https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210983877Oh my.
boston bean (31,505 posts) Thu Aug 9, 2018, 08:52 PM
Dems Like Leftism, Not Bernie Sanders
While the Democratic Party likes, or is at least willing to tolerate, some species of democratic socialism, it really does not like Bernie Sanders*. This is why today’s “mainstream candidates” are defeating Sanders-endorsed candidates despite being far more leftist than mainstream candidates of the past. In other words, they are finding voters who liked Sanders’ message in 2016, but hated the messenger.
I’m willing to bet that after the midterms so-called moderates in the Democratic Party are not going run when critics accuse them of being in bed with socialists. I don’t think they’ll defend socialism but they aren’t going to get hung up on labels either.
They are going to pay attention to what labels can deliver.
Go ahead. Call Medicare for All a socialist plot.
Fact is, it’s popular.
*Why? Easy. He wounded Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
*Democrats of color were suspicious of Sanders from the start, due to his efforts to appeal to Trump voters. Others, like me, are wary of Sanders due to the fact that he did not release his tax returns. Sanders also benefited from Russian propaganda, but has not, to my knowledge, admitted to being helped.
https://stoehr.substack.com/p/dems-like-leftism-not-bernie-sanders-ea5
Unlike MrsCorpio, bean brain, one of the original Four Horsewomen of the Femapocalypse, knows how to draw reactions from her audience:
135 replies, 2039 views
The anti- and pro- primitives yibber-yabber back-and-forth about whether or not the senile old crank from Vermont is popular, and if so, more popular than any other Democrat; the usual case of the supporters of the worthier candidate for the Democrat nomination in 2016 trying to talk some sense into the gimme crowd, but with little or no success.
This however remains franksolich's main gripe about the dissident primitives:
msongs (47,493 posts) Thu Aug 9, 2018, 09:09 PM
10. IMO he wants party member benefits without party committment or accountability
he will gladly take access to publicity, money, emails etc but never is going to join up and be one of us.
Chemisse (27,549 posts) Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:50 PM
117. That bothers me too.
His quick exit from the party after the election was disillusioning.
LisaM (22,825 posts) Thu Aug 9, 2018, 09:13 PM
11. The reality is that Sanders doesn't like US.
I do think he wounded Clinton's campaign,* but the deeper issue isn't that Democrats don't like progressive ideas, or that they even initially disliked Bernie Sanders, it's that we're tired of his picking on us.
He's made it consistently clear that he disdains the Democratic party. His candidates in primary season even gave branded themselves differently. I'm not sure where the animus came from on his part, but - speaking as someone who used to like him - it's difficult to keep listening to his diatribes about Democrats day in and day out.
I'd be far more interested in seeing him try to run against Republicans, but all he seems to know is running against Democrats. I think that's why peoples' opinions of him have shifted. It's hard to like someone who is relentlessly critical.
*".....wounded it....." hell; the hoary old white-haired sourassed sourpuss crank from Vermont and his thieving wife came perilously close to depriving her of what was hers to have; it's a damned good thing Messalina Agrippina reacted in a constructive manner, rescuing her candidacy.
