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Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« on: July 16, 2008, 08:29:30 PM »
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=56200

Were in the process of packing their gear and returning to their home post.

They were members of the 2nd Battalion, 503rd Airborne Regiment, 173rd Airborne Brigade.

Now we know why we vacated the outpost.

My oldest son spent 3 years with Chosen Company, 2/503rd.  One year of that was during the brigade's previous tour of duty in Afghanistan.  He may have known some of those who were KIA.
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2008, 09:11:53 PM »
R.I.P Troops.

1st Lt. Jonathan P. Brostrom, 24, of Hawaii.
Sgt. Israel Garcia, 24, of Long Beach, Calif.
Cpl. Jonathan R. Ayers, 24, of Snellville, Ga.
Cpl. Jason M. Bogar, 25, of Seattle, Wash.
Cpl. Jason D. Hovater, 24, of Clinton, Tenn.
Cpl. Matthew B. Phillips, 27, of Jasper, Ga.
Cpl. Pruitt A. Rainey, 22, of Haw River, N.C.
Cpl. Gunnar W. Zwilling, 20, of Florissant, Mo.
Pfc. Sergio S. Abad, 21, of Morganfield, Ky.


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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2008, 09:21:06 PM »
I'd like to know how many of those bastards were killed by our guys. Why don't they report it? :censored:
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2008, 09:26:01 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 09:21:06 PM
I'd like to know how many of those bastards were killed by our guys. Why don't they report it? :censored:

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The second official said more than 40 insurgents were killed in the fighting.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/14/world/main4256977.shtml
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2008, 09:29:00 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 09:21:06 PM
I'd like to know how many of those bastards were killed by our guys. Why don't they report it? :censored:

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The second official said more than 40 insurgents were killed in the fighting.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/14/world/main4256977.shtml

You could probably double that number and be more accurate. 
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2008, 09:30:34 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 09:21:06 PM
I'd like to know how many of those bastards were killed by our guys. Why don't they report it? :censored:

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The second official said more than 40 insurgents were killed in the fighting.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/14/world/main4256977.shtml

You could probably double that number and be more accurate. 

I won't disagree.  The media is oft inclined to be anti US military.  Been that way for decades.
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2008, 09:32:53 PM »
I don't know the first thing about waging war, I did read "Lone Survivor" so I know the terrain is treacherous and the terrorists have the advantage. So my question is why don't we use those little spy planes/drones to track the movement of the Taliban?


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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2008, 09:33:34 PM »
Quote from: Willow on July 16, 2008, 09:32:53 PM
I don't know the first thing about waging war, I did read "Lone Survivor" so I know the terrain is treacherous and the terrorists have the advantage. So my question is why don't we use those little spy planes/drones to track the movement of the Taliban?


RIP precious soldiers!  :usflag:

We do.
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2008, 09:41:06 PM »
Quote from: Willow on July 16, 2008, 09:32:53 PM
I don't know the first thing about waging war, I did read "Lone Survivor" so I know the terrain is treacherous and the terrorists have the advantage. So my question is why don't we use those little spy planes/drones to track the movement of the Taliban?


RIP precious soldiers!  :usflag:

Darlin', there are so many variants of the Predator, Global Hawk, and some I can't mention used right now it isn't even funny. Don't buy this liberal bullshit you hear. We're using technology now in a greater amount than we ever have.
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2008, 09:43:50 PM »
Well I guess I could since I JUST found one on Damn Wikipedia.  :censored:

WHAT THE **** OVER!  :censored:

I hope they find the sumbitch that added that and prosecute his/her ass.
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2008, 09:47:21 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 09:43:50 PM
Well I guess I could since I JUST found one on Damn Wikipedia.  :censored:

WHAT THE **** OVER!  :censored:

I hope they find the sumbitch that added that and prosecute his/her ass.

Which one did you find mentioned there?
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2008, 09:49:33 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 09:47:21 PM
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 09:43:50 PM
Well I guess I could since I JUST found one on Damn Wikipedia.  :censored:

WHAT THE **** OVER!  :censored:

I hope they find the sumbitch that added that and prosecute his/her ass.

Which one did you find mentioned there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Hawk

It wasn't classified, but it IS sensitive. ...as are all military systems.  :censored:

Loose lips sink ships. When in the **** did we lose this principle?
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2008, 10:01:50 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 09:49:33 PM
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 09:47:21 PM
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 09:43:50 PM
Well I guess I could since I JUST found one on Damn Wikipedia.  :censored:

WHAT THE **** OVER!  :censored:

I hope they find the sumbitch that added that and prosecute his/her ass.

Which one did you find mentioned there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Hawk

It wasn't classified, but it IS sensitive. ...as are all military systems.  :censored:

Loose lips sink ships. When in the **** did we lose this principle?

