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Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« on: July 12, 2013, 06:52:08 AM »
With an Arab population in Palestine under Israeli control about to reach parity with Jewish numbers, all good Zionists are returning to their roots in search of a solution to their demographic problem: separation or transfer.

"In 1895 Theodor Herzl, Zionism's chief prophet, confided in his diary that he did not favour sharing Palestine with the natives. Better, he wrote, to 'try to spirit the penniless [Palestinian] population across the border by denying it any employment in our own country Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.'

"He was proposing a programme of Palestinian emigration enforced through a policy of strict separation between Jewish immigrants and the indigenous population. In simple terms, he hoped that, once Zionist organisations had bought up large areas of Palestine and owned the main sectors of the economy, Palestinians could be made to leave by denying them rights to work the land or labour in the Jewish-run economy.

"His vision was one of transfer, or ethnic cleansing, through ethnic separation."

What sort of "vision" of national liberation requires building its very existence on the colonization of another people?
One that in each and every case allies itself with the powers of world imperialism.

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 06:55:12 AM »
How exactly is Israel "colonizing" a group of nomads that never had a homeland to begin with?

What sort of "vision" requires rocket attacks suicide bombs on school busses and mortar attacks on peaceful neighborhoods?

The Palestinian vision that's what.

Interesting taht you keep finding these ancient never before heard of "experts" and so called "leaders" of the Jewish faith to base your hatred and racism on...instead of looking at official Israeli governmental policy here in the 21st Century.

Is that because if you were honest we'd all see you for the race baiting Islamo nazi supporting bigot you really are?
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2013, 07:24:28 AM »
How exactly is Israel "colonizing" a group of nomads that never had a homeland to begin with?

What sort of "vision" requires rocket attacks suicide bombs on school busses and mortar attacks on peaceful neighborhoods?

The Palestinian vision that's what.

Interesting taht you keep finding these ancient never before heard of "experts" and so called "leaders" of the Jewish faith to base your hatred and racism on...instead of looking at official Israeli governmental policy here in the 21st Century.

Is that because if you were honest we'd all see you for the race baiting Islamo nazi supporting bigot you really are?

650,000 (mostly) European Jews inflicted their nation upon 1.2 million Arabs in Palestine in 1948.
700,000 Arabs were evicted from their homes, businesses, and bank accounts by those colonizing their land.
If you're honestly ignorant of Theodor Hetzl's "ancient" contribution to that colonization, try reading.

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 07:28:42 AM »
Hey george, you need to modify your last post so that it becomes readable.

And accurate, see how easy it is.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 07:33:05 AM »
What part are you having trouble comprehending?

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2013, 07:34:57 AM »
What part are you having trouble comprehending?

Just the part with you mis quoting TXRadioguy, that's all.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2013, 07:38:28 AM »
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650,000 (mostly) European Jews inflicted their nation upon 1.2 million Arabs in Palestine in 1948.

That is simply a lie.  For one the Palestinians were offered their own homeland.  It's right there in black and white in U.N. Resolution 181 presented in 1948, accepted by the Jewish representatives and rejected by the ENTIRE Arab world.

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700,000 Arabs were evicted from their homes, businesses, and bank accounts by those colonizing their land.

You're trying to blame Jews for something done...legally by the U.N.

Those alleged evicted Arabs did it to themselves by rejection the partition plan.  They had everything they wanted right htere nearly 70 years ago.  But their hatred of Jews was stonger than their desire for their own state.  Which they proved by immediately attack Israel shortly after they were recognized as a country in 1948.

THAT is why they are in the sorry situation they're in today.


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If you're honestly ignorant of Theodor Hetzl's "ancient" contribution to that colonization, try reading.

I've read plenty.  But it's appearent that you don't read anything other than anti-Semetic propaganda.

Hell you won't even read the U.N. resolution that disproves your bullshit.


