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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2008, 07:24:35 PM »
BTW, while I do not support gay marriage, and do support civil unions, I could really care less about either. The government needs to get OUT of the damn marriage business all together. We NEED the Fair Tax. Screw everything else. With the Fair Tax, none of that shit matters anyway. Gays can find their own churches to marry'em and it's not my problem.

Me? I'm a staunch fiscal conservative and a "leave me the **** alone" on everything else.
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2008, 08:43:08 PM »
The purpose of conservatism is to allow those degraded and wretched folks out of the Democratic Welfare Plantation and into the work force, where they can begin to build true self-esteem and personal wealth...something the Dims will never allow them to have.  Free the serfs!!!!!!
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2008, 09:41:29 PM »
In other words this is just a yes man society and not a place for the free and open exchange of ideas.  You either cannot defend what you say you believe, or you are afraid to try.

Actually it's because I don't really give a **** what you think, and what I posted represented the largest investment of my own valuable time as I cared to make, in what had every indication of being a troll post in the first place.  So FOAD, troll.

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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2008, 09:54:13 PM »
So what of it?  I ask a simple question and none of you so-called conservatives can give me a simple, straightforward answer.  All you can offer is hostility and belligerence for someone just they might disagree with you.

As I suspected it would be, this board just another left wing/libertarian clique that is a waste of time.


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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2008, 12:51:56 AM »
Not a mole at all. He/she posted his/her stupidity (thus DU quals) on the OP.

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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2008, 02:05:06 AM »
Dollars to donuts says this guy is from the Ron Paul forums.

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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2008, 02:23:04 AM »
Dollars to donuts says this guy is from the Ron Paul forums.

Nopers.

This guy is some disabled gink who does NOTHING but sit at his computer compulsively posting at message boards.

His MO is to be the true arbitor of conservatism and to continually express his dismay and disgust at the untermenshen who claim to be conservatives but lack his sheer genius and clarity of thought and morals.

In short he is a professional asshole.

Which is why he has been banned from more political and religious forums than you or I will ever VIST in our lifetimes.




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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2008, 05:39:58 AM »
So what of it?  I ask a simple question and none of you so-called conservatives can give me a simple, straightforward answer.  All you can offer is hostility and belligerence for someone just they might disagree with you.

As I suspected it would be, this board just another left wing/libertarian clique that is a waste of time.


Libertarian?  where?

Chris made a suggestion that you start posting in individual threads to engage members in conversation/debate (which I enjoy doing very much).    If you would rather go the attention-whore-look-at-me route by the once and done OP you made here then you really had no intention on actually debating to begin with.

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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2008, 05:40:50 AM »
Nopers.

This guy is some disabled gink who does NOTHING but sit at his computer compulsively posting at message boards.

What does that mean exactly?

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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2008, 08:28:43 AM »
Libertarian?  where?


There's actually quite a few on this board
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2008, 10:04:29 AM »
What does that mean exactly?

I mean he is disabled and apparantly never leaves his house since he spends so much time on the interwebs telling us all what bleeding heart commies we are... Hence the defining of his personality as a gink.




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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2008, 11:35:25 AM »
OK, I'll bite...but only 1 bite at a time; not that laundry list of

We've been asked what is inherently "conservative" about low taxes and what is "liberal" about high taxes.

As far as tax rates are concerned the terms onservative and liberal are just labels and the marinal tax rate is a symptom of a the philosophical principles behind each label. I'm not going to discuss the etymology.

But tax rates are a symptom of the intents of each movement.

As a conservative I believe government as a collective effort to protect each individual. No man wants his home robbed or his lands invaded so we pool our communal resources to give ourselves police officers and soldiers. Of course humans are inexhaustably complex and society tends to take on the image of its creators. Police officers are soon accompanied by judges, jailers...and politicians to decide what constitutes the laws that are guarded by the police, judges and jailers. The soldier is soon joined by sailors, generals and--sigh--defense contractors.

Yet for all this complexity the idea is a minimalist one. These institutions are maintained only because they are the least amount needed to secure the greatest individual liberty. The man that an close up his shop after a fair day's business to return to his home to kiss his wife and children as he puts his feet up before the fire is the happiest man and all the accoutriments of government serve no functions except to ensure  that man remains unmolested.

For him to remain unmolested he must give-up a portion of his shop's daily receipts in the form of taxes to maintain the officers and soldiers that keep him and his family and property safe. But the government is not some alien benefactor, it is an extension of that man because as a man of rights he has a voice in that government. He may use his voice to add weight to the debates about how many soldiers should be levied, how much they shall be paid, how they shall be equipped and most importantly of all when they shall fight in his name.

