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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #250 on: July 20, 2013, 09:51:20 PM »
Yeah, I'd say that's one of your problems then.  DO you have a Mity-vac, or something else that you could use to apply vacuum to one side of the fuel pump's diaphragm? 

I'm wondering if a bunch of rust particles and other debris didn't wipe out your pump's diaphragm. 

 :II: he has the ticket...diagnostics id your friend not parts change.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #251 on: July 20, 2013, 10:03:53 PM »
:II: he has the ticket...diagnostics id your friend not parts change.
I have a fuel pressure gauge but I don't know if that would have helped in this case.  I've never dealt with a mechanical fuel pump, so this is all news to me.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #252 on: July 20, 2013, 10:27:41 PM »
I have a fuel pressure gauge but I don't know if that would have helped in this case.  I've never dealt with a mechanical fuel pump, so this is all news to me.

If you don't mind the taste of a little bit of gas, you can always plug one end of the pump with your thumb or something, and suck on the other end, then plug it with your tongue.  If it's a really bad leak, you'll feel the vacuum leaking. 

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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #253 on: July 20, 2013, 10:29:08 PM »
I did that earlier with the fuel pickup unit.  It was clear and had no obstructions but I put in a new filter anyway.  The only thing left in the fuel system was the pump.  When I pulled the fuel pickup unit, it was coated with rust particles from the old tank.  Did not look good.

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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #254 on: July 20, 2013, 10:59:27 PM »
Other than the purchase price of the car, my outlay has been about $600, maybe $700 so far, and that includes the claybar and Meguiars I bought last month.

I'm trying to keep it under control. :p
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #255 on: July 21, 2013, 08:31:06 PM »
I do believe that problem has been fixed.  I was able to shut the car off after driving it to the store and back, restart it, and move it across the driveway.  It doesn't seem to be sputtering and surging like it was before.  I saved the old fuel pump and I'm going to take it apart for a look.

Another problem has occurred.  The trunk won't open and my tools are in there. :(
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #256 on: July 21, 2013, 08:34:46 PM »
Another problem has occurred.  The trunk won't open and my tools are in there. :(

That sucks.  Be glad they're not stuck in your B's trunk.  It happened to me once.  Nadin it, and you'll see how bad it is to get back in. 

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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #257 on: July 21, 2013, 09:05:15 PM »
I tried sliding the trunk lid side to side.  No luck.

I'll call a locksmith and have him work on it while I'm at work.  I don't care if he has to drill it out... lock cylinders don't cost much and a locksmith won't cost anything (roadside assistance is pretty awesome).
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #258 on: July 22, 2013, 06:18:30 AM »
I tried sliding the trunk lid side to side.  No luck.

I'll call a locksmith and have him work on it while I'm at work.  I don't care if he has to drill it out... lock cylinders don't cost much and a locksmith won't cost anything (roadside assistance is pretty awesome).

Cars of that vintage were usually pretty easy to get into the trunk by taking out the back seat, drive-ins use to hate that.  Or so I have heard.   :whistling:

Then too I have seen more than a few trunks drilled for easy screw driver operation.  If roadside assistance will cover the cost I would say what the hey, drill baby drill.      :rotf:
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #259 on: July 22, 2013, 08:44:36 PM »
I wonder if this 2-bbl Autolite even has a choke on it.  It starts up like it's cold-natured, or like it's not getting enough fuel when it's cold.

It sort of runs that way down the road too.  It just feels weak.  I have yet to replace the cap/rotor, thermostat, or plugs, though.  I should be able to do that during the week if I do one or two things at a time.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #260 on: July 22, 2013, 09:08:10 PM »
I wonder if this 2-bbl Autolite even has a choke on it.  It starts up like it's cold-natured, or like it's not getting enough fuel when it's cold.

It sort of runs that way down the road too.  It just feels weak.  I have yet to replace the cap/rotor, thermostat, or plugs, though.  I should be able to do that during the week if I do one or two things at a time.

If you haven't touched any of the ignition system, I would start with that first before fiddling with the carburetor. 

