New folks in the Jehova Wittnesses

[vesta111]

I got a phone call today from a man that wanted to know if I would be interested in learning about the dispute with the Creationists and Evolution.

Hot dog, someone interesting to talk to.----------This man and I talked all around the barn for about 30 minutes and I asked him if he was a Jehovah Wittiness.    He was.

We talked about a million things in the old Testament , life in the middle east today and the rise of Islam.

This man was nothing like the in the past Jehovah Wittiness, he was well versed in their history and beliefs.   He also seemed well read and a follower of science and American history and early European history of the Catholic Church.

For the first time I spoke with a man that was not going to think I was nuts, he gave thought to my questions and gave me answers that by the Bible made sense.

Did the answers make sense to me in this world we live in, sort of as human nature never changes.

The only thing that threw him was when I mentioned 2 JW that had been drafted and went into the Military as non combatant medics, he at 60 years old had never heard of that. 

When I mentioned Jesus said rend unto Cesar what is Cesar's, it was only when I mentioned if he had ever watched the TV. program Mash that  he understood.

This was delightfull, this man has all his ducks in a row.   He will be mailing me his information about why the humans have only been on earth for 8,000 years and what not,
I cannot wait to get this view of why he believes this, this may educate me some what, differently different from those that that have threaded me and kids of eternal damnation unless we give money to their church.
 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

They believe the unsaved are annihilated after death.

So who cares?

[CG6468]

They believe the unsaved are annihilated after death.

So who cares?

More people for us to slam the door in their faces.

[vesta111]

More people for us to slam the door in their faces.

Why would you do that, to slam the door on a person with interesting views and just ask you to read a pamphlet or two, free of charge,   no strings attached???

What is the matter with people who are not curious about things that others deeply believe in, would this be in any way a threat to your beliefs???   Is there some reason people refuse to want to know the why and how of others beliefs?????

If Your faith is strong within you how can gaining knowledge of another faith be a threat or bother???

Strange but if one gains knowledge of other faiths, one come to understand that there are not much difference in the faith---Love, Hope and Charity.

To my mind thinking, those who Slam the Door to others ideas and faith  are people with little faith, they fear others of others faith will convert them. 

To slam the door in the face of a Christian,  and yes they are Christian is to slam the door of the Russian Orthodox Church or the Etheopen Church.

Whats the matter with you, are you so ignorant that you are afraid of new ideas????  Too closed up that you will not listen to others ideas that will in no way effect your own beliefs, if your own belief is strong??????

[franksolich]

You know, I've always had a problem with the Jehovah's Witnesses, wherever I've lived.

Being from the Sandhills of Nebraska, I've always had this attitude that God compels one to accept anyone and everyone coming his way (unless and until proven false, of course).

Jehovah's Witnesses are always invited inside, when they knock on the door.

But they never stay long; I dunno why.

I mean, it's not the body odor or bad breath or something like that, but they never stay long.

[MrsSmith]

Jehovah's Witnesses have some beliefs that differ radically from Christian theology.  Enough so that they've edited the Bible to remove the things that create conflict with their ideas.  One area of solid agreement in Christian theology is that you can't simply ignore parts of the Bible, nor take verses out of context to prove something different from what was intended when it was written.  Your job, as part of the lay priesthood (all believers) is to understand what the writer meant, not "what it means to you," or how a specific verse can be taken out of context to prove something that does not agree with the Bible as a whole.  It is agreed by all theologians that the Bible does not contradict itself, so if something in one area seems to contradict something in another, the job of the reader is to discover what they are misunderstanding to cause this seeming contradiction.

With this in mind, the JW beliefs that God is not a single triune god are a problem when considered in light of the entire Bible, as are their beliefs that Jesus was created instead of begotten, and was not resurrected.  Another major problem is their belief that salvation comes through works, while the Bible teaches that salvation is a matter of grace, only God is able to save anyone, man is helpless to save himself.

There are other issues, also, these are just some of the main areas where they differ from all Christian theology.  There may be much disagreement between Catholic and Protestant theology, and between various Protestant church doctrine, but the basics of Christian theology are true for all Christians.

By all means, discuss and listen, but beware not to be led astray!  Take responsibility for studying theology, take responsibility for knowing and understanding the truth,  and find out if you are listening to a false prophet.

[Texacon]

I've got no problem with the JW's except one.  When I ask you to leave my house you need to do so.  When I ask the second time I'm not real friendly about it.

I've got a good friend whose wife is a JW.  She pestered me to no end until I told her to leave me the hell alone.  She wasn't going to convert me and I wasn't going to convert her so just leave it alone.

