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Re: Lawmakers announce compromise budget deal
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2013, 10:34:01 PM »
if obama had any leadership skills we would have never had a budget impasse hanging over our heads since he took office.
He has excellent leadership skills, as long as he risks nothing personally and he can put pawns in front of him to deflect criticism. He's tuned this technique into an art form worthy of it's own title..."leading from behind".
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Re: Lawmakers announce compromise budget deal
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2013, 04:35:02 AM »
Where precisely is this money coming from?

And the pensions of military retirees...

Deal hits military retirement

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Re: Lawmakers announce compromise budget deal
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2013, 07:13:45 AM »
And the pensions of military retirees...

Deal hits military retirement

We're target No. 1.

Yep, D6 gets a nice h5 for an extraordinary rant.  :clap:

Meanwhile, the pork continues:

The best that can be said about the House-Senate budget deal announced late Tuesday is that it includes no tax increases, no new incentives for not working, and some modest entitlement reforms. Oh, and it will avoid another shutdown fiasco, assuming enough Republicans refuse to attempt suicide a second time.

The worst part of the two-year deal is that it breaks the 2011 Budget Control Act's discretionary spending caps for fiscal years 2014 and 2015. The deal breaks the caps by some $63 billion over the two years and then re-establishes the caps starting in 2016 where they are in current law at $1.016 trillion. Half of the increase will go to defense and half to the domestic accounts prized by Democrats.

Breaking the caps is a victory for Senate Democrats and House Republican Appropriators like Oklahoma's Tom Cole, who will get more money to spend and will dodge another continuing resolution that doesn't allow them to set spending priorities. It would be nice to think they'll spend the money on such useful purposes as cancer or Alzheimer's research at the National Institutes of Health. But they will also get to dole out pork. The deal means overall federal spending will not decline in 2014 as it has the last two years.

To offset the extra spending without adding to the deficit over 10 years, the deal includes about an $85 billion grab bag of new fees, some amusingly revealing program changes, and modest entitlement reforms. The fees add up to about $26 billion over 10 years, and they are all charges for government services that were proposed in chief GOP negotiator Paul Ryan's previous House budget resolutions.

Fees for services aren't tax increases on income or sales. But that doesn't mean they won't be felt by average Americans, notably in a higher levy for the high honor of being patted down by the Transportation Security Administration. The feds currently charge $2.50 on nonstop flights, and $5 for flights with a connection, and the deal will establish a simple $5.60 fee for all one-way trips regardless of the number of connections. The fees will be passed along to passengers in higher ticket costs.

The various program changes are revealing because they include the kind of granular inspection that even a modestly competent government would already be doing. Who knew there wasn't a cap on how much federal contractors could bill for personal compensation? This deal caps it at $487,000.

And did you know that the feds keep a Death Master File of dead Americans and their Social Security numbers but don't restrict access to it to prevent fraud? This deal will do it. The changes show how false it is for President Obama to claim that somehow the sequester and budget caps have cut the government to the bone. The truth is that it has finally forced some long overdue scouring for waste.

Perhaps the best conceptual precedent is that the deal trades discretionary spending increases for entitlement reforms, albeit small. Heretofore the Democrats have insisted on tax increases to offset any entitlement changes. The changes are modest because Democrats refuse to budge on Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security that are the biggest drivers of future liabilities. Americans are going to have to elect a GOP Senate in 2014 and a new President if they want to solve those problems.

But Mr. Ryan was able to negotiate a significant change to the pensions of federal government workers and the military. This will save $12 billion over 10 years, $6 billion each from civilians and the military, and much more over time. These savings are genuine because they result from a change in law that won't expire, not a promise of future changes that everyone knows will never happen.

It's hard to believe, but federal employees currently receive both a pension and a 401(k)-style plan with a taxpayer matching contribution. Most Americans in the private economy get one or the other if they get anything at all. Federal workers also contribute a mere 0.8% of their annual pay to their pension, which is unheard of even in major corporations. The deal increases that by 1.3-percentage points for new federal hires.

small snip...

Military retirees under age 62 will see their cost-of-living increases reduced to the annual increase in the consumer price index minus 1%. The military brass requested this as a way to help them adjust to the decline in overall military spending. As many experts have written on these pages, the military's exploding pension and health-care costs need to be restrained to be able to keep a trained and well-equipped active force.

rest at the WSJ link.
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Re: Lawmakers announce compromise budget deal
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2013, 07:16:20 AM »
Just to tag onto the above:

I long ago stopped worrying about my military retirement. Working for Congress is like walking around with your naked ass in the air with a tube of KY just looking for a raping, so I no longer consider myself fixed to Congress in any way. They could take ALL of my retirement and I wouldn't blink an eye -- in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they do take it at some point down the road.
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Re: Lawmakers announce compromise budget deal
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2013, 10:17:36 AM »
Just to tag onto the above:

I long ago stopped worrying about my military retirement. Working for Congress is like walking around with your naked ass in the air with a tube of KY just looking for a raping, so I no longer consider myself fixed to Congress in any way. They could take ALL of my retirement and I wouldn't blink an eye -- in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they do take it at some point down the road.
If the feds do manage to amend retirement payments to military, no federal retirement will be safe.
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Re: Lawmakers announce compromise budget deal
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2013, 03:34:09 PM »
If the feds do manage to amend retirement payments to military, no federal retirement will be safe.

Most federal workers support dems. and their unions certainly do.  They will get hammered but only after the dems. don't need them anymore.