask and listen.
Respond intelligently and be willing to think about what you hear.
Most folks here have experienced a lot more life at this point and I don`t know of any that have had it easy or success handed to them so there can be a lot learned even if in the end you remain a liberal.
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I would love to do this but to do it justice will take too much time.
Hit the bullet points.
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Hit the bullet points.
Will do.
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Hit the bullet points.
* In all honesty, I had no idea what the 17th Amendment was off the top of my head. It's not exactly one of the "big ones" talked about in history classes. I had no idea that state legislatures voted for Senate until pretty late in US history. I always assumed it was a direct vote.
* As far as how it hurts the country, it causes federalism to override state's rights.
* State legislatures were able to elect representatives that more closely aligned with overall state interests.
* Today, we see our Senate elections as more national races. We have a Senate race in my state this year. Almost all of the issues talked about mirror what we hear in the presidential election. If it was a vote via the state legislature, the campaign on candidates would reflect more issues closely related to our home -- i.e., how we would like the federal government to fund various programs and the like.
* This would in turn make the Senate more responsive to the needs of the state.
* Congress had the intent of giving the people a direct voice via the House of Representatives. The Senate-via-legislature essentially placed a check of sorts on the whims of the people. It increased the states' power.
* Without that state power, federalist politicians now have almost zero check on the interaction between federal and state powers and rights.
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Any suggestions for further training within the timeframe of this bet are welcome and encouraged.
Read the bill of rights, start to finish, including the preamble.
CMD
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* In all honesty, I had no idea what the 17th Amendment was off the top of my head. It's not exactly one of the "big ones" talked about in history classes. I had no idea that state legislatures voted for Senate until pretty late in US history. I always assumed it was a direct vote.
* As far as how it hurts the country, it causes federalism to override state's rights.
* State legislatures were able to elect representatives that more closely aligned with overall state interests.
* Today, we see our Senate elections as more national races. We have a Senate race in my state this year. Almost all of the issues talked about mirror what we hear in the presidential election. If it was a vote via the state legislature, the campaign on candidates would reflect more issues closely related to our home -- i.e., how we would like the federal government to fund various programs and the like.
* This would in turn make the Senate more responsive to the needs of the state.
* Congress had the intent of giving the people a direct voice via the House of Representatives. The Senate-via-legislature essentially placed a check of sorts on the whims of the people. It increased the states' power.
* Without that state power, federalist politicians now have almost zero check on the interaction between federal and state powers and rights.
I am giving you an A+! Very few people understand the States' Rights issues raised by the 17th.
Kid, you are in the wrong camp. You belong here and I suspect you will end up here when you look at things through the critical eye God granted you. Your nickname will be a wonderful irony for years to come.
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Any other exercises or drills you want me to do? I am being serious. The push-up one went over well.
I have an assignment for you, but I'm afraid it's ongoing.
When you speak to some of your liberal, Bernie or Hillary supporting cohorts, and they spit at the word "conservative", tell them about your experience here, and how, even though we're diametrically opposed in political views, you were treated with respect, and welcomed.
That is all.
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* In all honesty, I had no idea what the 17th Amendment was off the top of my head. It's not exactly one of the "big ones" talked about in history classes. I had no idea that state legislatures voted for Senate until pretty late in US history. I always assumed it was a direct vote.
* As far as how it hurts the country, it causes federalism to override state's rights.
* State legislatures were able to elect representatives that more closely aligned with overall state interests.
* Today, we see our Senate elections as more national races. We have a Senate race in my state this year. Almost all of the issues talked about mirror what we hear in the presidential election. If it was a vote via the state legislature, the campaign on candidates would reflect more issues closely related to our home -- i.e., how we would like the federal government to fund various programs and the like.
* This would in turn make the Senate more responsive to the needs of the state.
* Congress had the intent of giving the people a direct voice via the House of Representatives. The Senate-via-legislature essentially placed a check of sorts on the whims of the people. It increased the states' power.
* Without that state power, federalist politicians now have almost zero check on the interaction between federal and state powers and rights.
One thing the left is determined on is increasing federal or central influence yet at every turn the founders were determined to limit such.
