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nadin in Poway
« on: September 03, 2011, 10:42:19 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1872470

Oh my.

Wherever "Poway"'s at; I never heard of it.

The closest I've ever heard of "Poway" was the famous Norfolk & Western Railway passenger train, the Powhatan Arrow, but I don't think that's close enough.

nadin needs to learn to become more geographic-specific; San Diego's not the whole world, and everybody in the whole world doesn't know about San Diego.

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"Unions are Evil..." Outside of local target in Poway...

They are trying to gather signatures to get rid of the pension system for the police and fire in this city.

On the way out... me... "UNIONS ARE SO EVIL that this is why you got an eight hour day and weekends."

Signature gatherer said nothing...

Fact is, he is getting paid 3-6 bucks a signature...

Fact is we have our own version of Walker here.

Fact is they need to be confronted... silence means you agree with them.

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1. I've been seeing them off and on for the past couple months -

I told one flat out - Forcing new employees to participate in a 401K was the deal breaker for the whole petition for me.

Re-negotiating a bad pension plan set up to be a sweetheart deal so the union leaders would support a "business friendly" mayor and city council who was intent on screwing the taxpayers and the city workers anyway would be far more fair than forcing new city employees to have to depend on Social Security when they retire because what would be in the average 401K when they retired would be about 1/4 of what would be in a normal, fair pension plan.

"OOOh, lookie - the newly retired Head Librarian of the city (who came from the private sector as a high ranking consultant ten years prior to begin with) is making $120K a year on her pension...how unfair" ...Even though 80% of the library workers - who have been working for the City for over 30 years - might be eligible for $15 - $25K a year on their pensions, and be lucky to be allowed to participate in some of the HMO plan as part of their retirement medical supplemental plans...

Put the new city workers on a managed 401K set up - and cut their wages some more, and they'd be lucky to have basically what they put into the program when they get ready to pull it out - mainly because the average worker does not make enough and is not a financial guru who actively "manages" their pay and retirement so they can regularly put up to 20% of their salary in their retirement (like my department head making into six figures can), and will probably have to have borrowed from their 401K if they have a family emergency or a run of bad luck just to keep afloat. Most people I know think of their 401Ks and Roth accounts emergency savings accounts, and when we were looking at home loans earlier this year, that was one of the first questions we were asked - do you have a 401K account and how much is in it?

What they did in the 90's was unwise and borderline illegal, but changing the system that radically will hurt the city in terms of quality of the workplace. It's bad enough that a city job is one of the few stable jobs in this city, but they're driving the workforce into a race to the bottom.

And if you take away the retirement benefits and the job stability, you're not going to keep any sort of quality workers at the wages they are being paid now.

Are we getting "quality workers" at the wages they're being paid now?

Anybody know?

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2. I sometimes wish we were evil.

Maybe we'd be scarier. Something you wouldn't want to mess with...
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2011, 10:48:06 PM »
Oh NOES!!! Not Poway!!! :overreaction:
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2011, 10:50:47 PM »
Could be like a po'boy, you know how well know-it-all nadin spells, but I think it's a suburb of San Diego.

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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2011, 10:52:20 PM »
Oh NOES!!! Not Poway!!! :overreaction:
 :panic: :panic:
We are truely lost!!1!111 (to the tenth power)

Well, damn it, I had to nadin it.

It's a town in southern California, population circa 48,000.

nadin's no good as a writer--a good writer writes so that the reader doesn't have to look things up.

For example, franksolich would never simply say "Ainsworth."

I'd say "Ainsworth, Nebraska, at the top of the Sandhills on the roof of Nebraska."

Then nobody has to go nadin Ainsworth.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2011, 11:05:56 PM »
 Small town in S. Cal, tells the union to shove it.
Mmmm, sounds about right.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2011, 07:42:58 AM »
If they're paying a 120K pension to the head librarian of city of 50,000 who was only in the system 10 years, then they damned well need to fix something.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2011, 07:56:52 AM »
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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-03-11 11:08 PM
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"Unions are Evil..." Outside of local target in Poway...