That one stopped being even sensitive some time ago IIRC.  It went public in 2003.

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2003/articles/apr_03/hawk/
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2008, 10:05:17 PM »
Quote from: Willow on July 16, 2008, 09:32:53 PM
I don't know the first thing about waging war,

I bet you do.

What will you do if you personally or one of your loved ones are attacked?

Will you kill in defense of yourself or your kids?
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2008, 10:08:48 PM »
RIP dear soldiers.
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2008, 10:09:56 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Willow on July 16, 2008, 09:32:53 PM
I don't know the first thing about waging war,

I bet you do.

What will you do if you personally or one of your loved ones are attacked?

Will you kill in defense of yourself or your kids?

Not really a good definition. Say there's a group of thugs that move next door and they send one at a time, about every 3 nights, to come to her house. What does she do when the cops, in this case the U.N.  :whatever: , does nothing? She gets fed up and goes next door and ends those ****ers right there.

You're defining the WWII England approach. I'm defining the WWII USA approach. :rocker2:
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2008, 10:11:20 PM »
Cpl Jason D Hovater was from here. He was said to be a very happy, thoughful person who loved to have a good time. He was proud of being a soldier and serving his country.

His parents and beautiful young wife were on the local news last night.

He and his wife had plans to go backpacking through Ireland when he got home. He was due home fairly soon.

Both his wife and his parents said he believed in what he was doing and they were obviously most proud of him. His Mom said he's now with God and the angels looking down on them and taking care of them.

Brought me to tears.....



May God Bless welcome them to his army of angels and watch over their families and friends as they go through this difficult time.

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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2008, 10:15:42 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Willow on July 16, 2008, 09:32:53 PM
I don't know the first thing about waging war,

I bet you do.

What will you do if you personally or one of your loved ones are attacked?

Will you kill in defense of yourself or your kids?


damn straight I would if I could!
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2008, 10:22:26 PM »
Quote from: Willow on July 16, 2008, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Willow on July 16, 2008, 09:32:53 PM
I don't know the first thing about waging war,

I bet you do.

What will you do if you personally or one of your loved ones are attacked?

Will you kill in defense of yourself or your kids?


damn straight I would if I could!

Then you have a base understanding of war.

War, when you boil it down to it's base element is killing to protect that which you love.

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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2008, 10:23:23 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 10:22:26 PM
Then you have a base understanding of war.

War, when you boil it down to it's base element is killing to protect that which you love.



I disagree. Not all wars waged are waged by people trying to protect what they love.
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2008, 10:24:32 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Willow on July 16, 2008, 09:32:53 PM
I don't know the first thing about waging war,

I bet you do.

What will you do if you personally or one of your loved ones are attacked?

Will you kill in defense of yourself or your kids?

Not really a good definition. Say there's a group of thugs that move next door and they send one at a time, about every 3 nights, to come to her house. What does she do when the cops, in this case the U.N.  :whatever: , does nothing? She gets fed up and goes next door and ends those ****ers right there.

You're defining the WWII England approach. I'm defining the WWII USA approach. :rocker2:

Be patient young Jedi.....

I was merely setting the stage.
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2008, 10:26:53 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 10:22:26 PM
Then you have a base understanding of war.

War, when you boil it down to it's base element is killing to protect that which you love.



I disagree. Not all wars waged are waged by people trying to protect what they love.

Prove it.

 :cheersmate:
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2008, 10:29:12 PM »
Rest In Peace
1st Lt. Jonathan P. Brostrom, 24, of Hawaii.
Sgt. Israel Garcia, 24, of Long Beach, Calif.
Cpl. Jonathan R. Ayers, 24, of Snellville, Ga.
Cpl. Jason M. Bogar, 25, of Seattle, Wash.
Cpl. Jason D. Hovater, 24, of Clinton, Tenn.
Cpl. Matthew B. Phillips, 27, of Jasper, Ga.
Cpl. Pruitt A. Rainey, 22, of Haw River, N.C.
Cpl. Gunnar W. Zwilling, 20, of Florissant, Mo.
Pfc. Sergio S. Abad, 21, of Morganfield, Ky.

God Bless.
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2008, 10:48:43 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: Rebel on July 16, 2008, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: rich_t on July 16, 2008, 10:22:26 PM
Then you have a base understanding of war.

War, when you boil it down to it's base element is killing to protect that which you love.



I disagree. Not all wars waged are waged by people trying to protect what they love.

Prove it.

 :cheersmate:

You can't be serious. How about the war the Islamic fundamentalists started? How about Hitler? How about Pol Pot? How about Saddam Hussein with Iran? How about his attacking Kuwait? Shall I go on?
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Re: Those 9 Warriors Killed In Afghanistan
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2008, 10:54:06 PM »
The aggressors are not the only ones who wage war.  Those who fought back where doing so to defend something they loved.
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