Why I'm NOT interested in "listening" or "understanding" MAGA

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AStern (244 posts)

Why I'm NOT interested in "listening" or "understanding" MAGA

I often hear calls for "listening" to different perspectives, and in many areas of life, I absolutely agree. Dialogue matters. But I want to be clear about something: I'm not interested in "listening" to MAGA supporters—not because I fear different opinions, but because I’ve heard the message loud and clear.

I'm not going to pretend that homophobia, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, cruelty, or the open desire for revenge are just "political differences." They're not. They’re expressions of hate and dehumanization, and no amount of debate will turn that into something respectable or valid.

This isn't about being closed-minded. It's about protecting my energy and drawing a line between what’s a difference in opinion and what’s a difference in morality. Some ideas don’t deserve a platform. And I don’t owe anyone my time or empathy when their worldview denies the humanity of others.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220293341

Project much new DUmmie?

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AStern (244 posts)

Why I'm NOT interested in "listening" or "understanding" MAGA

Cause my viewpoints can't hold up to any sort of pushback/scrutiny  /end DUmpmode

This and other conservative spaces frequently share and discuss leftist/democrat/Democrat ideas, statements and actions.  Just cause you NPCs can't reason past what your hivemind tells you to think doesn't mean that's how everyone else is, or should be. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

But we need to give peace a chance with jihadists and communists.

[SVPete]

  , another virtue-signaling LPC Noob posting for DUmp Cred.

I'm not going to pretend that homophobia1, racism2, misogyny3, xenophobia4, cruelty5, or the open desire for revenge6 are just "political differences."

1 Is it news to LPC Noob AStern that at least two senior Trump Administration officials are gays? I doubt that that fact is news here in the Cave.

2 Has LPC Noob AStern seen pictures of Trump's Cabinet members and other senior officials? Notice that antisemitism is not on this list of sins.

3 Has LPC Noob AStern seen pictures of Trump's Cabinet members and other senior officials?

4 Is LPC Noob AStern unaware that at least two senior Trump Administration officials are foreign-born? Including a certain South African Dems and Progs hate (who's the real xenophobe?!)

5 Remind me ... who in the US wants to incarcerate their political opponents in camps, if not DU-grade Progs?

6 Remind me ... who in the US wants to incarcerate their political opponents in camps, if not DU-grade Progs?

That was like shooting fish in a 5-gallon bucket using both barrels of a a 12-gauge shotgun loaded with #4 shot ... very unsporting of me. LPC Noob AStern would be less easily refuted with reality if (s)he bothered to understand those (s)he hates.

[Texacon]

This is funny!

Vinca (51,995 posts)

47. I agree completely. We're being told how we need to listen to the poor MAGAs, but listen to what?

Reply to AStern (Original post)
Mon May 5, 2025, 03:53 PM

Usually if they're speaking, they're calling us names. Screw them. I hope they enjoy everything they lose under Trump.

Let's just stay on that thread for a bit ...

Skittles (163,903 posts)

48. THANK YOU

Reply to AStern (Original post)
Mon May 5, 2025, 04:00 PM

I'm tired of being told I need to "understand" these ****ed up assholes - I understand them all too well which is why I ****ING DESPISE THEM/

Clouds Passing (4,584 posts)

75. This cabal of spoiled rich kids have no sense of reality. They believe they can create a fake world

Reply to love_katz (Reply #73)
Tue May 6, 2025, 09:57 AM

where only they are master. They truly are delusional.

Orrex (65,107 posts)

68. Never in my life have I heard serious calls for the Right to listen to the Left

Reply to AStern (Original post)
Mon May 5, 2025, 11:21 PM

It is always the other way around, 100% of the time.

**** that.

They deride empathy, they mock our attempts to understand, and they shit on our efforts to reach out to them.

**** that and **** every last one of them. Let them lose their homes and die starving in the streets, begging for the blood pressure medication and whatever else their vote has cost them.

**** them. **** all of them.

**** all of them forever.

Basso8vb (912 posts)

2. I care not for what nazis think.

no_hypocrisy (51,414 posts)

3. It's akin to not listening to narcissists try to

Reply to AStern (Original post)
Mon May 5, 2025, 11:49 AM

justify themselves. Nothing constructive.