Her husband thanked me.  He said he wished more people would tell her the same thing.

Oddly enough, SHE is not allowed to go to other churches.  Her church won't let her.  At the time I was around her a lot I was the Road Captain for the Christian Motorcycle Association and she couldn't/wouldn't ride with us if we were wearing our 'colors.'  When we did church crashes (visit unannounced) or visted a members church she stayed home and her husband came with us. 

KC

[rich_t]

JWs never get invited into my home.  When they knock on the door and start their spiel, I kindly inform them that I am a Christian and wish them a good day.

[CG6468]

I point out to them that our property is posted NO TRESPASSING, and tell them they have 30 seconds to get their asses out on the road.

We used to have a dog that was with me all the time. Even when I was working on the car, she'd snarl and they got the message.

[Wineslob]

When they come up the drive, I play Black Sabbath, loudly.

[thundley4]

I've always politely told them I wasn't interested, and they have always left without argument and they weren't pushy.

[vesta111]

I've always politely told them I wasn't interested, and they have always left without argument and they weren't pushy.

Same as the Mormon Missionaries, always polite, well dressed and unassuming.

I have no problem with ANY faith knocking on my door, the Buddist Priests I met in Cal. requested just a bowl of rice, and for some reason would tie a colored string around my wrist before they left with a one pound bag of rice.

Now the Kristina's drove me nuts in airports or on the streets, at one point I gave them a buck just to allow me and kids to move on.

Never had a Hindu come a knocking, a Jew, Muslim or Catholic Priest.  So far no one has shown up to sell me Voodoo candles, or a Wicca to teach me their faith.

Kind of a shame, all would be welcome in my home for the the knowledge they had of their belief and give me understanding of the millions of humans that follow that faith.

My faith is too strong to to be afraid of the faiths of others.   Most of the time I can understand that all believe in one GOD and the rites are all that separate us.

At this time with all the sects and different cultures in the Muslim faith, I see a resemblance to the Early Christian Church when the Mother Church was broken by the different Orthodox Churches in Europe. 

  Later Marten Luther caused splits from Catholicism and now the Christian Churches have hundreds of off shoots that all claim to be Christian.  All follow the Bible At their interpretation of it. 

For me it is very interesting to research the faiths of others--- to watch the Metamorphose of the Muslem and how the Mother Church to them is loosing its war to keep it intact.

Heck I would love to have someone explain to me about Scientology or the snake handlers in the south that call them self's Baptists.    Fred Phelps is not included as I do not believe he represents any faith but the love and worship of money.   

Rev. White is another shyster as are Jimmy Swagert and the Bakers, ----Just my openion but ------What the Hell, open the door, let them all in and  learn why Jesus drove the money changers from the Temple.

Our FATHER has many hats, many names, the Tower of Babble took care of that, regardless what name we call God, he is the same to all humanity.  There are no false Gods, just false Prophets.

[Habsfan]

  and yes they are Christian i

No they are not. I can see you are easily fooled. They use pretty words and bring out "their" version of the bible and you believe them.

The TRUE Bible:
Gospel of John Chapter 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (hint: the "Word" is Jesus)

Their "bible"
In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. (The New World Translation)

Read and Learn!
http://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/john-11-word-was-god

[vesta111]

No they are not. I can see you are easily fooled. They use pretty words and bring out "their" version of the bible and you believe them.

The TRUE Bible:
Gospel of John Chapter 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (hint: the "Word" is Jesus)

Their "bible"
In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. (The New World Translation)

Read and Learn!
http://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/john-11-word-was-god

Fascinating, your link, thank you.

Very confusing trying to interpret scripts that have under gone 3+ translations from dead languages, reminds me of trying to read hand written diary's or ledgers from only 200 years ago.     Written in English as it was at that time, the F's and S's and some question on spelling and odd terms not in use today.  Like our Urban Dictionary and the fact that the Oxford Dictionary has new words added each year.

I will keep my eyes and ears open to any teaching, question and research.---Buy the way the JW's were warning us about blood transfusion's and their danger for most of my life time and before.     First time I heard of their taboo I thought they were nuts, took half a century to understand that in the far future there would become a very good reason, medically speaking for what I believed to be just a religious practice.

[unbiased]

I can honestly say I don't mind talking to them or the Mormons when they come around. I don't agree with them, but I don't mind talking to them. And try to figure this one out. My cousin retired from the Army a few years ago, but he and his wife (also in the Army) both became JW's about 10 years ago. Don't know how they justified it to theirselves and I've never asked. He lives a couple of states away and I only see him every few years. But I do find it a tad strange.