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What Is Nothing?
mrclose:
Scientist once believed that atoms were the smallest part of matter .. until they found that they really weren't.
Science has since broken matter down to other, smaller particles like protons, neutrons and electrons.
Then there are these things called 'quarks' and 'charms' just to name a few!
My question: All of these 'particles' are in something .. aren't they?
What happens when the breakdown of particles reaches the very end?
They must exist .. somewhere, in something like space?
Like the planets and stars which exist in space, doesn't matter, no matter (play on words :-)) how small have to exist in a space of some kind?
Is there really such a thing as nothing or will we forever be discovering smaller and smaller particles?:confused:
I know that this question probably cannot be answered but I find it fun to ponder!
To confuse the issue even further ...
I 'stole' this from .. somewhere? :whistling:
--- Quote ---Nothing either exists or it does not.
If it exists, it has the property of Existence, it is then something.
If it does not exist, well... it is only then that it is really nothing.
--- End quote ---
:lmao:
DumbAss Tanker:
It's actually is at the point of breaking my 'willing suspension of disbelief,' thanks to the Higgs Boson. It seems the Standard Model of quantum mechanics breaks down unless you posit a super-particle and throw in many boards of calculation in order to match up and fit the rather elegantly-simple model of space-time on the macro level. The whole thing is starting to smell like just a kludge. Really what we call the macro level is more the meso level, I suspect there are effects we do not understand at work on the truly macro level, leading to kludges on the other end like string theory and dark matter that essentially boil down to magical incantations to make observed macro phenomena fit the model that works on the meso level.
Big Dog:
What is "nothing"?
It is the amount of money left in your wallet after a Proglodyte gets his grubby hands on it.
Next question.
thundley4:
--- Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on June 25, 2015, 02:48:15 PM ---It's actually is at the point of breaking my 'willing suspension of disbelief,' thanks to the Higgs Boson. It seems the Standard Model of quantum mechanics breaks down unless you posit a super-particle and throw in many boards of calculation in order to match up and fit the rather elegantly-simple model of space-time on the macro level. The whole thing is starting to smell like just a kludge. Really what we call the macro level is more the meso level, I suspect there are effects we do not understand at work on the truly macro level, leading to kludges on the other end like string theory and dark matter that essentially boil down to magical incantations to make observed macro phenomena fit the model that works on the meso level.
--- End quote ---
So maybe there is a "magical sky being" that created everything and it is impossible to fully understand his creation. :-)
mrclose:
If nothing exists, its state of existence makes it something rather than nothing.
True nothing must have a state of nonexistence to exist, which, um, means it doesn't exist, doesn't it?
Or... I could just have a cup of tea, which does exist and seldom creates any philosophical issues, at least until the cup is empty, which then contains a full cup of non-tea, a total absence of tea, a nothing state of tea-ness... Sorry.
Off in tangent-land, there. :lmao:
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