https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210504666Oh my.
MineralMan (106,294 posts) Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:09 AM
The Starbuck's restroom policy sucks. Here's why it exists, though.
In most cities, public toilet facilities are few and far between. Often there is not one near where a person might have need of one. This is the source of a number of problems, since human animals need places to carry out their excretory functions.
Those humans include people who do not have the means to make a purchase in a private business. In most cities, such people are forced to do what they must do, wherever they must do them. That means a wall in an alley or any other place.
Businesses, in order to serve their customers, often have public restrooms available for those customers. That presents a problem for them, since there is a cost to providing those facilities, and their maintenance in a reasonable state of cleanliness. So, many businesses, rightly or wrongly, reserve the facilities for actual customers. Restaurants, bars, and other places where food or drink is served are required to have restrooms.
The real fault in all of this is the failure of cities to provide and maintain public restrooms that are conveniently located in places where people are. Most cities have few such facilities, typically in parks and public buildings. The cost of maintaining them is high, and they sometimes become a nuisance, when used for other reason.
Cities should make it easy for people to find places where they can relieve themselves. They do not. That leads to people attempting to use whatever facilities exist. Those are usually located in businesses.
This is a social justice issue. We fail badly at this particular, and essential service. Very badly.
People have to go. They need places to go. Businesses should not be required to fill that public need. Our cities should. That they do not is a public service failure.
That said, businesses that have public restrooms should not discriminate in their use. Their policies should be universal. Often, that is not the case. That is a social justice failure on their parts.
Well, Minnesota Moses appears to understand something many people don't; maintainence of sanitary facilities cost money, and somebody somewhere sometime has got to pay for them.
Last I checked, there is no constitutional right to use a restroom. If one's provided, fine, great, wonderful, but if one's not provided, tough shit.
Ferrets are Cool (1,893 posts) Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:18 AM
1. Mobile Alabama, a city of 200K people, where I reside....
has NO public restroom facilities. (as far as I can determine)
I would hazard a guess that "most" US cities are just like Mobile in this respect. Honestly, it is disgraceful.
It may be different now, as this was many years ago when I was in Harvard Square in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I disremember why, but I needed to empty the bladders (usually I take care of such things before leaving home) and I wasn't keen on being a customer at one of the food joints in the neighborhood (I think because their prices were too high), which would allow me to use their facilities.
Okay, so Harvard Square's a pretty major public area, long-established, famous, well-trod, and all that, probably hundreds of thousands (I really don't know) of the public passing through every day.
The city of Cambridge is known for its, uh, liberal tendencies, which includes providement of goods and services for people who have not the means to pay for them.
As I said, it may be different now, but at the time--the late 1980s--there was exactly one public restroom in all of Harvard Square.
One. And it was the size of a closet, with a commode and nothing else in it. One walked up two flights of stairs to get to it.
Now, people in Massachusetts tend to arrogantly suppose those of us who live in flyover country are uncouth savages and barbarians, but I can guarantee that any visitor to any part of Nebraska, urban or rural, will have no problem finding a public restroom quickly, and one that's convenient and clean.
I dunno where people in Massachusetts get such strange--and wrong--ideas.
Rorey (828 posts) Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:37 AM
10. It stinks.
Literally.
We went to NYC last year and I was appalled. I mean, I can see that a business wouldn't want to fund a restroom for non-customers, but a lot don't even provide one for customers. We stopped in for lunch at a nice little place and I couldn't even wash my hands before eating. Fortunately I always have some hand wipes in my purse.
We were shopping in Hard Rock and my daughter-in-law thought she'd use the restroom there. There were actually security guards by the restroom doors.
The stench is enough to keep me from wanting to visit NYC often. I do want to go back and take in a Colbert show one of these days, but we'll see. I did learn that if you look for places that somewhat cater to children (like the M&M store) there are restrooms. There are long lines, and they were messy, but it was better than nothing.
***typical for a congested corruption-ridden blue city in a blue state.