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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: USA4ME on July 19, 2019, 10:37:46 AM
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David the Gnome
One of the largest problems facing the globe today is the millions of people displaced from their homes. In addition to the millions who have none. I have been thinking about a possible project for socioeconomic experimentation – upon success it could be implemented on a wider scale.
Only a volunteer group of those wishing to engage, between refugees, the homeless and project members. The ultimate purpose of the experiment would be to see if, on a small scale, we can right many of society’s wrongs and injustices – and provide a level of socioeconomic equality previously unknown. Also, sustainability in the long-term.
To begin with – a certain acreage (to be determined by overall project size) of land that will be declared “neutral” ground. That is, no Nationality, no religion, no primary language required and so on and so forth. The land to use would have to be fertile for the growth of various crops – and large in size (proportionate to population) to provide more than enough space for homes, businesses, centers for education and so on and so forth.
On a small scale, it could be simply regulated. Project managers would include individuals with high expertise in organic farming, constructers (carpenters, masons, etc.), physicians and educators. Primarily, the sort of people you need to get a new, modern settlement going. Energy usage could be limited to renewable/green energy. Automobiles and such would be limited to the same. This would provide limits on power availability, consumption, carbon emission and so on.
I am thinking of apprenticeships for these various fields of expertise. The volunteer project members – both those responsible for manage and oversight – and the general resettling populace, to begin with, would be required to build from the ground up. Supplies such as adequate food, medical care, etc. would be provided in measures that cover and surpass expert suggestions of what is necessary. Temporary housing meeting community guidelines could be offered, but should be limited to encourage overall population engagement in construction and development of community.
As far as who can take part – I am thinking a body like the UN or something similar. Every Nation wishing to take part must contribute equally in terms of finance and expertise. Non-aggression pacts to be signed by all who participate. Oversight should include a board of international diplomats, with international, general consensus.
I’ve got a million different ideas for this – but I’m thinking about a community that would be – not a utopia – but the best humanity is currently capable of. A project that would encourage and give hope to the best and brightest of us. More than a project really – a blueprint for how to solve many of our society’s largest problems.
Understand, these are just ideas and theories, I’m not an expert or anything – but I think this would be a great thing to do. We could severely limit project organizers, volunteers and so on to be vetted as to integrity, overall decency, diplomatic ability and so on and so forth. Early on, I’ve got a couple pages of notes with general ideas for this, but as my knowledge of settlement building is limited, I wonder what others could contribute.
A security force, international, could be vetted to the extent that they surpass even the legendary untouchables. A bill of rights could be determined to provide freedom of and from religion, but also its free practice in homes and places of worship. A general tax (income, goods, etc.) of 20% across the board, supplemented if necessary (the hope would be a self sustaining community) by member Nations.
Could something like this be done? Would the Nations of the world have an interest? Could we convince benevolent people of wealth to engage? What of expert doctors, instructors, constructors and so on? Give them a task to build an ideal (to the extent possible) settlement and organized community, in which there is focused on provision, personal freedom, healthcare, education (and so on) for all. A settlement in which we could try doing things the right way, just to see what the hell happens.
I know this could be easily abused or destroyed – but surely many Nations would be interested in making the attempt? If successful, it could lead to greater cooperation between Nations, perhaps, even, in time… peace.
I’d be grateful for any thoughts and ideas, criticisms and so on.
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/refugee-resettlement-and-experimental-theoretical-ideas/
I realize this might be a tl;dr for several here, but I personally enjoy reading their fanatical musings and found this one to be one of the more :mental: I've run across lately. Enjoy!
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I’d be grateful for any thoughts and ideas, criticisms and so on.
Ok. You're a ****in' idiot.
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If I were ruler of the world ... (https://media1.tenor.com/images/6ab0c20cb80fb9fa2d625c46536f8b33/tenor.gif)
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And we can call it "Atlantis" :stoner:
Unicorns can provide transportation, money trees will provide shade and financing, and there will be free marijuana for all.