Both the Arab State and the Jewish State proposed by the Plan of Partition with Economic Union set out in CHAPTER VI: RECOMMENDATIONS (III) of the UNSCOP report of 3 September 1947 were composed of three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads. The Arab State would receive the Western Galilee, with the town of Acre, the hill country of Samaria and Judea, and the southern coast stretching from north of Isdud (now Ashdod) and encompassing what is now the Gaza Strip, with a section of desert along the Egyptian border. The Jewish State would receive the Coastal Plain, stretching from Haifa to Rehovot, the Eastern Galilee (surrounding the Sea of Galilee and including the Galilee panhandle) and the Negev, including the southern outpost of Umm Rashrash (now Eilat). The Corpus Separatum included Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and the surrounding areas.
 
The Plan tried its best to accommodate as many Jews as possible into the Jewish State. In many specific cases,[citation needed] this meant including areas of Arab majority (but with a significant Jewish minority) in the Jewish state. Thus the Jewish State would have an overall large Arab minority. Areas that were sparsely populated (like the Negev), were also included in the Jewish state to create room for immigration. According to the plan, Jews and Arabs living in the Jewish state would become citizens of the Jewish state and Jews and Arabs living in the Arab state would become citizens of the Arab state.
 
By virtue of Chapter 3, Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, resided in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem would, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they were resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.
 
The Plan would have had the following demographics (data based on 1945). This data does not reflect the actual land ownership by Jews, local Arabs, Ottomans and other land owners. This data also excludes the land designated to Arabs in Transjordan.



The land allocated to the Arab State in the final plan included about 43% of Mandatory Palestine[15][unreliable source?] and consisted of all of the highlands, except for Jerusalem, plus one-third of the coastline. The highlands contain the major aquifers of Palestine, which supplied water to the coastal cities of central Palestine, including Tel Aviv.[16][unreliable source?] The Jewish State was to receive 56% of Mandatory Palestine, a slightly larger area to accommodate the increasing numbers of Jews who would immigrate there.[15][unreliable source?] The Jewish State included three fertile lowland plains – the Sharon on the coast, the Jezreel Valley and the upper Jordan Valley. The bulk of the proposed Jewish State's territory, however, consisted of the Negev Desert. The desert was not suitable for agriculture, nor for urban development at that time. The Jewish State would also be given sole access to the Red Sea.

Arab leaders threatened the Jewish population of Palestine, speaking of "driving the Jews into the sea" and ridding Palestine "of the Zionist Plague".[43] On 16 February 1948, UN Palestine Commission to the security council reported that: "Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein."[44] On 20 May 1948, Azzam told reporters "We are fighting for an Arab Palestine. Whatever the outcome the Arabs will stick to their offer of equal citizenship for Jews in Arab Palestine and let them be as Jewish as they like. In areas where they predominate they will have complete autonomy."[45]

The partition plan was never fully implemented. On May 14, 1948, the day on which the British Mandate over Palestine expired, the Jewish People's Council gathered at the Tel Aviv Museum, and approved a proclamation, declaring "the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz Israel, to be known as the State of Israel".[58] The 1948 Arab–Israeli War began with the invasion of, or intervention in, Palestine[59] by the Arab States on 15 May 1948.

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Like I said...the Jew hating Arabs did it to themselves.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2013, 07:42:38 AM »
I've heard this kind of stuff before.

After Europe tried their darndest to exterminate the "Jewish Problem" what does george expect the Jews to do now.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2013, 07:45:44 AM »
I've heard this kind of stuff before.

After Europe tried their darndest to exterminate the "Jewish Problem" what does george expect the Jews to do now.

We should have just gone quietly to the showers and not caused a fuss...
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2013, 07:49:14 AM »
We should have just gone quietly to the showers and not caused a fuss...

Yeah,

The only reason I ask is that if one can see a problem one should offer a resolution.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2013, 07:59:12 AM »
Actually, the Jews only took back their home in 1948. Sorry, God said it was theirs, and that the Jewish nation would be restored one day. I don't know who can stop him.

In fact the home they have now is smaller than what the Bible teaches. In the Bible, Israel is supposed to go from the north of Iran's borders, to the Suez Canal, and east to Afghanistan. One day they'll have all that, and they will live in peace. So if you ask me... Arabs are the ones encroaching.

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2013, 08:04:08 AM »
So if you ask me... Arabs are the ones encroaching.