They are trying to gather signatures to get rid of the pension system for the police and fire in this city.

On the way out... me... "UNIONS ARE SO EVIL that this is why you got an eight hour day and weekends."

Signature gatherer said nothing...

Fact is, he is getting paid 3-6 bucks a signature...

Fact is we have our own version of Walker here.

Fact is they need to be confronted... silence means you agree with them.


My post from yesterday in the say something nice thread:

Larry Kudlow's radio show this morning had David Malpass on as a guest, he went to a party last night and he said he was talking to a top Democrat and the Democrat told him changes are going to be mad at the NLRB because Democrats are furious about what happened with Boeing in South Carolina and how the Union acted.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2011, 08:47:55 AM »
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Democrats are furious about what happened with Boeing in South Carolina and how the Union acted.


A snake can't help being a snake, the NLRB is a Democrat creature.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2011, 09:38:50 AM »
If they're paying a 120K pension to the head librarian of city of 50,000 who was only in the system 10 years, then they damned well need to fix something.

Why that's only about $2.50 per citizen, per year. That's cheap for a highly skilled libraian...and then you have to pay the next one to retire and then the one that doing the job now etc...soon you're talking real money....shoot'em all now.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2011, 11:31:22 AM »
A snake can't help being a snake, the NLRB is a Democrat creature.

I'm sure the Democrat constituency has no problem with what happened in SC but I'm sure elected Democrats heard an earful from their normal constituents, they looked like fools.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2011, 11:36:37 AM »
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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-03-11 11:08 PM
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They are trying to gather signatures to get rid of the pension system for the police and fire in this city.

Signature gatherer said nothing...

Fact is, he is getting paid 3-6 bucks a signature...
Can you imagine what this guy could make if he had a union?

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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2011, 12:08:54 PM »
How much did ACORN workers make for every signature?
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2011, 02:20:56 PM »
Can you imagine what this guy could make if he had a union?


A lot less, probably...unions hate piece rate payment vice wages, since piece rate rewards employees who work the hardest.  Unions hate to see that happen.

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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2011, 07:10:57 PM »
:rotf:

Sorry.  I saw BannedFromDU's thread before this one.  Now I am just cracking up.  I am so sorry BFDU lives that closely to Nadin.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2011, 07:17:37 PM »
:rotf:

Sorry.  I saw BannedFromDU's thread before this one.  Now I am just cracking up.  I am so sorry BFDU lives that closely to Nadin.


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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2011, 07:18:44 PM »
:rotf:

Sorry.  I saw BannedFromDU's thread before this one.  Now I am just cracking up.  I am so sorry BFDU lives that closely to Nadin.
Hey, don't be sorry. Think how convenient it is for him if he ever has a question about something.

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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2011, 10:01:45 AM »
Anyone who hasn't read the entire DU thread needs to check it out. Nadin is doing some serious bobbing and weaving with a poster named SlimJimmy. SlimJimmy, who I've never heard of, is taking it to her pretty good, but in true nadin fashion she just refuses to quit.

Here are some clips. Not so much of their fight but of her wonderful know-more-than-you attitude.

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nadinbrzezinski   (1000+ posts)             Sun Sep-04-11 06:42 PM
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15. I truly do not blame people for not knowing that
   
We really do not do Labor history any more...

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nadinbrzezinski   (1000+ posts)             Sun Sep-04-11 06:45 PM
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17. Yup... why I am writing this...
   
slowly, but surely... it is a pain to do all this... but it needs to be done. I will probably have it for free download and let the AFL-CIO into it as well

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nadinbrzezinski   (1000+ posts)             Sun Sep-04-11 07:07 PM
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29. Yup them strikes and wild cat strikes
   
had none to do with the gains of labor. It was all the goody folks at corporate... you like Elite History, don't you?