It is very telling and even if not perfect most times is imo the more desirable state of affairs.
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Any suggestions for further training within the timeframe of this bet are welcome and encouraged.
Buy us all a lap dance.
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Buy us all a lap dance.
By a cute 22 year old blonde with big hooters who knows how to cook, clean, wash and wax trucks and motorcycles, who owns a liquor store and has adventurous female friends.
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Any other exercises or drills you want me to do? I am being serious. The push-up one went over well.
I was actually kidding about that. Can't believe you actually did it!! H5 for that alone. :cheersmate:
You got one heck of a sense of humor and I respect any person that pays up when he/she loses a bet. Stick around... you will find we are not the mean heartless bastards that you have been led to believe. Oh we will beat you upside the head when we disagree on politics, nature of message boards, but you will find that we are actually quite nice people.
If you decide not to stick around, we understand that too.
I wish you success in all your endeavors.... with the exception of electing Bernie to the presidency. :tongue:
One last drill: Hit the books, graduate with a 4.0 and come back and tell us about it. :cheersmate:
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By a cute 22 year old blonde with big hooters who knows how to cook, clean, wash and wax trucks and motorcycles, who owns a liquor store and has adventurous female friends.
I don't think God makes them like that and if he does, they are waaaay out of our league. :rotf:
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I don't think God makes them like that and if he does, they are waaaay out of our league. :rotf:
I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.
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I like it a lot but, yeah, I go through the motions a bit, too.
I go to a small Catholic school in a big city. Our school is on the outskirts. We have like 6,000 kids here, and a decent amount are commuters. I think probably 80% of the kids also grew up within an hour of here, so a fair amount head home on weekends. (I'm not from the area.) But there's always something to do. Being in a city helps because I can just take the subway or bus downtown or hitch a ride with one of my friends if we feel like hanging out for a while. I'm only 20 so I'm technically not supposed to drink yet but shhhhhh.
I really think there's a big gap between what a lot of people think college is like these days. The only time I've heard of the phrase "safe space" was when someone wrote about it for the school newspaper. (I work on the paper a little bit.) That was it. It has never come up. We've never had any protests here. All of that stuff happens at the big state schools or super expensive schools where kids have too much time on their hands. And since it's a Catholic school, we actually have a pro-life club that puts up anti-abortion posters places.
My school doesn't even have TAs. It's sorta like high school in that way. Most of my classes have like 20 kids in them. I've had a few with 10. The biggest class I had was 40, and that was for a mandatory science class. My friends who go to big state schools have classes with like 300 kids or whatever and barely even see their professors.
I even have had professors who are priests. And a bunch of old-school professors who went here as undergraduates. I've had three classes where, before every meeting, we had a prayer or moment-of-silence before class. No one really cares. I know a few more outspoken liberal type of kids and they don't even really care. That's mostly because so many kids here went to Catholic school and came up with that, I think. But it's just sorta apathetic here. The most political it gets are with Bernie signs on doors (he'd win a mock election by a landslide). Like I can't even begin to tell you how popular he is with everyone.
It's impossible to flunk out. I don't know how anyone can flunk out of college. All you have to do is just go to class like 90% of the time and hand in your work when it's due and you'll get a C. If you put in the work and do a good job you get better grades. If you really bust your ass then you can get really good grades. I have some professors who are crazy hard. I have a few who don't know what they're doing and are all over the map. We have a few classes that are easy A's. We have a few classes no one wants to take because the workload is nuts compared to the usual class. Or they're math-based. It's just like high school in that way. And you can mess with your schedule to get a day off if you want, even if you take five classes a semester.
The only kids who do poorly or flunk out are kids who just party all the time. I mean, everyone goes to parties. (I made this dumb bet hammered.) But you just can't drink too much on weekday nights.
But it's fun. It's really what you make of it.
It sounds like a good experience overall. I'd say to think about how you got there. School work, grades, everything you needed to do finish high school and get into college. Think about how it all gets paid for, whether it be from your folks, you, financial aid......ultimately someone worked hard for you to be there, and you worked hard to be there. Take pride in that.
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I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.
Hell I ain't even that good anymore. :lmao:
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Any other exercises or drills you want me to do? I am being serious. The push-up one went over well.
