Teachers are overpaid??? Our district has been frozen at 2008 salary levels whil

[CC27]

demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU!    Mon Feb-21-11 11:02 PM
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Teachers are overpaid??? Our district has been frozen at 2008 salary levels while prices continue
   
to rise.


How is that overpaid???

Don't you have a cruise to catch? I hear the bartender still does not want you.

What's that i hear? Poof? Do a trick and stop talking lady.

proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU!    Mon Feb-21-11 11:22 PM
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7. You're going to be jealous.
   
I got 1% this year.

But I can't share it because our health insurance went up and there went my 1%. Poof!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x477821

[Ralph Wiggum]

Wow, DUmmy "royalty" in the same thread! 

[BEG]

Welcome to the real world bitches.

[Ralph Wiggum]

proud2BlibKansan(1000+ posts) Mon Feb-21-11 11:22 PM
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7. You're going to be jealous.
   
I got 1% this year.

But I can't share it because our health insurance went up and there went my 1%. Poof!

If there were any justice in the world, you'd be "rooming" with Bobo in the Buick.  You too Greenbriar.

[CC27]

If there were any justice in the world, you'd be "rooming" with Bobo in the Buick.  You too Greenbriar.

I heard its a park ave so there is enough room.

[jukin]

Teacher's pay needs to be multiplied by 1.33 (12/9) for a normalized salary.

Where the teachers and public sector people really make out is in retirement. They retire at their highest wage which in effect makes them defacto millionaires. 25 years on the job and 25 years on retirement means they are making approximately double their wage.

[thundley4]

Teacher's pay needs to be multiplied by 1.33 (12/9) for a normalized salary.

Where the teachers and public sector people really make out is in retirement. They retire at their highest wage which in effect makes them defacto millionaires. 25 years on the job and 25 years on retirement means they are making approximately double their wage.

Often teachers and other public union employees cash out sick days and vacation days in their last year which inflates their pay for that year.

[Ralph Wiggum]

As to not sound insensitive to teachers, let me back up a minute.

The former Mrs. Wiggum is a teacher.  Not a union teacher, as she's worked for private schools in IL (and other states now) over the past 15 years.  Teachers for the most part are underpaid, especially considering many are required to have a Masters Degree to even apply for a position, as she does.

Private school teachers are usually paid less than public school counterparts, even with their advanced education.  And they work their butts off.  It's not even just for 9 months out of the year, more like 10 1/2.  After dealing with a classroom of 25 kids for that many months, I think they deserve a month & a half off.

Additionally, many don't work anything like an easy day.  10-12 hours is relatively normal.  And that doesn't even count the additional work done from home.

[TexasCop]

Teacher's pay needs to be multiplied by 1.33 (12/9) for a normalized salary.

Where the teachers and public sector people really make out is in retirement. They retire at their highest wage which in effect makes them defacto millionaires. 25 years on the job and 25 years on retirement means they are making approximately double their wage.

We pay into it, though.  And our percentage rates are frozen.  We don't benefit when the stock market is humming along.

[DumbAss Tanker]

demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU!    Mon Feb-21-11 11:02 PM
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Teachers are overpaid??? Our district has been frozen at 2008 salary levels while prices continue
   
to rise.


How is that overpaid???

Well, perhaps you were already ridiculously overpaid in 2008...?

[Tantal]

We pay into it, though.  And our percentage rates are frozen.

We do 7% and the city kicks in 14%. Sounds lucrative, but it's pretty much the same as the private sector in terms of what it costs the city. All private employers have to pay Social Security (7%) and most have a 401K match of up to 6 or 7%. We opt out of SS and don't have a 401K, so it's pretty much even. Also, I haven't had a raise since 2007 or 2008 (it's been so long I forget) and our share of the health care keeps going up. Unlike DUmmies, I realize that the citizens of my city have it just as hard (or harder) than I do, so I'm not about to demand that they pony up even more in taxes.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Well, perhaps you were already ridiculously overpaid in 2008...?

That bitch has been overpaid and unqualified since she was cleaning the deep-fryer at McD's.

[TexasCop]

We do 7% and the city kicks in 14%. Sounds lucrative, but it's pretty much the same as the private sector in terms of what it costs the city. All private employers have to pay Social Security (7%) and most have a 401K match of up to 6 or 7%. We opt out of SS and don't have a 401K, so it's pretty much even. Also, I haven't had a raise since 2007 or 2008 (it's been so long I forget) and our share of the health care keeps going up. Unlike DUmmies, I realize that the citizens of my city have it just as hard (or harder) than I do, so I'm not about to demand that they pony up even more in taxes.

