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hootinholler   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jan-04-11 04:54 PM
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A question to ponder...
   
The time machine thread got me wondering, so here's a question I think could be illuminating.

If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be and why?



I'll be back with my choice, I haven't decided yet 
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Ohio Joe   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jan-04-11 05:01 PM
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2. Jesus
   
For world peace.

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badtoworse (193 posts)           Tue Jan-04-11 09:00 PM
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16. Muhammad
   
IMO, Islamic fundamentalism is today's biggest threat to world peace

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Motown_Johnny   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jan-04-11 09:02 PM
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18. you would remove the largest religion in the world because you are afraid?
   
curious

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badtoworse (193 posts)           Tue Jan-04-11 09:58 PM
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34. My choice is based on who's doing what in the world today
   
Fear has nothing to do with it.

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Motown_Johnny   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jan-04-11 10:02 PM
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35. and what wars are Muslims engaged in today
   
other than with us? If you have no answer then clearly eliminating us would be more sensible since there are far more of them.

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badtoworse (193 posts)           Tue Jan-04-11 10:13 PM
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39. Islamic fundamentalists have committed terrorist attacks all over the planet
   
Edited on Tue Jan-04-11 10:21 PM by badtoworse
I might add that in many Muslim countries, the justice system, which is based on religious law, is barbaric. In these same countries, the abuse of women is appalling. Are you OK with women being flogged for wearing slacks?

The OP asked about eliminating a single individual from history, not eliminating billions of Muslims from the world today.

badtoworse must be a freeper troll.

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elehhhhna   (1000+ posts)           Tue Jan-04-11 09:14 PM
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22. whoever was responsible for themost deaths...
   
which could be Charlemagne (most royalty is decended from him, and they started a LOT of wars). So that makes the mind go to Jesus. Mohammed. All the religious figures whose names were used in vain to justify killing the innocents. It's an interesting question. I have no answer. Not yet, anyway.

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bemildred   (1000+ posts)           Tue Jan-04-11 09:23 PM
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26. Genghis Khan, Tamurlane, I mean that is what most of political history IS!
   
Although it is true that the 20th century applied new methods in a most efficient way to the "problem". For sheer numbers, you have to go with Stalin and Mao, but it's not because they were really different.

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40. pol pot was also a piece of work
   

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COLGATE4   (1000+ posts)         Tue Jan-04-11 09:23 PM
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27. Hitler. Think of the countless millions and millions of lives that
   
would have been saved.
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30. Mao or Stalin Think of the countless millions and millions of lives that would have been saved.

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Motown_Johnny   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jan-04-11 10:02 PM
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35. and what wars are Muslims engaged in today
   
other than with us? If you have no answer then clearly eliminating us would be more sensible since there are far more of them.

 :lmao:


Hmmm, Ok. Here we go:

Chechnya
France
Netherlands
Philippines
Iraq
Iran
Afghanistan
England
Spain
Nigeria
Sudan
Somalia
Kenya
Italy
Saudi Arabia
etc.
etc.
etc.
etc.

They're at war with EVERYONE NOT MUSLIM, you Damn morons!
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That's easy.  Robespierre.  Him and his merry little band of misfits (Jacobins) were the original DUmmies.  Robespierre, was in many ways, the original Obama.  A good orator, told the unwashed and uneducated what they wanted to hear.  Opposed the death penalty, unless somebody disagrees with him, then they had to be killed for the good of the state.  Was more than happy to use the power of the state to execute anybody for any reason, evidence or not.  Tried to make society and commerce conform his views rather than conforming his views to the observable world.  A real nice piece of work, all around.   Without him, the Marxists don't come about in their historic form.  

The DUmmies are amusing.  They want to get rid of Jesus' influence?  Do they realize that the Jesus and the Church are responsible for the notions of human rights in the west?  Seriously, without them, the DUmmies would be indentured servants somewhere being made to work.  They should thank God every single day for Jesus and what he brought.
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Looks like a close race at the DUmp between Hitler and Ronald Reagan. I'm surprised Dubya isn't a landslide winner.

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That's easy.  Robespierre.  Him and his merry little band of misfits (Jacobins) were the original DUmmies.  Robespierre, was in many ways, the original Obama.  A good orator, told the unwashed and uneducated what they wanted to hear.  Opposed the death penalty, unless somebody disagrees with him, then they had to be killed for the good of the state.  Was more than happy to use the power of the state to execute anybody for any reason, evidence or not.  Tried to make society and commerce conform his views rather than conforming his views to the observable world.  A real nice piece of work, all around.   Without him, the Marxists don't come about in their historic form.  

The DUmmies are amusing.  They want to get rid of Jesus' influence?  Do they realize that the Jesus and the Church are responsible for the notions of human rights in the west?  Seriously, without them, the DUmmies would be indentured servants somewhere being made to work.  They should thank God every single day for Jesus and what he brought.

Good one; I was also thinking of Karl Marx (which still left Engels alive), but then you mention Robespierre.

Gotta love the whining about Jesus. As if no one has ever killed anyone else before Jesus came and invented war. Indeed, leftists have no concept that Christianity is the sole reason why the West has the high and well-honed understanding of morality that it does. Two thousand years of Christianity have given us a deep-seated sense of right and wrong, speaking to the natural sense of morality God inscribed on the human conscience, and excelled in this to a degree absolutely no other religion or philosophy has ever managed to equal or surpass.