How about a Trump tattoo? :-)
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I'm curious--what would you have had him do if you had won the bet?
I really hope that you will stick around after the bet is over. I understand that per the terms of your bet you couldn't say what you really feel but I for one would like to know.
I would also like to know if anything you've experienced over the last few days has changed your mind at all.
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I'm curious--what would you have had him do if you had won the bet?
I really hope that you will stick around after the bet is over. I understand that per the terms of your bet you couldn't say what you really feel but I for one would like to know.
I would also like to know if anything you've experienced over the last few days has changed your mind at all.
We have a no tattoo policy.
The things I would have him do were more silly pranks on him.
1) We have an open mic "coffeehouse" thing coming up Wednesday. It's a lot of English majors reading poetry and things like that. My friend hates it more than anything. I was going to make him read some poetry.
2) There's this lady downtown who offers people free hugs in one of the parks. I was going to make him do that.
3) He was going to hand write personal greeting cards that said "Thank you for being my best friend" and "You have pretty eyes" and the like and hand them to people.
4) Take people's trays for them in the dining hall.
Those were some of my ideas.
His whole thing was that Republicans know the value of hard work, so he was going to crack the whip on me and have me do menial tasks.
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My duties come to an end tonight. (Thank God.)
Things I had/have to do:
1) There was a Young Republicans club meeting tonight. My friend is a member of the group. I don't really know any of the other members other than from just seeing them around campus. I had to dress the part -- tucked in polo shirt, khakis -- along with my Trump hat and sit through it. Before I went, I had to grab a few Bernie signs (easy to do) and also take down the one on my door. At the meeting, I personally handed members of the club Bernie signs as their own personal doormats. Then we went outside and I set my Bernie sign on fire as they chanted "Feel The Bern."
2) I am my friend's personal Uber driver for the night. I had to drive him and a few of his Republican friends downtown so they can go to a restaurant and then bar hopping as they watch the Nevada results come in. I already had to drive back to take them to another bar. I have my phone on when I'm ordered to pick them up.
3) While awaiting the call, I had to return a bunch of my friend's books to the library. I also had to do his laundry, iron a bunch of his shirts (I've never even done that for my own shirts), and sort his sock//underwear/t-shirt drawers in his dresser.
4) I had to change his sheets.
5) I had to shine his dress shoes. (Thank god not while he was wearing them. I might have backed out.)
6) Vacuum his rug and sweep up.
7) Alphabitize his books.
And, of course, ask for any other suggestions.
As soon as I bring him and his friends back to campus and he turns out the lights to his room, I am free from my duties.
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By a cute 22 year old blonde with big hooters who knows how to cook, clean, wash and wax trucks and motorcycles, who owns a liquor store and has adventurous female friends.
...and enough crew-served weapons to TOE fill a Rifle Company and a killer Bass boat.
Two, would be better . :-)
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My duties come to an end tonight. (Thank God.)
Things I had/have to do:
1) There was a Young Republicans club meeting tonight. My friend is a member of the group. I don't really know any of the other members other than from just seeing them around campus. I had to dress the part -- tucked in polo shirt, khakis -- along with my Trump hat and sit through it. Before I went, I had to grab a few Bernie signs (easy to do) and also take down the one on my door. At the meeting, I personally handed members of the club Bernie signs as their own personal doormats. Then we went outside and I set my Bernie sign on fire as they chanted "Feel The Bern."
2) I am my friend's personal Uber driver for the night. I had to drive him and a few of his Republican friends downtown so they can go to a restaurant and then bar hopping as they watch the Nevada results come in. I already had to drive back to take them to another bar. I have my phone on when I'm ordered to pick them up.
3) While awaiting the call, I had to return a bunch of my friend's books to the library. I also had to do his laundry, iron a bunch of his shirts (I've never even done that for my own shirts), and sort his sock//underwear/t-shirt drawers in his dresser.
4) I had to change his sheets.
5) I had to shine his dress shoes. (Thank god not while he was wearing them. I might have backed out.)
6) Vacuum his rug and sweep up.
7) Alphabitize his books.
And, of course, ask for any other suggestions.