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nadinbrzezinski   (1000+ posts)             Sun Sep-04-11 08:19 PM
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80. WRONG, he made it on UNION PRESSURE
   
once this was done STRIKES stopped for a while... but thanks for playing.

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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2011, 10:29:27 AM »
Anyone who hasn't read the entire DU thread needs to check it out. Nadin is doing some serious bobbing and weaving with a poster named SlimJimmy. SlimJimmy, who I've never heard of, is taking it to her pretty good, but in true nadin fashion she just refuses to quit.

Here are some clips. Not so much of their fight but of her wonderful know-more-than-you attitude.

Thanks for the tip on the nadin vs SlimJimmy dust up.  Highly entertaining.  My favorite exchange:
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nadinbrzezinski   (1000+ posts)             Sun Sep-04-11 08:24 PM
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87. I gave you some BOOKS
   
Rayback History of American Labor is a good start.

The Armies of Labor is a good one too... you can find it in the GOOGLE... lost copyright a while ago.

Of course there are others, but hey... perhaps you could benefit from doing THAT.
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SlimJimmy   (947 posts)             Sun Sep-04-11 11:38 PM
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133. Yeah, I'll bet you know all about Google. (nt)
   
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nadinbrzezinski   (1000+ posts)             Sun Sep-04-11 11:44 PM
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136. Well I did use the google
   
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 11:46 PM by nadinbrzezinski
to order one from Amazon since it is not available in e-form, and also the google to order the other for Nook. I prefer NOOK as a format.

I am actually looking into seeing if I can get my Journals of the American Historical Review in E-Form instead of paper... no, not being ecological... I just don't want the clutter any more. So yes, you could say I used the google... so be it.

Amazon has a lot of these books available, so you can go and find them that way... they also ship USPS, which is a union shop.

Oh and Armies of Labor I have it in both GOOGLE BOOKS and yes, NOOK... the copy originally came from Chicago.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2011, 10:32:43 AM »
DUmmie nadinletters is writing a book on the history of labor?  Likely it will be like many of her posts on DU, nothing but cut and paste from sources she agrees with.

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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2011, 11:58:35 AM »
DUmmie nadinletters is writing a book on the history of labor?  Likely it will be like many of her posts on DU, nothing but cut and paste from sources she agrees with.

It has to be. Every time know-it-all nadin strays even an inch from cut-and-paste, she gets things totally screwed up, e.g. "parenteral", but that's to be encouraged.

Her smothering condescension, combined with her crude, comical misuse of English result in some classic DUmp entertainment.

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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2011, 12:02:26 PM »
Why does Nadin call Google 'the GOOGLE'?  It's really annoying.

I'm going to go on the Twitter and see if she still has me blocked.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2011, 12:08:24 PM »
Still blocked from Nadin's knowledge.  How will she be able to re-tweet me?   :bawl:
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2011, 12:10:27 PM »
How much did ACORN workers make for every signature?

Funny you should mention that.  A few years back, ACORN was gathering signatures to put an initiative on the Santa Monica city ballot to ensure all workers got a "living wage", whatever the hell that meant, but probably upwards of $15/hour with bennies.

Well, strangely enough, ACORN goes to the CA state government and asks for an EXEMPTION TO MINIMUM WAGE LAWS because, as their reasoning went, the couldn't hire enough people to get the signatures they needed.

They don't even recognize their own hypocrisy.
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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2011, 12:17:39 PM »
Still blocked from Nadin's knowledge.  How will she be able to re-tweet me?   :bawl:


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Re: nadin in Poway
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2011, 12:23:18 PM »
Why does Nadin call Google 'the GOOGLE'?  It's really annoying.
I think it has something to do with mexican. They use articles, el and la, I think, with nouns in mexican. Like, "el mulcho", or "la Home Depot parking lot". One hopes she is more fluent when speaking mexican.

But I have no idea why she always confuses "read" with "ready". You'd have to ask Ricky Ricardo.