And hilliary can be president! :-)
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Sorry, gnomish Dave.
What you're suggesting is nothing new, and besides, American history from about 1810 to 1850 is full of such rustic communal experiments that never worked out.
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Sorry, gnomish Dave.
What you're suggesting is nothing new, and besides, American history from about 1810 to 1850 is full of such rustic communal experiments that never worked out.
Just like socialism and communism, it has never been implemented correctly and that I why it has always failed in the past. Gnomish Dave is smart enough to make it work though. /DU
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Just like socialism and communism, it has never been implemented correctly and that I why it has always failed in the past. Gnomish Dave is smart enough to make it work though. /DU
can you say "Collective Farms?"
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possible project for socioeconomic experimentation – upon success it could be implemented on a wider scale.
I quit reading right then and there.
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can you say "Collective Farms?"
Kolkhoz
followed by
Holodomor
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Land suitable for occupation is already occupied.
People with valuable technical skills are already employed.
But you think a society, its infrastructure, and the materials required are just going to be available.
Meanwhile, you have no laws, no law enforcement, no means for dealing with inevitable offenses or even simple grievances. No security against marauders.
Please. Proceed.
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It would end up being a dystopian wasteland.
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To begin with – a certain acreage (to be determined by overall project size) of land that will be declared “neutral” ground. That is, no Nationality, no religion, no primary language required and so on and so forth. The land to use would have to be fertile for the growth of various crops – and large in size (proportionate to population) to provide more than enough space for homes, businesses, centers for education and so on and so forth.
In 10 minutes they would organize into a hierarchy, followed by a dictatorship - the easiest social structure. Soon there will be the elite eating grape leaves and the workers who will be responsible for their own sustenance and staying in the good graces of the elite.
Human nature.
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In 10 minutes they would organize into a hierarchy, followed by a dictatorship - the easiest social structure. Soon there will be the elite eating grape leaves and the workers who will be responsible for their own sustenance and staying in the good graces of the elite.
Human nature.
I suspect gnomish Dave perhaps sees himself as one of the policy-makers for the enterprise, sitting around the kitchen table in a warm house yik-yakking philosophy while everybody else is outside doing the hoeing, ploughing, planting, weeding, watering, harvesting.
And as philosophizing is hard work, he'll get rib-eye and lobster while the drones'll get gruel.
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I suspect gnomish Dave perhaps sees himself as one of the policy-makers for the enterprise...
They all do. If there's anything every last one of these pea-wits has in common with each other, it would be this delusion of adequacy...
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They all do. If there's anything every last one of these pea-wits has in common with each other, it would be this delusion of adequacy...
It's funny how nobody in a communal living situation never volunteers to do the actual work--cooking, cleaning, repairing, whatnot--and so such things have to be assigned.
Everybody wants to sit around the kitchen table yakking.
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He dishonors the titular protagonist of a wonderful old animated show by choosing that as his DU handle.
A few little chestnuts I noticed in his pretentious musings:
"As far as who can take part – I am thinking a body like the UN or something similar."
Oh yeah, because the UN has such an awesome track record when it comes to promoting peace and unity! LOL!
" Non-aggression pacts to be signed by all who participate."
Oh yeah, because WW2 proved how wonderfully non- aggression pacts work!
"I’ve got a million different ideas for this – but I’m thinking about a community that would be – not a utopia – but the best humanity is currently capable of. A project that would encourage and give hope to the best and brightest of us. More than a project really – a blueprint for how to solve many of our society’s largest problems."
Many of the worst dictatorships in human history were started on such goals.
"Understand, these are just ideas and theories, I’m not an expert or anything"
Understatement of the decade!
"A bill of rights could be determined to provide freedom of and from religion, but also its free practice in homes and places of worship."