Aristus (69,847 posts)

4. Same here.

Reply to AStern (Original post)
Mon May 5, 2025, 11:50 AM

I'm sick of all the ostensibly well-intentioned calls for us to "reach out" to the MAGAs. Try to see things from their perspective, and understand why they believe what they believe.

It's horseshit. They believe they're superior to everybody else because they were born with white skin; no other reason. Intellect means nothing to them. Reason and logic mean nothing to them. Genuine excellence and accomplishment mean nothing to them. Empathy not only means nothing to them, they're actively being told that empathy is wrong, it's bad, and it what motivates the people they hate so much (that part at least, is true.)

I don't need to "understand and sympathize" with the MAGAts any more than I need to try to reason with a coked up chimpanzee. I'm tired of people telling me I should.

AllyCat (17,877 posts)

72. I just don't think they will awaken. It is the nature of a cult.

Reply to blueseas (Reply #63)
Tue May 6, 2025, 06:05 AM

They will blame any Dem, past or present, but never their orange lord.

kentuck (113,685 posts)

11. In hindsight, "Deplorables" sounds like such a charitable nickname.

Reply to AStern (Original post)
Mon May 5, 2025, 12:35 PM

They are much worse than "deplorable".

hadEnuf (3,169 posts)

18. MAGA is nothing of substance.

Reply to AStern (Original post)
Mon May 5, 2025, 12:56 PM

It's a haven for bigots, haters, screwballs, Nazis and all of their ilk and garden variety assholes. It's like an x-rated cartoon.

Nothing that comes out of MAGA even resembles a valid political opinion. It's simply anarchy.

That isn't even all that is on ONE thread.   

KC

[CollectivismMustDie]

Empathy not only means nothing to them, they're actively being told that empathy is wrong, it's bad, and it what motivates the people they hate so much (that part at least, is true.)

We recognise that like just about everything else, 'empathy' has been weaponized. Thats WHY it motivates you clowns.

Blame yourselves for that, rather than blaming we who have noticed it and acted accordingly.

[BannedFromDU]

     I used to get irritated by that stuff until I remembered that these are miserable shut-ins who just want their SSI checks to cash. The only time anyone sees them is when they wander around grocery stores, mumbling imaginary scenarios under their breath.

[SVPete]

Vinca (51,995 posts)
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Usually if they're speaking, they're calling us names. Screw them. I hope they enjoy everything they lose under Trump.

1. How many tens of thousands, literally, of times have DUpipo referred to Rs as "Rethuglicans" (or similar) and Nazis and to Trump-supporters as "MAGAts".

2. How many times have DUpipo equated Bush, and later, Trump with Hitler?

3. How many times has Vinca done some or all of these? I might need smelling salts if Vinca never has.

[Ralph Wiggum]

1. How many tens of thousands, literally, of times have DUpipo referred to Rs as "Rethuglicans" (or similar) and Nazis and to Trump-supporters as "MAGAts".

2. How many times have DUpipo equated Bush, and later, Trump with Hitler?

3. How many times has Vinca done some or all of these? I might need smelling salts if Vinca never has.

Like clockwork, the lefties always go back to the same blather. No matter whom replaces President Trump on January 20, 2029 will be even "worse than Trump or Hitler combined". That is a "bankable" prediction.

[ADsOutburst]

I don't ask you to understand MAGA or any person. It's not family counseling. But understand this: If your party wants to be in power again (and they do), they need to come up with something better than what they've been offering.

[RonE]

AStern (244 posts)

Why I'm NOT interested in "listening" or "understanding" MAGA

I have no choice but to believe you people thrive on self-imposed ignorance. As a group you seem to accept that regularly watching The View gives you all the information required to fully understand any and all problems in this country. This level of stupidity can't be reasoned with.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Why I am not interested in listening to

Rapists
Murderers
Thieves
Illegal immigrants
Etc etc etc

Oh. Wait. I need due process to rule out false accusations.

[Airwolf]

So much for the tolerant and coexisting crowd on DU.

[DLR Pyro]

Basso8vb (912 posts)

2. I care not for what nazis think.

Godwin's Law

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To be fair, maybe I don’t want to understand the left in its current form either. They have shown themselves to be certifiably insane, that they want the country to fail as long as their opposition is in charge, and that they are content to be ruled by a bunch of bureaucrats and have their opinions assigned to them by mainstream media (the propaganda arm of those bureaucrats).