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2013, 09:06:53 AM »
With an Arab population in Palestine under Israeli control about to reach parity with Jewish numbers, all good Zionists are returning to their roots in search of a solution to their demographic problem: separation or transfer.

"In 1895 Theodor Herzl, Zionism's chief prophet, confided in his diary that he did not favour sharing Palestine with the natives. Better, he wrote, to 'try to spirit the penniless [Palestinian] population across the border by denying it any employment in our own country Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.'

"He was proposing a programme of Palestinian emigration enforced through a policy of strict separation between Jewish immigrants and the indigenous population. In simple terms, he hoped that, once Zionist organisations had bought up large areas of Palestine and owned the main sectors of the economy, Palestinians could be made to leave by denying them rights to work the land or labour in the Jewish-run economy.

"His vision was one of transfer, or ethnic cleansing, through ethnic separation."

What sort of "vision" of national liberation requires building its very existence on the colonization of another people?
One that in each and every case allies itself with the powers of world imperialism.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Zionism's_Dead_End.html

There is just enough truth in this post to mask that the majority of its assumptions are blatantly false.  Herzl's assumptions regarding the Arabs were based on the fact that Islam has a historical enmity towards Jews and Judaism, going back to its foundational documents, and as a result, any peaceful coexistence would be almost impossible, but fortunately, there was very little in the way of Arab population.  In fact, the original Jewish settlers bought their land from absentee landlords who lacked tenants for farming.  The land was fallow and with the exception of a few cities, unpopulated.  The Ottoman censuses for the 19th century showed this, and also recorded an important fact, which the Arab apologists ignore, which is that Jerusalem was a Jewish-majority city, despite centuries of dhimmi status.  The Arab population began to increase as the Jewish settlers began to irrigate deserts and drain swamps, creating economic opportunities.  This is why the Jewish majority cities saw the highest rate of growth in Arab populations, more so than in Arab majority cities. 

Another critical point is that the Israelis did not seek to expel the Arabs.  Jews actively avoided purchasing populated land, concentrating on uncultivated swamps and deserts, which were cheaper and less likely to displace tenant farmers.  In 1920, David Ben-Gurion called the Arab fellahin “the most important asset of the native population,” and “under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them.” “Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.”  The Partition plan would have created Jewish majority enclaves within the borders of what became Israel, in areas where Jews were already a majority.  It was Arab intransigence, the refusal of Muslims to allow any Jewish state, no matter how small, that forced the issue.  The Peel Report, issued after the 1936 Arab revolt, identified the causes of the Arab riots:

Chapter IV. - The Disturbances of 1936

These disturbances (which are briefly summarized) were similar in character to the four previous outbreaks, although more serious and prolonged. As in 1933, it was not only the Jews who were attacked, but the Palestine Government. A new feature was the part played by the Rulers of the neighbouring Arab States in bringing about the end of the strike.

The underlying causes of the disturbances of 1936 were--

(1) The desire of the Arabs for national independence;

(2) their hatred and fear of the establishment of the Jewish National Home.

These two causes were the same as those of all the previous outbreaks and have always been inextricably linked together. Of several subsidiary factors, the more important were--

(1) the advance of Arab nationalism outside Palestine;

(2) the increased immigration of Jews since 1933;

(3) the opportunity enjoyed by the Jews for influencing public opinion in Britain;

(4) Arab distrust in the sincerity of the British Government;

(5) Arab alarm at the continued Jewish purchase of land;

(6) the general uncertainty as to the ultimate intentions of the Mandatory Power.[/i]

Peel concluded that partition was necessary to keep the peace, but the Arab Muslims (Arab Christians were not hostile to partition) refused.

The neighboring Arab states directed the Muslim population to vacate their homes so that they would have a free hand in their genocidal campaign against the Jews.   They weren't driven out by Israelis, they abandoned their homes in order to facilitate genocide.  And what you failed to mention was that in the period immediately after the establishment of Israel, the Arab states expelled most of their Jewish populations, usually with just the clothes on their backs, and the property left behind by these refugees could have easily been used to assimilate the Arab refugees, but those states made a deliberate decision to keep the Palestinians in camps, and use them as a propaganda tool.  Part of this was based on crass economics.  The UN took on the responsibility for feeding the refugees and issued ration cards, and since this was bringing food and money into the camps, the regimes decided to milk this.  One trick was to open their jails and transport their indigent to the camps, where they immediately became "Palestinians" (despite never having set foot in Palestine), thus swelling the refugee population.  Another was to register people under multiple names, which allowed them to hold multiple ration cards (further swelling the number of refugees).  Deceased persons were not declared, so their ration cards remained active (any Cook County voter registrar can tell you how that trick works), and births were falsified. 