This part right away stuck out for me: The DUmmy is saying that, in this nutty dystopia, the only places where people of faith (By which I'm sure he mainly is referring to Christians) will have the right to freely practice their beliefs will be in their homes and in places of worship. In other words, Christians attempting to peacefully demonstrate on public property (i.e. the sidewalk outside a Planned Parenthood clinic) would be illegal, Christian clubs in schools would be illegal, Christian events in public areas (i.e. Christian music concerts) would be illegal, and if I were a member of this dystopia, my faith- and- pop- culture blog would likely also be deemed illegal.
It's what the secular Left has long craved, a way to crush the religious rights of Christians while claiming to be acting in the name of providing "Freedom of and from religion," and that whole screed offers a peek at the kind of dictatorship they REALLY want to impose.
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There is NO unoccupied land on this earth. For this to work the UN would have to take land from people who already own it. Your magic paradise would of necessity be born out of war. The neighbors would be hostile wondering if they are next, and would arm themselves for potential conflict.
Given the Lefty track record the place would be a shithole in a year. People do not value that which they get for free. Look at all the American free/subsidized housing - nothing more than ghettos now.
the world need capitalism and freedom, neither or which Lefty is willing to offer
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I’ve got a million different ideas for this – Early on, I’ve got a couple pages of notes with general ideas for this
Appreciate the comments. Yeah, my initial thought was if he's spending hours upon hours doing this at least he not out in the general public where he can shoot up patrons at a mall or anything.
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I hope Dave The DUchebag had some type of screen protector for when he finally let go of his load on his computer after that bile he wrote while fapping furiously to his bullshit dream/nightmare.
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Appreciate the comments. Yeah, my initial thought was if he's spending hours upon hours doing this at least he not out in the general public where he can shoot up patrons at a mall or anything.
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Is David the Gnome one of those DU-folk who can't manage to spend a few hours a day doing something to earn $$ for his own support?
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To begin with – a certain acreage (to be determined by overall project size) of land that will be declared “neutral” ground. That is, no Nationality, no religion, no primary language required and so on and so forth. The land to use would have to be fertile for the growth of various crops – and large in size (proportionate to population) to provide more than enough space for homes, businesses, centers for education and so on and so forth.
On a small scale, it could be simply regulated. Project managers would include individuals with high expertise in organic farming, constructers (carpenters, masons, etc.), physicians and educators.
Just one small point (in a suggestion which has holes large enough to fly a plane through) - if there is no primary language, how would the educators educate? Pretty much the whole of my education was carried out in the English language, which worked well because the educator and student both spoke it.
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There is NO unoccupied land on this earth. For this to work the UN would have to take land from people who already own it. Your magic paradise would of necessity be born out of war. The neighbors would be hostile wondering if they are next, and would arm themselves for potential conflict.
Given the Lefty track record the place would be a shithole in a year. People do not value that which they get for free. Look at all the American free/subsidized housing - nothing more than ghettos now.
the world need capitalism and freedom, neither or which Lefty is willing to offer
Lots of desert and tundra.
You could fit all of the world's population into Texas. Each would have about 180 square feet. (7.5 trillion square feet / 8 billion people)
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Lots of desert and tundra.
You could fit all of the world's population into Texas. Each would have about 180 square feet. (7.5 trillion square feet / 8 billion people)
Antarctica is prime development territory, send them there.
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He wants "the best and brightest" running this pipe dream? Well, that leaves anyone from the DUmp out.
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Is David the Gnome one of those DU-folk who can't manage to spend a few hours a day doing something to earn $$ for his own support?
Ask, and thou shall receive:
"gnomish dave letting it all out" (April 8, 2019 and before)
https://conservativecave.com/cave/index.php/topic,119954.msg1447316.html#msg1447316
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He wants "the best and brightest" running this pipe dream? Well, that leaves anyone from the DUmp out.
If you thought the DUmp was the island of misfit toys, that JackassPineRadicals site is like solitary confinement.