Ours is 2:1, too.  They were talking about going down to 1:1.  A rep from the Texas Municipal Retirement System came in to show our council that we are NOT retiring as millionaires, so they left it alone....thankfully.  I'm in the same boat.  No raise for the past 2 years.  For 5 years before that, we'd get 2 or 3% raises, but our healthcare would go up 15%.  I'm making less now than I did 7 years ago, even with our COLA bumps. 

[BEG]

How many taxpayers does it take to pay for one public union workers salary, insurance and retirement?

[TexasCop]

How many taxpayers does it take to pay for one public union workers salary, insurance and retirement?

Very few, considering most government entities get the bulk of their tax funds from corporations.  Yes, you're paying taxes, but what you pay pales in comparison to what your employer is paying.

In the municipality where I work, I believe that only 20% of the city's taxes come from the residents.  A full 80% of the city's income comes from the businesses.

[thundley4]

Very few, considering most government entities get the bulk of their tax funds from corporations.  Yes, you're paying taxes, but what you pay pales in comparison to what your employer is paying.

In the municipality where I work, I believe that only 20% of the city's taxes come from the residents.  A full 80% of the city's income comes from the businesses.

And businesses pass those taxes on to consumers, right?

[TexasCop]

And businesses pass those taxes on to consumers, right?

Of course, but you could twist anything into being tied into taxes.

[Wineslob]

This will make your blood boil:

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/California_state_government_salary#


And these people have the gall to call themselves public servants.

Even in a lower income county (Butte, where I live) the average Teacher makes MORE than the median income family.  

Median Family Income in 2000: $33,793
Per-Capita Income in 2000: $14,386

TeacherPortal Salary Rank: 44th

Starting Salary: $35,760
Average Salary:  $59,825

Source:     http://teacherportal.com/district/california/oroville-union-high

[Airwolf]

I haven't had a pay raise in 3-4 years and when I got my last pay raise it was all of. 25 per hour. Sorry but I haven't made more then 18K a year and I'm tired of these union assholes crying about how hard they have it.

[TexasCop]

Wineslob, those are very misleading because of the flaws in how the MFI is calculated.  
 
The MFI where I work is $38k.  What's funny is that we only have a relatively small area for the middle class.  The wealthy and upper middle class far outnumber them here and I promise you they make far more than $38k per household.

[TVDOC]

Of course, but you could twist anything into being tied into taxes.

Actually no TC....the point is that the taxpayers are paying for municipal employees salaries and benefits whether the revenue is derived from direct taxes, or indirectly through corporate and business taxes that effectively increase the cost of goods and services that we all buy.  There comes a point (and we are well past it in the US) where additional government spending, whether on employees and benefits or entitlement programs, where the taxation required to support that level of government services makes the private sector no longer competitive in the marketplace.

When that happens, companies move their operations to a lower tax location, or outsource them entirely, costing jobs.  When the jobs are lost, the workers either lower their standard of living or they move away (see California, Illinois, and New York)..........when the businesses and population moves away, the tax revenues plummet further, and the need for those well-paid municipal workers diminishes, so they loose THEIR jobs.......

Simple economic cause and effect.

doc

[TexasCop]

Right, but deny that you're paying for the services.  You don't get police, fire and teacher services for free.

[delilahmused]

I just want them to be paid based on merit, not years faithfully paying union dues.

Cindie

[formerlurker]

As to not sound insensitive to teachers, let me back up a minute.

The former Mrs. Wiggum is a teacher.  Not a union teacher, as she's worked for private schools in IL (and other states now) over the past 15 years.  Teachers for the most part are underpaid, especially considering many are required to have a Masters Degree to even apply for a position, as she does.

Private school teachers are usually paid less than public school counterparts, even with their advanced education.  And they work their butts off.  It's not even just for 9 months out of the year, more like 10 1/2.  After dealing with a classroom of 25 kids for that many months, I think they deserve a month & a half off.

Additionally, many don't work anything like an easy day.  10-12 hours is relatively normal.  And that doesn't even count the additional work done from home.

I know so many talented, dedicated and passionate teachers however that is not the norm.   Your wife sounds like a gem though.  I appreciate everything she has done and continues to do in this field.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I know so many talented, dedicated and passionate teachers however that is not the norm.   Your wife sounds like a gem though.  I appreciate everything she has done and continues to do in this field.

Ex-wife, but yeah, she's still a very dedicated teacher.  The good ones don't go into it for the money.