Finally, there was no such thing as a "Palestinian" until the nomadic Arabs found themselves in camps in the Jordanian and Egyptian occupied zones.  The name Palestine came from Roman maps of the region that the British used when they accepted the League of Nations mandate, and that name was the result of the Roman suppression of the last Judean revolt.  After the Romans sacked Jersusalem and killed as many Judeans as they could, they imposed a series of punitive measures on the survivors, one of which was the renaming of the province after the hereditary enemy of the Judeans, the Philistines.  Thus, Judea became Syria Palestina, or Syrian Palestine.  The Jewish presence remained, uninterrupted, in the major cities. 

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2013, 09:11:15 AM »
There is just enough truth in this post to mask that the majority of its assumptions are blatantly false.  Herzl's assumptions regarding the Arabs were based on the fact that Islam has a historical enmity towards Jews and Judaism, going back to its foundational documents, and as a result, any peaceful coexistence would be almost impossible, but fortunately, there was very little in the way of Arab population.  In fact, the original Jewish settlers bought their land from absentee landlords who lacked tenants for farming.  The land was fallow and with the exception of a few cities, unpopulated.  The Ottoman censuses for the 19th century showed this, and also recorded an important fact, which the Arab apologists ignore, which is that Jerusalem was a Jewish-majority city, despite centuries of dhimmi status.  The Arab population began to increase as the Jewish settlers began to irrigate deserts and drain swamps, creating economic opportunities.  This is why the Jewish majority cities saw the highest rate of growth in Arab populations, more so than in Arab majority cities. 

Another critical point is that the Israelis did not seek to expel the Arabs.  Jews actively avoided purchasing populated land, concentrating on uncultivated swamps and deserts, which were cheaper and less likely to displace tenant farmers.  In 1920, David Ben-Gurion called the Arab fellahin “the most important asset of the native population,” and “under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them.” “Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.”  The Partition plan would have created Jewish majority enclaves within the borders of what became Israel, in areas where Jews were already a majority.  It was Arab intransigence, the refusal of Muslims to allow any Jewish state, no matter how small, that forced the issue.  The Peel Report, issued after the 1936 Arab revolt, identified the causes of the Arab riots:

Chapter IV. - The Disturbances of 1936

These disturbances (which are briefly summarized) were similar in character to the four previous outbreaks, although more serious and prolonged. As in 1933, it was not only the Jews who were attacked, but the Palestine Government. A new feature was the part played by the Rulers of the neighbouring Arab States in bringing about the end of the strike.

The underlying causes of the disturbances of 1936 were--

(1) The desire of the Arabs for national independence;

(2) their hatred and fear of the establishment of the Jewish National Home.

These two causes were the same as those of all the previous outbreaks and have always been inextricably linked together. Of several subsidiary factors, the more important were--

(1) the advance of Arab nationalism outside Palestine;

(2) the increased immigration of Jews since 1933;

(3) the opportunity enjoyed by the Jews for influencing public opinion in Britain;

(4) Arab distrust in the sincerity of the British Government;

(5) Arab alarm at the continued Jewish purchase of land;

(6) the general uncertainty as to the ultimate intentions of the Mandatory Power.[/i]

Peel concluded that partition was necessary to keep the peace, but the Arab Muslims (Arab Christians were not hostile to partition) refused.

