................when we talk about fixing health care?
I said I quit the other day because of the ignorance
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3066374undeterred (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 04:20 AM
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Why does the right jump to "socialism" so quickly when we talk about fixing health care?
Advertisements [?]People are dying for lack of health insurance. Some of the remedies being proposed are hardly radical at all- Clinton's plan makes things better for health insurance companies if I am not mistaken. Can there really be anyone who doesn't know someone who has suffered terribly because they were without insurance, either by losing their home or their life? I would think that the health care situation alone would be enough to make everyone in their right mind vote Democrat this year.
But its not just the fear of terrorism that the right uses... its the other ism... SOCIALISM. Thats even scarier to some of these wingnuts.
leftofcool (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 04:27 AM
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1. Because socialism.....
and this is a simplified definition (too early for the OED), is in part "share and share alike." RWers see health care as part of that definition. Most Republicans do not want to pay taxes for people to have health care or have their taxes raised. Their philosophy..."I got mine the hard way or I worked for mine, everyone else should too." They aren't really scared of "socialism" they just don't want to let go of their money. Socialism is the excuse.
My god.................the view into the socialist mind is appalling
undeterred (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 04:40 AM
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2. I've heard the "McCain plan" takes away the tax incentive
for employers to offer health care and gives individuals a $2500 tax credit to buy a plan. Where can you buy health insurance for $2500 a year?! His plan is to let us all die!
I can get a high deductable plan for less than $1200/year
leftofcool (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 04:54 AM
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3. I know
And I don't know of anywhere you can buy health insurance that cheap. Most single payer health insurance is approximately 750.00 per month with out any pre existing conditions and with a 2000 deductable plus no prescription benefits. When my husband retires, ours will be $1,700 a month which is about 80.00 more than my teachers retirement.
Get new insurance.............or as I suspect..............QUIT LYING
cynatnite (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 05:07 AM
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4. Wingnuts don't realize is we've already got socialized medicine...
our troops, medicaid and medicare...all provided by the government.
No candidate will put forth a plan that provides health care for all and that also cuts out health insurance companies. Those effing companies are that powerful.
cynatnite (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 07:51 AM
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15. As much as I like Kucinich, I did not vote for him...
Perhaps I should have said any candidate that has a snowball's chance of winning the WH.
Solon (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 05:08 AM
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5. They view health care as a privilege, not a right.... Some are really radical libertarians, and advocate stuff like privatized police, schools, and fire protection. The fact is that a need in the community was met by "socializing" all these services, and it benefited everyone, especially with unseen side benefits. Health care could be considered a similar necessary service for our communities and should be public, just like schools, police, fire department, libraries, etc.
To be honest, they use the word "Socialism" because it has a negative connotation in this country, where we had "red scares" and are inundated with propaganda about the "evils" of Socialism. They are hoping it works again this time just as it has worked in the past. The thing is that I think many Americans are getting fed up with capitalistic health care, and actually are apathetic to the whole "Its Socialism!" scare. They want health care at affordable costs, period, regardless as to whether or not its actually socialism.
No......................you stupid idjit primitives are tired and hate capitalistic programs and want to be more like NK, China, Russia, Venezula, Cuba....etc
asteroid2003QQ47 (523 posts) Thu Mar-27-08 05:24 AM
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6. Because socialism is not sustainable you idiot!
Don't make us say it out loud,
only CAPITALISM is sustainable!
Get with the program!
fasttense (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 06:32 AM
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7. It is not socialism they are afraid of.
They quickly jump in to give socialism a try when the finance corporations, like Bear Stearns, are in trouble. The republican government didn't hesitate to bailout their Wall Street buddies when their gambles on sub-prime securities went sour. Socialism is an easy scare for republicans. It's code for living off the government but they don't mind socializing Wall Street and corporations.
It's just the little guy they want to stand on their own two feet. Corporations, Wall Street, bankers are all supported with your and my tax dollars.
Why they find it so offensive to help the poor and suffering individual, yet pour billions into helping the rich and powerful is beyond me. Can republicans be so stupid that they don't realize that bailouts for bankers is socialism?
You really start to see that this is more class envy and nanny stateism
BerryBush (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 07:06 AM
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10. Because they would claim that bailing out a corporation is a public good
and provides maximum benefit to all through the ripple effect that saving the company will have on the economy, whereas rescuing one poor individual from going under just because he lost his job and had unexpected medical bills would benefit only that person and his family, not society as a whole. Besides, it would teach him to be irresponsible and not take care of himself because the government will always be there to bail him out of his poor personal choices. Tsk tsk.
Of course, they are wrong, insensitive and heartless, but that's their justification, anyway, for saying that Bear Stearns needs help, but that guy down the block who was taken advantage of by a predatory lender and can't pay off his mortgage should be forced out into the street.
No the person down the street should have read the paperwork for one..............for two they should only buy what they can afford.
datasuspect (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 06:36 AM
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8. because decades of propaganda and advertising have been very effective
in brainwashing a nation of mullets.
Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 06:41 AM
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9. Because socialism empowers people and eats into the profits. Wingers can't stand that.
Oh the hell with it I quit
