Just what most of us thought

[Carl]

Am I? Let me point out since no one knows me yet. I completely support others belief systems if they do not discriminate against, or otherwise harm other humans.

And maybe I was satisfied with the previous answers?

From your original statement...

ts true that I dont believe in god(s), jesus, the whole shebang whether xtain, muslim or hindu

Why is it through the whole thing you could not type out Christian yet had no problem with other religions?

You clearly have an enmity towards Christianity and are poorly trying to say otherwise.

[nogod]

From your original statement...

ts true that I dont believe in god(s), jesus, the whole shebang whether xtain, muslim or hindu

Why is it through the whole thing you could not type out Christian yet had no problem with other religions?

You clearly have an enmity towards Christianity and are poorly trying to say otherwise.

So it is your position just because I typed Xtian I am a anti-Christian? I am a Atheist, I equally ddo not believe all religions, but if we wish to compare which religions have caused humanity the most suffering I think Christianity is in the running. Notice that i said in the running.

 And since your accusing me of being focused on Christianity. Please tell me what party in our two party political system promotes a belief in a higher being? How many major parties wish to make their religion the primary American religion?

Is there a say a muslim center, right or left? How about any other religion? Are we being told we are not American because we do not believe in someone elses god(s)?

I have been told by people in the religious right that I am not a real American based on my personal beliefs. That is neither American nor moral.


I am strongly supportive of the Constitution and our liberties. I am strongly opposed to Socialism and Communism.
I really dont see how my personal beliefs play a part in me being a US citizen. But I do see the similarities of why Our forefathers came to create this great nation. And I am quit sure todays religious right would make most if not all of the framers vomit, just before they dismantled the religious right.

So maybe i do have something against Christianity being forced on us Americans that are supposed to have that freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution.

[Carl]

So it is your position just because I typed Xtian I am a anti-Christian? I am a Atheist, I equally ddo not believe all religions, but if we wish to compare which religions have caused humanity the most suffering I think Christianity is in the running. Notice that i said in the running.

 And since your accusing me of being focused on Christianity. Please tell me what party in our two party political system promotes a belief in a higher being? How many major parties wish to make their religion the primary American religion?

Is there a say a muslim center, right or left? How about any other religion? Are we being told we are not American because we do not believe in someone elses god(s)?

I have been told by people in the religious right that I am not a real American based on my personal beliefs. That is neither American nor moral.


I am strongly supportive of the Constitution and our liberties. I am strongly opposed to Socialism and Communism.
I really dont see how my personal beliefs play a part in me being a US citizen. But I do see the similarities of why Our forefathers came to create this great nation. And I am quit sure todays religious right would make most if not all of the framers vomit, just before they dismantled the religious right.

So maybe i do have something against Christianity being forced on us Americans that are supposed to have that freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution.

Well now,a disinterested atheist suddenly takes a huge jump into another area and direction showing just what I said...a hatred for Christianity alone because they perceive that to be a roadblock to leftist political goals.
At least be honest about it,you couldn`t care less about any other religion on earth.

You make the charge so you provide the evidence...show me where you are forced by the government to worship as a Christian.
Tell me where there has been an attempt by anyone to establish an official religion such as the the church of England.

No dude,the framers would not be the least bit riled by the Christian right simply fighting for the ability to practice their beliefs in the face of those such as you who would destroy all evidence of it to satisfy your own atheism.
Look closely at what you want and you will find IT is the exact thing you accuse Christians of and yes the framers would vomit to know someone wanted to undo the right to freely practice and believe what they wish without your ilk trying to tie a stigma to it.

[nogod]

Well now,a disinterested atheist suddenly takes a huge jump into another area and direction showing just what I said...a hatred for Christianity alone because they perceive that to be a roadblock to leftist political goals.
At least be honest about it,you couldn`t care less about any other religion on earth.

You make the charge so you provide the evidence...show me where you are forced by the government to worship as a Christian.
Tell me where there has been an attempt by anyone to establish an official religion such as the the church of England.