The neighboring Arab states directed the Muslim population to vacate their homes so that they would have a free hand in their genocidal campaign against the Jews.   They weren't driven out by Israelis, they abandoned their homes in order to facilitate genocide.  And what you failed to mention was that in the period immediately after the establishment of Israel, the Arab states expelled most of their Jewish populations, usually with just the clothes on their backs, and the property left behind by these refugees could have easily been used to assimilate the Arab refugees, but those states made a deliberate decision to keep the Palestinians in camps, and use them as a propaganda tool.  Part of this was based on crass economics.  The UN took on the responsibility for feeding the refugees and issued ration cards, and since this was bringing food and money into the camps, the regimes decided to milk this.  One trick was to open their jails and transport their indigent to the camps, where they immediately became "Palestinians" (despite never having set foot in Palestine), thus swelling the refugee population.  Another was to register people under multiple names, which allowed them to hold multiple ration cards (further swelling the number of refugees).  Deceased persons were not declared, so their ration cards remained active (any Cook County voter registrar can tell you how that trick works), and births were falsified. 

Finally, there was no such thing as a "Palestinian" until the nomadic Arabs found themselves in camps in the Jordanian and Egyptian occupied zones.  The name Palestine came from Roman maps of the region that the British used when they accepted the League of Nations mandate, and that name was the result of the Roman suppression of the last Judean revolt.  After the Romans sacked Jersusalem and killed as many Judeans as they could, they imposed a series of punitive measures on the survivors, one of which was the renaming of the province after the hereditary enemy of the Judeans, the Philistines.  Thus, Judea became Syria Palestina, or Syrian Palestine.  The Jewish presence remained, uninterrupted, in the major cities. 

A few things:

1. Exellent points, but I think they'll fall on deaf ears. Facts won't help, here.

2. You need to post more!
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2013, 01:08:12 PM »
Well george, where exactly is the mythical nation of "Palestine". Anti semites only seem able to designate palestinian soil if by doing so they can further the anti semite cause.
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2013, 02:46:29 PM »
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2013, 01:03:58 AM »
Zionism is the word bigots like to hide behind. George, you are a bigot and racist of the worst sort.
Take your hate elsewhere.

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2013, 05:43:01 AM »
Well george, where exactly is the mythical nation of "Palestine". Anti semites only seem able to designate palestinian soil if by doing so they can further the anti semite cause.

Lords Balfour and Rothschild were clear on the location of Palestine:

"The Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.[1]"

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2013, 05:50:36 AM »
So Europeans invaded ancient Israel and imposed the Diaspora. Then the faggot Europeans wage centuries of pogroms and genocide against the Jews. The Jews get fed up and go home only to find a bunch of clit slitting sub-savages have moved in. The Jews bring civilization and are condemned for it for being thieves and killers.

The faggot Europeans ought to thank God the Jews don't treat them the way they claim the sand rats are justified in treating the Jews.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2013, 06:03:51 AM »
How exactly is Israel "colonizing" a group of nomads that never had a homeland to begin with?

What sort of "vision" requires rocket attacks suicide bombs on school busses and mortar attacks on peaceful neighborhoods?

The Palestinian vision that's what.

Interesting taht you keep finding these ancient never before heard of "experts" and so called "leaders" of the Jewish faith to base your hatred and racism on...instead of looking at official Israeli governmental policy here in the 21st Century.

Is that because if you were honest we'd all see you for the race baiting Islamo nazi supporting bigot you really are?

Why don't you tell me what percentage of the 700,000 Arabs purged from the Jewish state were nomads as opposed to the number who were living in the 531 towns destroyed by the numerically superior Israeli forces?

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2013, 06:07:07 AM »
blah blah Protocols of the Elders of Zion blah blah drinking the blood of infants blah blah ovens blah blah lampshades

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2013, 06:10:42 AM »
So Europeans invaded ancient Israel and imposed the Diaspora. Then the faggot Europeans wage centuries of pogroms and genocide against the Jews. The Jews get fed up and go home only to find a bunch of clit slitting sub-savages have moved in. The Jews bring civilization and are condemned for it for being thieves and killers.

The faggot Europeans ought to thank God the Jews don't treat them the way they claim the sand rats are justified in treating the Jews.

Only the fed-up European Jews "went home" to an Arab land populated by 96% non-Jews.
"A land without a people for a people without a land" was their first truth-slitting lie.

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2013, 06:18:18 AM »
I like to masturbate to pictures of Ernst Rohm in a diaper



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