As soon as I bring him and his friends back to campus and he turns out the lights to his room, I am free from my duties.
My friend, you are a solid citizen. You made a bet, stood by it, held up not only the letter but the spirit of your side of the deal.
You are a born conservative who I think was led astray.
As was suggested above -- Go to democraticunderground.com, register with the name "CruzSupporter" and tell EXACTLY the same story you did to us.
Then you will need one of them newfangled Apple watches or fitbits or something to measure the nanoseconds before the first insult, followed by your banning.
All of us here (well me at least and from what I can tell. many of my fellow cavers) are pretty impressed by your honesty, humor, demeanor, intelligence and comportment.
Many of us have wanted to talk with Bernie supporters absent rancor so we can understand the attraction. It is quite baffling to us, other than the easy veneer we would like to use to describe his popularity, given his extreme left positions.
Now you can "be yourself" sans your 12 herculean tasks, please pull up a stool and palaver when you get our from under the backlog of real things you needed to do to make time for your bet payoff.
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By a cute 22 year old blonde with big hooters who knows how to cook, clean, wash and wax trucks and motorcycles, who owns a liquor store and has adventurous female friends.
I think there is a guy out on the Interstate truckstop who matches that description.
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I think there is a guy out on the Interstate truckstop who matches that description.
Is he the one they call "Pump & Munch"?
I'm asking for a friend.
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We have a no tattoo policy.
The things I would have him do were more silly pranks on him.
1) We have an open mic "coffeehouse" thing coming up Wednesday. It's a lot of English majors reading poetry and things like that. My friend hates it more than anything. I was going to make him read some poetry.
2) There's this lady downtown who offers people free hugs in one of the parks. I was going to make him do that.
3) He was going to hand write personal greeting cards that said "Thank you for being my best friend" and "You have pretty eyes" and the like and hand them to people.
4) Take people's trays for them in the dining hall.
Those were some of my ideas.
His whole thing was that Republicans know the value of hard work, so he was going to crack the whip on me and have me do menial tasks.
Great sense of humor! The hug lady in the park is particularly good.
Something to think about: "No tattoos" does not mean "No Sharpies". :evillaugh:
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My duties come to an end tonight. (Thank God.)
Things I had/have to do:
1) There was a Young Republicans club meeting tonight. My friend is a member of the group. I don't really know any of the other members other than from just seeing them around campus. I had to dress the part -- tucked in polo shirt, khakis -- along with my Trump hat and sit through it. Before I went, I had to grab a few Bernie signs (easy to do) and also take down the one on my door. At the meeting, I personally handed members of the club Bernie signs as their own personal doormats. Then we went outside and I set my Bernie sign on fire as they chanted "Feel The Bern."
2) I am my friend's personal Uber driver for the night. I had to drive him and a few of his Republican friends downtown so they can go to a restaurant and then bar hopping as they watch the Nevada results come in. I already had to drive back to take them to another bar. I have my phone on when I'm ordered to pick them up.
3) While awaiting the call, I had to return a bunch of my friend's books to the library. I also had to do his laundry, iron a bunch of his shirts (I've never even done that for my own shirts), and sort his sock//underwear/t-shirt drawers in his dresser.
4) I had to change his sheets.
5) I had to shine his dress shoes. (Thank god not while he was wearing them. I might have backed out.)
6) Vacuum his rug and sweep up.
7) Alphabitize his books.
And, of course, ask for any other suggestions.
As soon as I bring him and his friends back to campus and he turns out the lights to his room, I am free from my duties.
Stick around... you will find we here at CC are not Scrooge Mcduck's that only care about money, that want dirty air, dirty water and to shut the government down. With an open mind you will find that we are pretty much ordinary folks that have our own trials and tribulations.
Lots of good advice from people here awaits you... you only have to partake of it. :cheersmate:
I just want to know... you going to make the same bet on a different state? :-)
Stay well berniesupporter.
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I just want to know... you going to make the same bet on a different state? :-)
I learned my lesson. I'm not making any wagers while drunk ever again.
I also learned to not bet against Donald Trump. And, in fact, he has my vote if he does win the nomination.
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I learned my lesson. I'm not making any wagers while drunk ever again.