Have you checked your timing yet?

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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #261 on: July 22, 2013, 09:10:05 PM »
If you haven't touched any of the ignition system, I would start with that first before fiddling with the carburetor. 

Have you checked your timing yet?
Not yet.  I'm not really sure what I should be looking for.  Does that require a timing light?
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #262 on: July 22, 2013, 09:26:39 PM »
Not yet.  I'm not really sure what I should be looking for.  Does that require a timing light?

Ideally, yes.  I'd get an adjustable timing light.  My brother has one, and I use his all the time. :-)

For starters, I would make sure your initial timing is right. 

This might help you:

http://www.custompistols.com/cars/articles/ignition_timing.htm

Do you have vacuum advance, and do you know if it is working?  Have you looked inside the distributor to make sure the advance weights are free (not rusted/broken springs)?


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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #263 on: July 22, 2013, 09:28:16 PM »
I haven't looked at anything. :-)

I'll have to check and see what kind of distributor this is.  It may require more than a cap and rotor.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #264 on: July 22, 2013, 10:55:14 PM »
http://www.custompistols.com/cars/articles/ignition_timing.htm

Do you have vacuum advance, and do you know if it is working?  Have you looked inside the distributor to make sure the advance weights are free (not rusted/broken springs)?
Okay, that's what I thought you were talking about.  I'll give it a shot this weekend.  Supposed to be nice here.

This car has a little over 70k miles on it.  I'm concerned about the timing chain... I don't know if it's ever been replaced.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #265 on: July 22, 2013, 11:15:17 PM »
Okay, that's what I thought you were talking about.  I'll give it a shot this weekend.  Supposed to be nice here.

This car has a little over 70k miles on it.  I'm concerned about the timing chain... I don't know if it's ever been replaced.

My experience is that it takes more than 70K miles to cause any appreciable stretch in a timing chain. 

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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #266 on: July 22, 2013, 11:17:55 PM »
Even one that's 50 years old?

Again, I don't know if this thing's ever been changed.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #267 on: July 23, 2013, 07:44:02 AM »
Okay, that's what I thought you were talking about.  I'll give it a shot this weekend.  Supposed to be nice here.

This car has a little over 70k miles on it.  I'm concerned about the timing chain... I don't know if it's ever been replaced.

When I pulled the 350 out of the Firebird it had the factory chain it was worn some but was still going strong at 160k. So don't worry about that to much unless you are planning to be putting some power to it then you might need to go through the motor. 
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #268 on: July 23, 2013, 07:47:19 AM »
I haven't looked at anything. :-)

I'll have to check and see what kind of distributor this is.  It may require more than a cap and rotor.

Points and condenser? Unless the setup isn't original any more, I'd think that would be what you'd need.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #269 on: July 23, 2013, 09:09:31 AM »
Points and condenser? Unless the setup isn't original any more, I'd think that would be what you'd need.
I already bought the parts but haven't put them on yet.  I was going to do that Sunday but it rained all day.  The only thing I had time for was replacing the fuel pump.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #270 on: July 23, 2013, 04:23:55 PM »
Even one that's 50 years old?

Again, I don't know if this thing's ever been changed.

Yup.  Age won't hurt a chain, miles will.   :-)

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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #271 on: July 24, 2013, 06:14:13 PM »
Got it.  The key wasn't going in fully.  I tapped the end with a hammer and it slid in all the way.  Seems to be working fine now.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #272 on: July 26, 2013, 11:12:30 PM »
My brother has a timing light I can use.

It's on. :II:
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #273 on: July 27, 2013, 07:57:43 PM »
That's an improvement.  I replaced the distributor cap, rotor, and spark plugs.  It's running smoother but still takes 2-3 tries to get it to start up after sitting overnight or for a few hours.
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Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
« Reply #274 on: July 27, 2013, 11:46:17 PM »
That's an improvement.  I replaced the distributor cap, rotor, and spark plugs.  It's running smoother but still takes 2-3 tries to get it to start up after sitting overnight or for a few hours.

What kind of carburetor do you have?