No dude,the framers would not be the least bit riled by the Christian right simply fighting for the ability to practice their beliefs in the face of those such as you who would destroy all evidence of it to satisfy your own atheism.
Look closely at what you want and you will find IT is the exact thing you accuse Christians of and yes the framers would vomit to know someone wanted to undo the right to freely practice and believe what they wish without your ilk trying to tie a stigma to it.

  I am not a f##### leftist.

 "in god we trust"  "one nation under god" "place your hand on the bible and repeat after me" "so help me God"

All of which were installed well after the framers were done.

Just a little advice Atheism does not equal 'left'. And your assumptions about me and who you think i am, speaks huge volumes about yourself. I have simply spoke my opinion on a subject. You choose to personally attack myself rather then the points that i have made. Is it because you cannot return anything substantial?

I never have and never will disallow a fellow American from practicing their faith. I actually promote citizens to enjoy that Constitutional right. You are just assuming that since I said I am a Atheist that I must be against any religious proceedings.
Just listen to me rather then applying all your angst towards me, that should be applied to the actual people that your talking about.

the Christian Right is not "simply fighting for the ability to practice their beliefs" 

It has been said that our laws and government are based on the bible and Christian beliefs. Yet most of the framers were deists, not Christians. Now the religious right is trying to rewrite history and impose biblical law. Which would have the same effect as imposing sharia law, it would replace the government that the framers created.

http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg10a.htm

Contrary to the claims of many accommodationists, virtually nothing in the Constitution references Christian thought and morality. The only explicit mention of religion is the article VI declaration that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Otherwise, the Constitution is wholly concerned with the secular issues of defining federal power, and distributing that power among the various branches of government. Quite against the practice of state constitutions, the federal Constitution does not quote or refer to the Bible, does not set up any religion above another, does not refer to God, and does not raise or rule upon religious questions. It is a remarkably secular document for its day and age.

Our e-mail correspondents have occasionally argued that that the structure of our federal government is derived from the Bible; this claim rests on little more than wishful thinking. The most important features of our federal government include (1) a separation of powers among three branches of government, (2) a bicameral legislature, (3) different modes of representation in each chamber of the legislature, (4) a limited executive, (5) and independent judiciary, and (6) a complex system of checks and balances. No model of government found in the Bible corresponds to this outline. Ancient Israel was governed first by Judges and then by Kings; in neither system was there separation of powers (i.e., the executive acted as both lawmaker and judge), nor was there any clear distinction between secular and religious law. Nowhere in the Old Testament do we find anything like a bicameral legislature, or an independent judiciary. Conversely, the New Testament does not contain a model of government; it simply does not function as a political document in the same way as, eg., the Q'uran does in Islam.

Some accommodationists claim that founders derived the principle of separation of powers from Isaiah 33:22, "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our King; he will save us." Apart from the fact that there is no evidence that this verse was ever referred to by the founders in this context, this argument fails on it's own assumptions: the Constitution sets up an elected executive, not a King, and the tenor of the verse is anti separation-of-powers; it says that all three branches are properly united in one person, the LORD. That the founders would read this verse and derive from it a mandate for divided powers is neither logical nor plausible.

Nor is there any relationship between the Constitution and the 10 Commandments. The Constitution fairly repudiates the first two commandments (i.e., it leaves us free to worship other Gods than the LORD, and to make graven images), and is silent on commandments three through ten. Laws against blasphemy, Sabbath breaking, dishonoring parents, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, and coveting are left entirely to the states.

[Carl]

  I am not a f##### leftist.

 "in god we trust"  "one nation under god" "place your hand on the bible and repeat after me" "so help me God"

All of which were installed well after the framers were done.

Just a little advice Atheism does not equal 'left'. And your assumptions about me and who you think i am, speaks huge volumes about yourself. I have simply spoke my opinion on a subject. You choose to personally attack myself rather then the points that i have made. Is it because you cannot return anything substantial?