I also learned to not bet against Donald Trump. And, in fact, he has my vote if he does win the nomination.
Hey guy.... we have all done some dumb shit when drunk!!! At least you didn't wake up in jail with a new tatoo. :lmao:
Personally I do not like Trump. I'd rather see someone else more along the line of my values... unfortunately that someone is not running. May not exist. I want this country to get its finances in order, cut fed government by 10 percent across the board, military excepted, and take out the crony capitalism. Right now I do not care about social issues and never really have.
Break up the big banks. Break up some of the large corporations. Give the small business a voice at the table. Enact the fair tax and take the power of the purse out of the tax system. Want to raise taxes? Then raise it on everyone. Screw the government using the tax code to promote social policy. Taxes are for one thing... to fund the government... and if the people want more social programs then everyone should have skin in the game. Get a handle on illegal immigration. No amnesty. We tried that 30 years ago and what did we get? More illegals.
I could go on and on... you get the idea though.
Some of that is what Bernie is saying, most not.
If you sit down and think about it truthfully... you may find we are not so different after all. :cheersmate:
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I learned my lesson. I'm not making any wagers while drunk ever again.
I also learned to not bet against Donald Trump. And, in fact, he has my vote if he does win the nomination.
Donny Trump is no conservative. If you're looking at him as some sort of benchmark, you're probably wrong.
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1) This is my new nickname. I figured you all would very much enjoy it.
2) I'll check in from time to time.
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1) This is my new nickname. I figured you all would very much enjoy it.
2) I'll check in from time to time.
Love it!
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:whatever:
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By a cute 22 year old blonde with big hooters who knows how to cook, clean, wash and wax trucks and motorcycles, who owns a liquor store and has adventurous female friends.
:cheersmate:
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:cheersmate:
Damn. She was wearing a workshirt and blue jeans when she left my house that morning. I KNEW something like this would happen..:(
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1) This is my new nickname. I figured you all would very much enjoy it.
2) I'll check in from time to time.
I gave you an H5 for originality!
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1) This is my new nickname. I figured you all would very much enjoy it.
2) I'll check in from time to time.
Coulda gone with "ItUsedToBernWhenIPee"
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As was suggested above -- Go to democraticunderground.com, register with the name "CruzSupporter" and tell EXACTLY the same story you did to us.
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:cheersmate:
Rough Carpentry, too!!11????!!???
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Hey guy.... we have all done some dumb shit when drunk!!! At least you didn't wake up in jail with a new tatoo. :lmao:
Personally I do not like Trump. I'd rather see someone else more along the line of my values... unfortunately that someone is not running. May not exist. I want this country to get its finances in order, cut fed government by 10 percent across the board, military excepted, and take out the crony capitalism. Right now I do not care about social issues and never really have.
Break up the big banks. Break up some of the large corporations. Give the small business a voice at the table. Enact the fair tax and take the power of the purse out of the tax system. Want to raise taxes? Then raise it on everyone. Screw the government using the tax code to promote social policy. Taxes are for one thing... to fund the government... and if the people want more social programs then everyone should have skin in the game. Get a handle on illegal immigration. No amnesty. We tried that 30 years ago and what did we get? More illegals.
:hi5:
But, I will vote Trump, in a heartbeat.
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I learned my lesson. I'm not making any wagers while drunk ever again.
I also learned to not bet against Donald Trump. And, in fact, he has my vote if he does win the nomination.
I think a lot of Bernouts will go that direction when, not if, the DNC®LLC kicks him to the curb. (D)emocrats are criminals, period. What I hope, is that this opens not only your eyes, but all of them, to the entire political process. This what happens when government is perverted into an arbiter of free shit.
It doesn't work. It steals.
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I think a lot of Bernouts will go that direction when, not if, the DNC®LLC kicks him to the curb. (D)emocrats are criminals, period. What I hope, is that this opens not only your eyes, but all of them, to the entire political process. This what happens when government is perverted into an arbiter of free shit.
It doesn't work. It steals.
The Bernout that sits next to me in the cube farm told me that, if Bernie doesn't win the nomination (about a 110% certainty), most of them will either 1) Vote Green Party, or 2) Stay home on Election Day.