Still, the police and soldiers are there to defend his well-being and as such it defeats his purpose to make them tyrants or consumers of that well-being. As a natural outgrowth he keeps them well-provisioned to defend him but limits their numbers,wages and duties, choosing instead to reserve the greater share of responsibilities to himself.

Hence the low tax rates.

From what I observe of liberalism...

...I shall be charitable and say it is based on the desire to do the most good for the most people and it takes no embarrassment at the idea of using government not to protect but to provide. One poor man seems to impoverish us all so all must be clothed, housed, educated, fed and comforted not through personal efforts but through the contributions of the greater whole to each individual. They end to cite historic abuses--both real and imagined--to accumulate as many repsonsibilities as possible to their chosen appartus. If inequalities in education can be demonstrated in any place at any time than all educational institutions must be taken under wing. Each new inequality reported entails a broader expansion of the effort to regulate and distribute the goods and services of the presumed offending institution.

Hence the higher tax rates.

What are the good and ill of each ideal? That's another discussion.
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2008, 06:24:03 PM »
asdf, let's be careful of the stereotyping. I'm one of those "disabled ginks".....  ;)
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2008, 06:40:23 PM »
asdf, let's be careful of the stereotyping. I'm one of those "disabled ginks".....  ;)

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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2008, 07:46:07 PM »
asdf, let's be careful of the stereotyping. I'm one of those "disabled ginks".....  ;)

Since when did being an ex-Squid amount to being a disability?  :fuelfire:
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2008, 08:06:49 PM »
Since when did being an ex-Squid amount to being a disability?  :fuelfire:

When hasn't it?
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2008, 08:55:51 PM »
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas, 1944

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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2008, 09:36:32 PM »
Just get real PC and call him a "Gink who happens to be differently-abled."

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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2008, 12:32:26 AM »
asdf, let's be careful of the stereotyping. I'm one of those "disabled ginks".....  ;)

I was merely observing that he was disabled and calling him a gink.

Perhaps I could have phrased that better by calling him a disabled person who is also an intellectual primadonna a-hole.

I will be more careful with my broad brush in the future. :-)
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2008, 06:59:10 AM »
When hasn't it?

Does it burn your ass that we "disabled" make rate at a pace that makes your climb through the ranks look glacial in comparison?  I know a probably STILL E-4 AP who would think so.  Maybe it was my baby-faced good looks when sitting in the Top 4 Club at Hickham which made him jealous and had him threaten to throw me out of the "wrong" club until I showed him my ID (I had just made E-6 in 6 years).

Oh, and TRG--three days and he still hasn't answered your question.  I think that's one more bit of confirmation of his trolling.  Good catch.
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2008, 08:07:55 AM »
Does it burn your ass that we "disabled" make rate at a pace that makes your climb through the ranks look glacial in comparison?  I know a probably STILL E-4 AP who would think so.  Maybe it was my baby-faced good looks when sitting in the Top 4 Club at Hickham which made him jealous and had him threaten to throw me out of the "wrong" club until I showed him my ID (I had just made E-6 in 6 years).

Oh, and TRG--three days and he still hasn't answered your question.  I think that's one more bit of confirmation of his trolling.  Good catch.

Not at all.  Because rank actually has responsibility in the AF before you hit E7.
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2008, 08:22:44 AM »
Not at all.  Because rank actually has responsibility in the AF before you hit E7.

I'll be sure to tell that 21-year old E-4 responsible for a BILLION dollars worth of nuclear reactor plant that he doesn't have any responsibility.
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2008, 09:22:44 AM »
See?  This is why we can't have nice things!




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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2008, 10:25:17 AM »

Oh, and TRG--three days and he still hasn't answered your question.  I think that's one more bit of confirmation of his trolling.  Good catch.

Thanks.  He just comes off as that type.  The kind that think Reagan wasn't a conservative.  I just wanted to see if he had the guts to answer truthfully or whether he'd tap dance around it.
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Re: Purpose of conservatism
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2008, 10:41:15 AM »
See?  This is why we can't have nice things!

Thats what happens when you let Sailors in the house.  You shoulda seen the stains they left on my carpet in my last home.   :fuelfire:

(while I am just joking around, I'm serious, you should see the stains a bunch of Sailors left on the carpets of my last home.)
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