As always - stupid Democrats.

Also, I'm surprised Dubya isn't the landslide winner, too. From the last few years of his presidency, you'd have thought that the Left has hated no one else ever and will hate no one else after Bush leaves office.


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16. Muhammad
 IMO, Islamic fundamentalism is today's biggest threat to world peace


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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2011, 03:50:35 AM »
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Motown_Johnny   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jan-04-11 10:02 PM
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35. and what wars are Muslims engaged in today
   
other than with us? If you have no answer then clearly eliminating us would be more sensible since there are far more of them.


**** you...you worthless POS.  A certain sector of the Muslim world is engaged in a war with ANYONE that isn't of their belief system?

Do you honestly ****ing think that kissing their ass will somehow appease them?

Who are the Muslims engaged in war with?  Infadel asshats like you.  Only you're head is jammed too far up your politically correct libtard fourth point of contact to realize it.

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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 09:27:33 AM »
Also, anybody Hindu.  Sweetie-pie Muslims will consider Christians to be the "People of the Book," which old Mo said were OK (as long as they paid up the Jizzyah).  Hindus fair game.  "Hindu Kush" means "The Slaughter of the Hindus." 

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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 09:50:51 AM »
Hard not to go with Hitler, but Mohammed is certainly a huge contender and Stalin isn't far behind the two of them.  Stalin was every bit as  bloodthirsty as Hitler if not moreso.  I would hesitate to say that Marx, Mao, or Stalin were unique actors whose removal would have changed anything, though, they all had equally-horrid or dangerous cohorts who could well have gotten their own societies to the same place.  For instance, the USSR under Lavrentiy Berya would actually have been even more horrible than under Stalin. 
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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 10:01:01 AM »
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35. and what wars are Muslims engaged in today
   
other than with us? If you have no answer then clearly eliminating us would be more sensible since there are far more of them.

Let's narrow this down:

QUESTION: Which nation with a prominent Muslim population does NOT have an issue with terrorism and civil war?

ANSWER: It's a trick question, there isn't one.
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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 10:16:38 AM »
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22. whoever was responsible for themost deaths...
   
which could be Charlemagne (most royalty is decended from him, and they started a LOT of wars). So that makes the mind go to Jesus. Mohammed. All the religious figures whose names were used in vain to justify killing the innocents. It's an interesting question. I have no answer. Not yet, anyway.
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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 10:28:53 AM »
I hope that everyone realizes that going back in time alone would change things beyond just what You might try and accomplish removing a historical figure.  You could end up being the cause for letting an even worse person to do where a Butler or a Mao failed to do.
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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 10:58:22 AM »
I hope that everyone realizes that going back in time alone would change things beyond just what You might try and accomplish removing a historical figure.  You could end up being the cause for letting an even worse person to do where a Butler or a Mao failed to do.

Yep...especially in the political sphere.  Transformative religious figures might be another story, but who knows what would've happened in their absence.   
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 11:31:10 AM »
Yep...especially in the political sphere.  Transformative religious figures might be another story, but who knows what would've happened in their absence.   

Always better to look on the bright side. Maybe we wouldn't have to listen to DUmmies runnin' their mouths about shit they know nothing about if we got rid of a key figure on their side, like Fidel or Che! No wait, how 'bout Hugo??? Yeah that's the ticket! What would a primitive do without their savior of the 21st century?

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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2011, 11:35:18 AM »
Al, Jesus may have said 'The poor we will always have with us,' but he could just as easily and correctly have said 'The stupid mofos we will always have with us.'  No matter who you take out, there will always be plenty of dumbshits left in the world to establish and fill the ranks of places like DU. 
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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 11:41:21 AM »
Al, Jesus may have said 'The poor we will always have with us,' but he could just as easily and correctly have said 'The stupid mofos we will always have with us.'  No matter who you take out, there will always be plenty of dumbshits left in the world to establish and fill the ranks of places like DU. 


 :lmao: sorry, know it's not a funny topic, but that comment made me laugh.

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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2011, 12:01:46 PM »

 :lmao: sorry, know it's not a funny topic, but that comment made me laugh.



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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2011, 12:06:23 PM »
Cortez's,----Cotton Mathers, John Wilkes Booth,   take your pick.

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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2011, 12:29:03 PM »
:lmao:

Hmmm, Ok. Here we go:

Chechnya
France
Netherlands
Philippines
Iraq
Iran
Afghanistan
England
Spain
Nigeria
Sudan
Somalia
Kenya
Italy
Saudi Arabia
etc.
etc.
etc.
etc.

They're at war with EVERYONE NOT MUSLIM, you Damn morons!

Thank You! I know there was a statistic a few years ago and it was said at the time that there were 26 wars going on in the world and either 25 or all 26 involved Muslims.
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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2011, 12:42:16 PM »
:lmao:

They're at war with EVERYONE NOT MUSLIM, you Damn morons!

and it should be noted, they have been for 3 centuries or close to it!

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Re: If it was in your power to remove one person from history, who would it be
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2011, 12:53:11 PM »
They're at war with EVERYONE NOT MUSLIM, you Damn morons!

You forgot, that the different sects of Muslims have been at war with each other also.