I never have and never will disallow a fellow American from practicing their faith. I actually promote citizens to enjoy that Constitutional right. You are just assuming that since I said I am a Atheist that I must be against any religious proceedings.
Just listen to me rather then applying all your angst towards me, that should be applied to the actual people that your talking about.

the Christian Right is not "simply fighting for the ability to practice their beliefs" 

It has been said that our laws and government are based on the bible and Christian beliefs. Yet most of the framers were deists, not Christians. Now the religious right is trying to rewrite history and impose biblical law. Which would have the same effect as imposing sharia law, it would replace the government that the framers created.

http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg10a.htm

Your hysterics do not impress me nor change anything,by your own admission you come here from Old Elm Tree...a site for cast off DUmmies and as leftist as any could be.
Why would you have been a part of that and when banned now you land here claiming you are not a leftist.
Your first two posts here were in the Religious discussion forum,mocking God and Christianity,not exactly a hobby of conservatives.

Your attempts to paint yourself as simply wanting discussion are tripped up by the facts on the ground and the bolded part of your quote proves that you are a lunatic and or an idiot.
Please show me where anyone is attempting to do what you say...anywhere in this country...you can`t because it isn`t happening.

Want to cry about "In God we trust" on a coin...tough,if the majority of the country have a problem with it our representatives will change it.
Evidently their freedom to believe what they want is not as important as your sensitivities,but militant atheism doesn`t care.
You are the one doing all you can to impose your belief system on everyone else and the fact is what you came here to push proves it.

[Doc]

  "place your hand on the bible and repeat after me" "so help me God"

All of which were installed well after the framers were done.

Completely untrue, and an attempt on your part to "rewrite history" as you accuse Christians of doing.  A bit of research will teach you that George Washington, our first president, and "Father of our Country", was sworn in on a Masonic Bible that has been used to swear in many presidents since. This same Bible was used to open the Continental Congress well before our Constitution was ratified.

His final words when taking the oath were "so help me God".....

If you are interested Washington's inaugural Bible (and its history for the founders) it is on display at the George Washington Masonic Memorial in Alexandria, VA. True, many of the founders were Deists, and many were Christians, however you will find few, if any, true atheists as you define the term.

But I digress......I asked you a question above, and am still patiently awaiting your answer.

doc

[nogod]

Your hysterics do not impress me nor change anything,by your own admission you come here from Old Elm Tree...a site for cast off DUmmies and as leftist as any could be.
Why would you have been a part of that and when banned now you land here claiming you are not a leftist.
Your first two posts here were in the Religious discussion forum,mocking God and Christianity,not exactly a hobby of conservatives.

Your attempts to paint yourself as simply wanting discussion are tripped up by the facts on the ground and the bolded part of your quote proves that you are a lunatic and or an idiot.
Please show me where anyone is attempting to do what you say...anywhere in this country...you can`t because it isn`t happening.

Want to cry about "In God we trust" on a coin...tough,if the majority of the country have a problem with it our representatives will change it.
Evidently their freedom to believe what they want is not as important as your sensitivities,but militant atheism doesn`t care.
You are the one doing all you can to impose your belief system on everyone else and the fact is what you came here to push proves it.

lol ok fine use that logic believe me to be what you want. I have told you  now more then once that I am not a Socialist. And I also explained why I was at OET in the first place. If you refuse to believe what i say then why should I care?


I mean no matter how many times you tell me what to think it wont make me think what you want. It would seem that this site is much like OET after all.

I say one thing then people like you say that I meant something entirely different. then when  I point out that, that person is misrepresenting my own words then the accusations fly. Go ahead go with that position, feel free to call me a leftist all you want. It will not change the fact that I am not a leftist.

You my friend remind me of the reason I was leaving OET in the first place. And so far the waters are looking rather choppy here.

[Splashdown]

Oi. You come here from post one and seek to proselytize YOUR religion onto us, and then project the idea that some phantom "Religious Right" is seeking to impose the Christian version of Sharia law on the United States.

Isn't it funny that some atheists are bent on imposing their version of the truth on us as any doorbell ringing Jehovah's Witness?